Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish...

Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY

There are 62099 comments on the WGRZ Buffalo story from Oct 14, 2007, titled Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY. In it, WGRZ Buffalo reports that:

The Diocese of Buffalo's "Journey of Faith and Grace" has led to the closings of more parishes across Western New York.

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Gimme Money

Buffalo, NY

#58092 Jan 28, 2014
Service wrote:
Pope Francis said,"It hurst my heart when I see a priest or nun with the latest model of car".ThePope continues,"Car are necessary. But take a more humble one". What about the younger priest who drives Lexus and owns a summerhouse on Lake Ontariowot of 159000 dollars? What about another one who 'forsibly' retired and bought a house for 300000dollars? Is that poverty? Would Pope Francis like that? This is what the Pope calls chasing,"the joy of the world in the latest smarthhone,the fastest car".
So are you saying that this is a moral issue? Are you saying that priests should not be able to own property or are you saying that there should be an " ethics review board" for everybody and it will decide the " proper " amounts to spend on personal property. Or should all priests be like missionnaries and own nothing personally? How are you going to make things fair and realistic at the same time. How do you know all this personal information on people but don't know which schools and churches have money and which don't.
Service

Niagara Falls, NY

#58093 Jan 29, 2014
Gimme Money wrote:
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So are you saying that this is a moral issue? Are you saying that priests should not be able to own property or are you saying that there should be an " ethics review board" for everybody and it will decide the " proper " amounts to spend on personal property. Or should all priests be like missionnaries and own nothing personally? How are you going to make things fair and realistic at the same time. How do you know all this personal information on people but don't know which schools and churches have money and which don't.
Why in the world would a priest need a summer house by the lake, or elsewhere? All priests have rectories, and let them live in those rectories that is provided by the churches. This is what Pope Francis is asking all priests to do.Driving Lexus, is that poverty? Having a summer house worth 159,000 dollars by the lake, is that poverty? Another having a house worth 300,000 dollars, is that poverty? Still, another one having a house worth 200,000 dollars, is that poverty? There are 4 retirement houses for priests provided by the Diocese, and let them live in those places!
income

Lancaster, NY

#58094 Jan 29, 2014
Diocesan priests DO NOT take a vow of poverty like priests who join religious orders. Diocesan priests receive a salary and pay taxes - higher thank most -- for some parts of their income they are considered independent contractors by the IRS. Some have also received money and property upon the death of their parents. Why should their private purchases and how they spend their private fund be open to such public criticism? Yes, they should not drive the most expensive car but it is their money and their decision. Why are their purchases scrutinized -- do you want yours under the same scrutiny and questioning? What about other professions?
Service wrote:
<quoted text>Why in the world would a priest need a summer house by the lake, or elsewhere? All priests have rectories, and let them live in those rectories that is provided by the churches. This is what Pope Francis is asking all priests to do.Driving Lexus, is that poverty? Having a summer house worth 159,000 dollars by the lake, is that poverty? Another having a house worth 300,000 dollars, is that poverty? Still, another one having a house worth 200,000 dollars, is that poverty? There are 4 retirement houses for priests provided by the Diocese, and let them live in those places!
Service

Niagara Falls, NY

#58095 Jan 29, 2014
income wrote:
Diocesan priests DO NOT take a vow of poverty like priests who join religious orders. Diocesan priests receive a salary and pay taxes - higher thank most -- for some parts of their income they are considered independent contractors by the IRS. Some have also received money and property upon the death of their parents. Why should their private purchases and how they spend their private fund be open to such public criticism? Yes, they should not drive the most expensive car but it is their money and their decision. Why are their purchases scrutinized -- do you want yours under the same scrutiny and questioning? What about other professions?
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They should give the best possible example to their parishioners, and the world at large. Driving Lexus, Lincoln, etc. is not a good example what Pope Francis tries to project with his papal influence upon the priests, and the world.
Anon

Albany, NY

#58096 Jan 29, 2014
Service wrote:
<quoted text> They should give the best possible example to their parishioners, and the world at large. Driving Lexus, Lincoln, etc. is not a good example what Pope Francis tries to project with his papal influence upon the priests, and the world.
agreed. If priests want to live opulent lifestyles then they made a poor career choice that they need to change.
Anon

Buffalo, NY

#58097 Jan 29, 2014
income wrote:
Diocesan priests DO NOT take a vow of poverty like priests who join religious orders. Diocesan priests receive a salary and pay taxes - higher thank most -- for some parts of their income they are considered independent contractors by the IRS. Some have also received money and property upon the death of their parents. Why should their private purchases and how they spend their private fund be open to such public criticism? Yes, they should not drive the most expensive car but it is their money and their decision. Why are their purchases scrutinized -- do you want yours under the same scrutiny and questioning? What about other professions?
<quoted text>
Priests who don't take the vow of poverty are still not supposed live worldly lives. They shouldn't have large bank accounts, own private homes, boats, luxury cars,antiques and other worldly possessions. Finally there is a pope who is reminding them about this and they don't like it. Have you ever met a priest who was poor? Not me! Most get their $$$$ by robbing the collection basket and depositing that in their own bank account. They know what envelopes to touch and what ones not to. Some inherit but that is not where they get their fortune. Where did some of their families get the $$$$? Why from Fr. Sonnyboy who took care of Ma and Pa for being good Ma's and Pa's to them.
ANON

Buffalo, NY

#58098 Jan 29, 2014
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>agreed. If priests want to live opulent lifestyles then they made a poor career choice that they need to change.


Unless the rules are changed from a promise of poverty to a vow of poverty and Rome will be willing to enforce it , nobody will change their lifestyle. The pope can keep dreaming. What bothers us suckers in the pews is that there are many priests who are taking money from the parish that they are not entitled to.
Poor Pope

Buffalo, NY

#58099 Jan 29, 2014
Service wrote:
<quoted text>Why in the world would a priest need a summer house by the lake, or elsewhere? All priests have rectories, and let them live in those rectories that is provided by the churches. This is what Pope Francis is asking all priests to do.Driving Lexus, is that poverty? Having a summer house worth 159,000 dollars by the lake, is that poverty? Another having a house worth 300,000 dollars, is that poverty? Still, another one having a house worth 200,000 dollars, is that poverty? There are 4 retirement houses for priests provided by the Diocese, and let them live in those places!
Nobody is going to make them do it and they can't be shamed into it either. They don't like the retirement homes. No privacy and no freedom. So they take extra money from the collection to pay for their personal pads.
Anonymous

United States

#58100 Jan 29, 2014
Gimme Money wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you saying that this is a moral issue? Are you saying that priests should not be able to own property or are you saying that there should be an " ethics review board" for everybody and it will decide the " proper " amounts to spend on personal property. Or should all priests be like missionnaries and own nothing personally? How are you going to make things fair and realistic at the same time. How do you know all this personal information on people but don't know which schools and churches have money and which don't.
Can. 533 §1.“A pastor is obliged to reside in a rectory near the church. Nevertheless, in particular cases and if there is a just cause, the local ordinary can permit him to reside elsewhere, especially in a house shared by several presbyters, provided that the performance of parochial functions is properly and suitably provided for.”
A few years ago, Msgr. Slubecky reminded pastors to live in the rectory. In any case, parishioners should not have to support the luxury of living expenses for priests who live in their own house, whether it is in the city or on the lake, and work only 3 or 4 hours a day.
The average working man can not afford this. They work for their money and they spend it wisely.
FYI

Lancaster, NY

#58101 Jan 29, 2014
little mermaid wrote:
<quoted text> FYI, Look at what man in the mirror? Lipuma or Fr. Joe? Truth is Fr. Joe ran for everyone in the DOB and helped everyone and no one is helping him. What a shame. Just sharing facts.
I believe S&L are birds of a feather that flock together.You are absolutely correct in your feelings about Fr. Joe. A better man you will never meet. He was the heart and soul of the St. Lawrence community.Always caring for the less fortunate and the suffering.
Emulsion

Lancaster, NY

#58102 Jan 29, 2014
Service wrote:
<quoted text>Why in the world would a priest need a summer house by the lake, or elsewhere? All priests have rectories, and let them live in those rectories that is provided by the churches. This is what Pope Francis is asking all priests to do.Driving Lexus, is that poverty? Having a summer house worth 159,000 dollars by the lake, is that poverty? Another having a house worth 300,000 dollars, is that poverty? Still, another one having a house worth 200,000 dollars, is that poverty? There are 4 retirement houses for priests provided by the Diocese, and let them live in those places!
For the same reasons the Pope needs to on the cover of The Rolling Stone.. It is all about living life to its fullest.
MsgrBadski

Riverside, CT

#58103 Jan 29, 2014
Yi can be pretty sure that most of the parishes, whose schools are being closed will also be closed in about 20 years time.
Service

Niagara Falls, NY

#58104 Jan 30, 2014
Transparency wrote:
<quoted text> Transparency is needed. Not because I said so! That's why people are having such a big problem with it. Surely, the parents at these schools understand budget and projected outcomes for enrollment in addition to priest shortages. If they can't afford to keep them open then they can't. Just show them the reasons. Why? We all gave our hard earned money and sweat equity in order to have come this far, don't you think we deserve more than a generalized, one size fits all reason?
The Bishop was very transparent when he announced the closings of 10 schools. What else do you want?
Service

Niagara Falls, NY

#58105 Jan 30, 2014
Anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Can. 533 §1.“A pastor is obliged to reside in a rectory near the church. Nevertheless, in particular cases and if there is a just cause, the local ordinary can permit him to reside elsewhere, especially in a house shared by several presbyters, provided that the performance of parochial functions is properly and suitably provided for.”
A few years ago, Msgr. Slubecky reminded pastors to live in the rectory. In any case, parishioners should not have to support the luxury of living expenses for priests who live in their own house, whether it is in the city or on the lake, and work only 3 or 4 hours a day.
The average working man can not afford this. They work for their money and they spend it wisely.
Some priests are saying 7 masses on weekends to make money for their lake summer huts, even though they already live in big rectories alone because they need 'special privacy.'
Service

Niagara Falls, NY

#58106 Jan 30, 2014
Gimme Money wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you saying that this is a moral issue? Are you saying that priests should not be able to own property or are you saying that there should be an " ethics review board" for everybody and it will decide the " proper " amounts to spend on personal property. Or should all priests be like missionnaries and own nothing personally? How are you going to make things fair and realistic at the same time. How do you know all this personal information on people but don't know which schools and churches have money and which don't.
Read the annual financial report of each parish and you will find the answers to your questions. Priests should live in the rectories. Put the answering services on, and encase themselves with their animals inside:birds, dogs, cats, etc., and hear no telephone ringings. Away from the desks!
Service

Niagara Falls, NY

#58107 Jan 30, 2014
income wrote:
Diocesan priests DO NOT take a vow of poverty like priests who join religious orders. Diocesan priests receive a salary and pay taxes - higher thank most -- for some parts of their income they are considered independent contractors by the IRS. Some have also received money and property upon the death of their parents. Why should their private purchases and how they spend their private fund be open to such public criticism? Yes, they should not drive the most expensive car but it is their money and their decision. Why are their purchases scrutinized -- do you want yours under the same scrutiny and questioning? What about other professions?
<quoted text>
Priests should give the best possible example to their parishioners as 'poor priests.'No Lexus, no Lincoln, no Cadillac, no summer villas with a swimming pool located already by the lake, etc. Follow Pope Francis, and late Blessed John Paul II who died without any earthly possessions in the Vatican.
FYI

Lancaster, NY

#58108 Jan 30, 2014
Service wrote:
<quoted text>Priests should give the best possible example to their parishioners as 'poor priests.'No Lexus, no Lincoln, no Cadillac, no summer villas with a swimming pool located already by the lake, etc. Follow Pope Francis, and late Blessed John Paul II who died without any earthly possessions in the Vatican.
Like I said. If you like your hut, you can keep your hut and if you like your car you can keep your car.
Service

Niagara Falls, NY

#58109 Jan 30, 2014
FYI wrote:
<quoted text>Like I said. If you like your hut, you can keep your hut and if you like your car you can keep your car.
Pope Francis does not want this. Cars, yes. But inexpensive cars! Huts! Sell and give money to the poor. No lake resorts with swimming pools and other luxuries.
cannons

Buffalo, NY

#58110 Jan 30, 2014
Anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Can. 533 §1.“A pastor is obliged to reside in a rectory near the church. Nevertheless, in particular cases and if there is a just cause, the local ordinary can permit him to reside elsewhere, especially in a house shared by several presbyters, provided that the performance of parochial functions is properly and suitably provided for.”
A few years ago, Msgr. Slubecky reminded pastors to live in the rectory. In any case, parishioners should not have to support the luxury of living expenses for priests who live in their own house, whether it is in the city or on the lake, and work only 3 or 4 hours a day.
The average working man can not afford this. They work for their money and they spend it wisely.
The local ordinary is always ready to shoot down the canons when they feel like it. I'm not just talking about residences .
FYI

Lancaster, NY

#58111 Jan 30, 2014
Service wrote:
<quoted text>Some priests are saying 7 masses on weekends to make money for their lake summer huts, even though they already live in big rectories alone because they need 'special privacy.'
And they are working very hard and long hours to sustaintheir parish.

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