Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish...

Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY

There are 59963 comments on the WGRZ Buffalo story from Oct 14, 2007, titled Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY. In it, WGRZ Buffalo reports that:

The Diocese of Buffalo's "Journey of Faith and Grace" has led to the closings of more parishes across Western New York.

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Anon

Buffalo, NY

#56977 Aug 25, 2013
MsgrBadski wrote:
Just to keep some perspective on this situation. Malone, and most other bishops are probably just as upset at the idea of closing parishes, as the parishioners who are affected. I think most bishops would rather open churches, rather than close them.
Can't agree with you there Rev. When was the last time a Bishop stood with the people and encouraged them let alone help them with a restoration plan? Has Bishop Malone ever been inside St. Ann's?
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#56978 Aug 25, 2013
anonymous wrote:
Wasn't there something some time ago on this blog indicating that St. Ann's is no longer owned by the Diocese? If that is true, how can the Diocese demolish a building that doesn't belong to them?
The Diocese doesn't own any of the parishes, but they are under the jurisdiction of the Bishop. The Bishop has the control & that opens the door for the Diocese.
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#56979 Aug 25, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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The Diocese doesn't own any of the parishes, but they are under the jurisdiction of the Bishop. The Bishop has the control & that opens the door for the Diocese.
?? except Corpus Christi- Do they have their own say??????
To remain open or close??? Like so many other parishes????
Why are the parishes allowed to stay open on the East side of Buffalo when parishes that were located close to each other, with more people worshiping in and at them already closed. Lockport, North Tonawanda, Black Rock, and many other areas????
Something does not add up here!
Anon

Buffalo, NY

#56980 Aug 25, 2013
Prete wrote:
pardon my error, should be special! scusate prego prete!
There is nobody in Buffalo who speaks good Italian. Leave the language alone. You will never be as good as the Polish.
Anon

Buffalo, NY

#56981 Aug 25, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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The Diocese doesn't own any of the parishes, but they are under the jurisdiction of the Bishop. The Bishop has the control & that opens the door for the Diocese.
You are confusing parish with buildings which are real property owned by an individual or corporation. Find out who the officers of the corporation are, please. Call the city or town and ask for the owner of record. It's public information. It's very hard to understand church double speak and that goes for ALL religions.
Remember they all speak for and with GOD.
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#56982 Aug 26, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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?? except Corpus Christi- Do they have their own say??????
To remain open or close??? Like so many other parishes????
Why are the parishes allowed to stay open on the East side of Buffalo when parishes that were located close to each other, with more people worshiping in and at them already closed. Lockport, North Tonawanda, Black Rock, and many other areas????
Something does not add up here!
why is Corpus Christi open, I went to Sat. Mass there a little bit back and there were 8 people in attendance. And yet, Ascension Church in NT closed with 900 active families, and four full Masses a weekend. Something is wrong here!
Why are there so many parishes in Niagara Falls?
How many parishes were closed and merged into St. Clare's on Elk?
I would like to know too, Why are there so many Churches still open on the East side of Buffalo?
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#56983 Aug 26, 2013
Anon wrote:
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There is nobody in Buffalo who speaks good Italian. Leave the language alone. You will never be as good as the Polish.
I do not think the Polish are very good.
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#56984 Aug 26, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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why is Corpus Christi open, I went to Sat. Mass there a little bit back and there were 8 people in attendance. And yet, Ascension Church in NT closed with 900 active families, and four full Masses a weekend. Something is wrong here!
Why are there so many parishes in Niagara Falls?
How many parishes were closed and merged into St. Clare's on Elk?
I would like to know too, Why are there so many Churches still open on the East side of Buffalo?
Niagara Falls lost 5 parishes in 2008. The ones remaining all have "alternative" worship sites, except for St. Raphael's in the Deveaux section of the city and St. St. John's in LaSalle. Rumor has it that the "alternative" worship sites will be next on the DOB hit list.
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#56985 Aug 26, 2013
Many, if not most alternative worship sites will be closed in the next round of closures, plus some parishes will be shut outright. You can this expect pattern to continue for maybe another ten years. Priests are getting older and few and you simply can't expect them to carry on as they were in their younger years. Also, even at large attendance masses, the churches tend to be only 1/3rd full.
Honey Bee

Buffalo, NY

#56986 Aug 26, 2013
Now that the bishop's new secretary is a bee keeper, what will Dunkirk Dupa do if she gets angry with him? Will she get a bee in her bonnet or a bug up her dupa?
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#56987 Aug 26, 2013
MsgrBadski wrote:
Many, if not most alternative worship sites will be closed in the next round of closures, plus some parishes will be shut outright. You can this expect pattern to continue for maybe another ten years. Priests are getting older and few and you simply can't expect them to carry on as they were in their younger years. Also, even at large attendance masses, the churches tend to be only 1/3rd full.
Which ones are first on the list? When will the next round begin?
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#56988 Aug 26, 2013
Is Mark Friel still a priest in good standing? Where ia Gerald Jasinki?
Anonymous

United States

#56989 Aug 26, 2013
Anon wrote:
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I HAD A DREAM that God would send an enlightened Bishop with some new ideas about rebuilding the church physically and spiritually.
Instead he sends us a carefree smiley face with the same contempt for his people as his predecessors, and no accountability for his decisions. I just pray that he is not as spiteful and vindictive.
Buffalonians are very complacent people. Ask anyone who comes to live here or tries to do business here, to change or even suggest anything different, he is met with the mantra:“But this is Buffalo!” It may not be the best place on earth, but we are happy the way we are and with the leaders we have. Freud argued that the leadership occurs because a group of people — the followers — have replaced their own narcissistic tendencies with those of the leaders, such that their love for the leaders is a disguised form of self-love. "Another person's narcissism", he said, "has a great attraction for those who have renounced part of their own... as if we envied them for maintaining a blissful state of mind." Even frogs croak happily in a muddy pond.
Anon

Buffalo, NY

#56990 Aug 26, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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why is Corpus Christi open, I went to Sat. Mass there a little bit back and there were 8 people in attendance. And yet, Ascension Church in NT closed with 900 active families, and four full Masses a weekend. Something is wrong here!
Why are there so many parishes in Niagara Falls?
How many parishes were closed and merged into St. Clare's on Elk?
I would like to know too, Why are there so many Churches still open on the East side of Buffalo?
If they can take care of themselves what's the problem? Who is supposed to come up with $3 million to demolish it . Who is going to pay for demolishing St. Ann. Isn't there some better way to spend money> You guys are really unbelievably stupid.
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#56991 Aug 26, 2013
The money from the sales of church properties? where is it going? Priests' salaries?(DOB priests are among the lowest paid priests in the USA.)
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#56992 Aug 26, 2013
Baptisms down. Marriages down. Well,what about funerals? I was looking over death notices in the newspapers and names beginning with "Mc" or O'", names ending in "iak" or "ski",also names ending in "elli" or "ci" or "o". in other words,families that one would expect would want a Catholic funeral with a Mass. Lots of the death notices indicate that only a ceremony in the funeral is all that's happening. Another indication of the loss of fervor among Catholic, due to weak evangelization.
MsgrBadski

West Milford, NJ

#56993 Aug 26, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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Buffalonians are very complacent people. Ask anyone who comes to live here or tries to do business here, to change or even suggest anything different, he is met with the mantra:“But this is Buffalo!” It may not be the best place on earth, but we are happy the way we are and with the leaders we have. Freud argued that the leadership occurs because a group of people — the followers — have replaced their own narcissistic tendencies with those of the leaders, such that their love for the leaders is a disguised form of self-love. "Another person's narcissism", he said, "has a great attraction for those who have renounced part of their own... as if we envied them for maintaining a blissful state of mind." Even frogs croak happily in a muddy pond.
This certainly applies to Nazi Germany. But Buffalo? People everywhere resist change and this is certainly true in buffalo. Change will only occur when the people demand new leadership. When the followers lead, the leaders will follow. If the current political and religious leadership in the Buffalo area is anything to go by, the people just don't expect much.(The Freudian insights are a lot ot think about.)
Anonymous

United States

#56994 Aug 26, 2013
CORPUS CHRISTI – Ten years ago, the Diocesan Priests’ Council recommended the closing of the parish and the demolition of this church. It was saved by a group of lay people (not all parishioners, Polish or even Catholic) who had vision and commitment. They first asked Bishop Mansell for a 6 month reprieve. In the meantime they looked for priests and made Mansell an offer he could not refuse.
They knew that, when he first came to Buffalo, Mansell had promised to keep as many churches open as possible. Corpus Christi is still alive and kicking. Because the church is owned by the Pauline Fathers, it was able to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars also through matching grants for extensive restoration.
Reality

Buffalo, NY

#56995 Aug 27, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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Niagara Falls lost 5 parishes in 2008. The ones remaining all have "alternative" worship sites, except for St. Raphael's in the Deveaux section of the city and St. St. John's in LaSalle. Rumor has it that the "alternative" worship sites will be next on the DOB hit list.
Yes,, some of the alternative parish sites in the Falls should be closed immediately. No need for all those priests running around aimlessly for few parishioners at DM, Mount Carmel, St. Joseph, St. Mary, etc. Close it down and you will have 2 extra priests: Jacek and Klizek.
Reality

Buffalo, NY

#56996 Aug 27, 2013
MsgrBadski wrote:
Many, if not most alternative worship sites will be closed in the next round of closures, plus some parishes will be shut outright. You can this expect pattern to continue for maybe another ten years. Priests are getting older and few and you simply can't expect them to carry on as they were in their younger years. Also, even at large attendance masses, the churches tend to be only 1/3rd full.
Hopefully, the bishop acts on it now!

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