Canada: A nation of bigots

Jul 18, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Canada.com

One day, Brian made a mistake at work, not a big mistake but a mistake. An onlooking colleague turned to another colleague and remarked that Brian was a "typical dumb-ass American." Another colleague asked him, "Is that the way you do it where you come from?" This was one of many incidents that made Brian wonder what he had let himself in for by ...

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Canada is a nation of bigot. This is due to the fact that the only form of racism is black against white. We accept people from other countries and their bigotry and hatred for other people. Blacks hate whites, Japanese hate Chinese, Muslims hate Jews, Hindis hate Muslims, etc.

We are to politically correct to teach them otherwise during the immigration process....so it continues. And when the toronto star comes out with the rasicm story of the year..all people relate to is white vs black rasicm.
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Canada had thousands of if not hundreds of thousands of people leave Quebec because of the political ethic cleansing that came in the form of bill 101. The federal government did nothing to stop it and in my opinion encouraged it. After that happened I honestly believe that any kind bigotry can exist in Canada.
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Those who would spout off anti-American comments have obviously never spent too much time in the USA. You can't equate American politics with the American people, just as you can't sum up all Canadians based on the actions of the government in power at the time. My experience after extensive travels throughout the U.S. is that the majority of Americans I encountered were hospitable, caring and friendly to a fault. There are exceptions, of course, but you get that anywhere. But, then again, you can't reason with ignorant bigots, can you?
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We don't mind immigrants as long as they adapt and assimilate.
Learn english and obey our laws and you will have a good life.
Create ethnic ghettos and snub our laws and you should be sent back.
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Truth Hurts wrote:
We don't mind immigrants as long as they adapt and assimilate.
Learn english and obey our laws and you will have a good life.
Create ethnic ghettos and snub our laws and you should be sent back.
Gee, that's the way we feel about America. Why do we have to press 1 for English? One of my friends is a German who came here 30 years ago, learned the language, got a job and her citizenship. If I move to France, guess what? I'll learn French and French customs and try to fit in, not create a 'French-American' sub-class that expects all kinds of special privileges. When you move to someone else's home, learn their customs and languages, respect them and try to adapt.
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Truth Hurts wrote:
We don't mind immigrants as long as they adapt and assimilate.
Learn english and obey our laws and you will have a good life.
Create ethnic ghettos and snub our laws and you should be sent back.
AMEN to THAT!
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Just a reminder: None of us, as far as I know, has chosen our parents, nor where we would be born, and therefore nobody should get punished nor otherwise disadvantaged because they have the "wrong" parents or were born in a "wrong" place.
..... After we were born all sorts of customs and beliefs were "drummed into us", These are parts of the culture of our parents and/or teachers, and therefore our culture, and they are probably essential and right for the locality we are in at that time.
..... But if we move somewhere else then these may be all wrong there!

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People find reasons to plug themselves up in their own little hole, no matter where you live. My Aunt lives spends the holidays in the US and drives down, and she does the speed limit so that ticks off American drivers as they pass her looking her with nasty faces. Last year, she got US plates... and guess what. Nobody cared that she was driving the speed limit, they just passed like anyone else would. People are people, and we have laws to keep them from beating the crap out each other. Nothing will change.
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I have a sibling who married an American and emigrated there.

Their experience was the exact mirror image of Brian`s and also came as a shock. It was years ago and America is home now but it is always an underlying thing.

I don`t think that children shouldn`t see a movie like Bowling for Columbine in higher grades but the comments associated were private opinions and I do understand the teacher should be more responsible and should have to answer for that.

It won`t be any better for his wife though if they move south.

When you even look at the forums how many times do you see, why Canada sucks, why America should nuke Canada etc.There are a raft of anti Canadian comments.We may not make comments so much about other countries because they don`t do it to us.

Bottom line is that people will find out that Brian is a nice guy and cut him some slack but it may always be an underlying thing. Not fair.
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Truth Hurts wrote:
We don't mind immigrants as long as they adapt and assimilate.
Learn english and obey our laws and you will have a good life.
Create ethnic ghettos and snub our laws and you should be sent back.
Is that your Canadian hospitality talking or your hypocrisy? Why do you think ethnic minorities create ghettos? Because they like to or they are forced to. All Canadians seek for in the job market is connections and connections. In other words, to get a job opportunity you got to have connections, preferably "white connections" , and how are immigrants who are new to Canada supposed to form such connections, when they are left isolated to survive on their own. And having a bigoted Prime Minister like Stevo who thinks poorly of immigrant populations and only serves his conservative constituents are not helping Torontonians in any way. So they are forced to turn to their own-as no man is an island. Bigots, you accuse immigrants of isolating themselves but what are you doing to help ease their transition. Unemployment is at an all time low thanks to the economy, and who do you think it hits the hardest? That's right its immigrants....you do not recognize our academic credentials, harp on minor inconveniences like accent ....when it is beyond the point of our control, blame us for all your social ills because you refuse to work in school and expect everything to be handed to you,all the while when immigrants are breaking their backs for themselves and their families to feed your seniors through taxes. And what do they get in return Canada? Your contempt . Thank you....why should I not be proud of this country?
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Wow.

I appreciate why you feel some of the things that you do. Moreover, I appreciate the fact that you spoke up.

I am sorry there is a percentage of the population that is possibly racist or else just poorly educated.

I lived in Toronto in the early and mid sixties and remember the Polish bearing the brunt of idiots comments. Their parents did grunt work even if they had qualifications. There is always a wave of new comers and they are almost always pushed to the bottom of the ladder when they arrive.I am going to bet that there are few Polish kids from the Parkdale area that haven't made something for themselves.I would also bet that no one has too much to say about Polish people anymore.

I am sorry that it is so hard for you. I lived outside of Canada for awhile and was never so lonely and hungry for people who understood me as I was in those times.

Watch the seniors comments though. Canada is weathering the recession a lot better than many other places and that has something to do with things they passed on. Also, a lot of them are now volunteering to help people to learn to speak English.

Wish you luck and hope that you don't get a steady diet of idiots. You have bitten off a lot but ask other people who came here years ago if they wish they hadn't.Hang in.
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Is that your Canadian hospitality talking or your hypocrisy? Why do you think ethnic minorities create ghettos? Because they like to or they are forced to. All Canadians seek for in the job market is connections and connections. In other words, to get a job opportunity you got to have connections, preferably "white connections" , and how are immigrants who are new to Canada supposed to form such connections, when they are left isolated to survive on their own. And having a bigoted Prime Minister like Stevo who thinks poorly of immigrant populations and only serves his conservative constituents are not helping Torontonians in any way. So they are forced to turn to their own-as no man is an island. Bigots, you accuse immigrants of isolating themselves but what are you doing to help ease their transition. Unemployment is at an all time low thanks to the economy, and who do you think it hits the hardest? That's right its immigrants....you do not recognize our academic credentials, harp on minor inconveniences like accent ....when it is beyond the point of our control, blame us for all your social ills because you refuse to work in school and expect everything to be handed to you,all the while when immigrants are breaking their backs for themselves and their families to feed your seniors through taxes. And what do they get in return Canada? Your contempt . Thank you....why should I not be proud of this country?
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Abbotsford, German background maybe. What do you think your ancestors did, move in with the Anglos, sit at their tables when uninvited,get to work at crafts or skills they have been trained in or worked at for years.

Immigration has always had an objective - to provide a working population so that industry would be attracted to Canada. Earlier it was to open up the land. It has not been an act of generosity on the part of the country. In fact in the old days when the railroad was encouraging immigrants they made wonderful posters that were tacked up in Europe. They were always of beaming, strong people harvesting in the sun or some other such glowing advertisement. They were not allowed to show snow which we have for about half of the year!We paid people to come here for awhile. Then we lent them money to come. We need immigrants. What happens when no one is willing to work in the garment industry or clean the streets.

There are tables that dictate who can come and when. There are periods when it is immigrants that speak the language, have serious financial back up, maybe family here already etc. There are times ( or numbers) when people of lesser means are encouraged.Where would the latter live? Of course a neighbourhood where housing is cheap,possibly substandard, closer to places where work might be, etc. Surprise, other people in the same situation as them are there too. Wow, that takes brains to figure out.

I am pretty sure that your ancestors came from somewhere other than Canada unless you are a native person.
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We don't mind immigrants as long as they adapt and assimilate.
Learn english and obey our laws and you will have a good life.
Create ethnic ghettos and snub our laws and you should be sent back.
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yes, it is tough being an immigrant, especially an immigrant with no voice, especially when the media, politicians and jerks like these have a lot to say about us. Sometimes, we don't even resemble as human beings to some people...many people think that is convenient to speak of relocation, making simple statement such as "go home", not realizing we have exhausted all our financial resources in trying to make Canada our home. But it is to no avail. Neither do they want us with them, and still they find time to complain that they do not want us separate from them either. In other words, if you try to assimilate you are viewed as a phony, and when you try to remain true to your own cultural values, you are viewed as being "non-cooperative' or a 'nuisance'. What is it you people want? If it were not for all the international ads you post abroad enticing foreigners to come and experience opportunity in this land, who do you think would want to be here?
Either way it seems I am heading for a downward spiral these days, but God feeds me. I've only Him to thank for feeding me, because the Lord feeds strangers. I just hope God blesses your day.

And Homer, thanks for the comforting words. Atleast there are a few good souls left on this earth.

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I was actually surprised when I read the article that is the topic of this conversation. I know some people who are strongly anti-American but in each of those cases, it is primarily because of ignorance along with a strong desire not to be enlightened. These few that I know personally represent a very small number of the people I associate with. I was surprised and distressed by the apparent numbers that were insinutated in the article.

As far as our overall treatment of Immigrants in this Country is concerned, I feel there needs to be a major reform from the top, being the Federal Government, down to the grass roots, being we as individuals.

Our Immigration policies don't seem to have any balance or uniform policy. We see undesirables filter through the system while good honest hard working people are deported. We don't seem to make a satisfactory effort to help Immigrants migrate into our society but rather try to change the long standing rules of our Society to conform to theirs. This causes discontent among a good percentage of the population. For example, Sikh's being allowed to carry knives that exceed the length that the average citizen is allowed to carry on their person. Changing our RCMP uniforms and Military uniforms to accomodate the wearing of a turban.

These may seem like petty examples but reverse the situation and have a citizen of any other Country move to a Sikh nation and see if any rules or accomodations will be made for them. Not likely.

When we allow any segment of our population to be treated differently than the majority of the population is treated, it creates the basis for bigotry, prejudice, and resentment.

We have highly trained and qualified professional Immigrants from all Nationalities who are delivering pizzas and other low level employment because we do not assist them in upgrading their qualifications or testing the ones they have to compare them to our National standards. This seems ridiculous to me and a criminal waste of talent that we sorely need.

Our schools need to spend more time teaching about the dynamics of the Multicultural mosiac of our Country to instill an appreciation of the various Nationalities and Customs that form our diverse Society.

We as individuals have to look upon our new Citizens with a little more compassion and understanding, and be willing to learn about our differences as well as our similarities and be more welcoming and tolerant.

Canada is our home and our Immigrants should be treated as any guest we would have in our own house. Welcome them, make them feel comfortable, enjoy their company, but at the same time they must understand that I have rules in my house and as long as they are under my roof they are expected to abide by those rules. It is called mutual respect as any road we travel in life is usually a two-way street.
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I like BC and hope to spend summers there.And, I despise the US corporate government----but, does not Canada have troops in Afghanistan and did not Canada ban George Galloway because he expressed sympathy for a brutalized country and its people?
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I hope that you have had a chance to see what Night Train has to say. His view is what is expected of rational Canadians who have some understanding of the underlying Canadian politics. The ignorant responses are usually people who have had one bad personal experience with an immigrant or are poorly educated. You may e in competition with them for grunt or low respect positions etc.
I am glad that you wrote to forum. I think we all need to be reminded occasionally that not everyone is enjoying the benefit of feeling "at home".
It is a fine line to try and fit in while giving up so much of what was 'normal' at home. Usually places like churches and schools are good places to meet Canadians. If you have free time doing some volunteer work like helping at a food bank, the Human Society, helping seniors would be a great way to rub elbows with Canadians who "think". The other volunteers are open to people and you may find a welcome amongst them.There are always bigots around but fewer in those groups.
It will change for you just the way that it has for the wave after wave of immigrants that have come.
I am glad that you have God but I assure you that bit by bit you will find that you have other supporters here. In spirit there are many of us wishing you well.
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yes, it is tough being an immigrant, especially an immigrant with no voice, especially when the media, politicians and jerks like these have a lot to say about us. Sometimes, we don't even resemble as human beings to some people...many people think that is convenient to speak of relocation, making simple statement such as "go home", not realizing we have exhausted all our financial resources in trying to make Canada our home. But it is to no avail. Neither do they want us with them, and still they find time to complain that they do not want us separate from them either. In other words, if you try to assimilate you are viewed as a phony, and when you try to remain true to your own cultural values, you are viewed as being "non-cooperative' or a 'nuisance'. What is it you people want? If it were not for all the international ads you post abroad enticing foreigners to come and experience opportunity in this land, who do you think would want to be here?
Either way it seems I am heading for a downward spiral these days, but God feeds me. I've only Him to thank for feeding me, because the Lord feeds strangers. I just hope God blesses your day.
And Homer, thanks for the comforting words. Atleast there are a few good souls left on this earth.
Homer

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I probably shouldn't respond to your post because quite honestly I suspect that you took a few short cuts to express your opinion leaving me to wonder what you are saying in part.

You will be as safe as anyone is in coming to Canada, BC for a visit. That is far safer than many other places. If you are an American you will not find it hard to bridge the few cultural differences. You will likely be treated as you would be at home.

Canada has been in Afghanistan in a peace keeping role and it does have to participate in international affairs. My personal belief is that the peace keeping role has gotten stretched and that there needs to be 'climate checks' with that community to see if we are creating more problems than being of help. In which case we should be out.

Was the action against Galloway an act of racism or was it based on considered thought. Does he have to be right because his country has suffered racism?

Canadians do have to make decisions like any other country. We also have to live with them and time/history is, unfortunately the usual gauge as to what it was really about.

Dave wrote:
I like BC and hope to spend summers there.And, I despise the US corporate government----but, does not Canada have troops in Afghanistan and did not Canada ban George Galloway because he expressed sympathy for a brutalized country and its people?
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Night Train wrote:
I was actually surprised when I read the article that is the topic of this conversation. I know some people who are strongly anti-American but in each of those cases, it is primarily because of ignorance along with a strong desire not to be enlightened. These few that I know personally represent a very small number of the people I associate with. I was surprised and distressed by the apparent numbers that were insinutated in the article.
As far as our overall treatment of Immigrants in this Country is concerned, I feel there needs to be a major reform from the top, being the Federal Government, down to the grass roots, being we as individuals.
Our Immigration policies don't seem to have any balance or uniform policy. We see undesirables filter through the system while good honest hard working people are deported. We don't seem to make a satisfactory effort to help Immigrants migrate into our society but rather try to change the long standing rules of our Society to conform to theirs. This causes discontent among a good percentage of the population. For example, Sikh's being allowed to carry knives that exceed the length that the average citizen is allowed to carry on their person. Changing our RCMP uniforms and Military uniforms to accomodate the wearing of a turban.
These may seem like petty examples but reverse the situation and have a citizen of any other Country move to a Sikh nation and see if any rules or accomodations will be made for them. Not likely.
When we allow any segment of our population to be treated differently than the majority of the population is treated, it creates the basis for bigotry, prejudice, and resentment.
We have highly trained and qualified professional Immigrants from all Nationalities who are delivering pizzas and other low level employment because we do not assist them in upgrading their qualifications or testing the ones they have to compare them to our National standards. This seems ridiculous to me and a criminal waste of talent that we sorely need.
Our schools need to spend more time teaching about the dynamics of the Multicultural mosiac of our Country to instill an appreciation of the various Nationalities and Customs that form our diverse Society.
We as individuals have to look upon our new Citizens with a little more compassion and understanding, and be willing to learn about our differences as well as our similarities and be more welcoming and tolerant.
Canada is our home and our Immigrants should be treated as any guest we would have in our own house. Welcome them, make them feel comfortable, enjoy their company, but at the same time they must understand that I have rules in my house and as long as they are under my roof they are expected to abide by those rules. It is called mutual respect as any road we travel in life is usually a two-way street.
Please stop patronizing, immigrants are not your long lost children from some third world. You talk about rules under "your" house, answer me: do your children always follow the rules under your house? When people are forced, they do what they need to survive. Personally I am not hurt by the lack of finance in my life, what hurts the most is hearing ignorant snub comments from people who have no idea where I am coming from. If you could cultivate some basic decency in your everyday discussions about immigrants, start there and then you may see some improved relations, reduced tensions and more working together to build each other up.
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anyways I'll stop my whining and lay off the whole victim role-playing for a while. Like I said it would be great if people could understand each other, but it is not that simple and it is not always possible. Just as you feel comfortable interacting with your own people, and feel that your political assertions are as natural as the air you breathe, immigrants have the need to feel the same. Familiarity can be a very comforting thing in a strange land where people normally do not interact with one another except on an individual level. Immigrants desire community and they find that within their own, unfortunately they find connections in "ghettos", only they don't count it half as bad as you see it.
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This is the future of Toronto.

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