Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish...

Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY

There are 61672 comments on the WGRZ Buffalo story from Oct 14, 2007, titled Buffalo Diocese Announces More Parish Closings Across WNY. In it, WGRZ Buffalo reports that:

The Diocese of Buffalo's "Journey of Faith and Grace" has led to the closings of more parishes across Western New York.

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Polish Natiional

United States

#55568 Apr 23, 2013
In the Trenches wrote:
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True, many of the heads are non-European, but so much of the internal culture is, which may always be a pesky problem..... Another sign that the holy father has a broader horizon is that the martyred Archbishop Romero is being reconsidered for beatification. Among clergy considered as liberationist (hence criticized by Rome), he was much more balanced and showed great courage when he stayed with his people and spoke out against Salvadoran government oppression, resulting in his being shot while celebrating Mass in the 1980s. You can read more about this at: http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/francis-... For those who don't care for the NCR, I know that there are other reports as well.
It was not really a European point of vew.
John Paul II had many reservations about Liberation Theology because many were (are?) embracing a Marxist phylosophy. Priest and nuns favored and even joined the armed guerilla which pitted Mays tribe against eacg other in Equador, Gatemala and elsewhere. The CIA (=American Government) was very much unvolved in preventing a revolution which aimed at protecting the rights of the farmers against the landlords supported by the big foreign corporations, especially from USA.

In the Trenches

Aix-en-provence, France

#55569 Apr 23, 2013
Polish Natiional wrote:
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It was not really a European point of vew.
John Paul II had many reservations about Liberation Theology because many were (are?) embracing a Marxist phylosophy. Priest and nuns favored and even joined the armed guerilla which pitted Mays tribe against eacg other in Equador, Gatemala and elsewhere. The CIA (=American Government) was very much unvolved in preventing a revolution which aimed at protecting the rights of the farmers against the landlords supported by the big foreign corporations, especially from USA.
A number of liberation theologians (such as Leonardo Boff) did embrace marxism to a shocking degree, saying that violence was sometimes necessary for structural change and the Church was in effect irrelevant. Romero was more respectful of Church authority, while at the same time knowing when he had to take a step away from the hierarchy's support of the economic status quo.
In the Trenches

Aix-en-provence, France

#55570 Apr 23, 2013
anon wrote:
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The Church is on life support, it is slipping deeper into a coma.
We've been in worse shape, believe me. A good read on Church history is a classic from Thomas Bokenkotter (spelling?), "A Concise History of the Catholic Church". Personally, I'm amazed that we've held together for so long. It really leads me to believe that the Holy Spirit is in charge, after all.
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#55571 Apr 23, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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Question: What was the first Church south of the city of Buffalo?
Question: When did the phrase Region 8 start being used?
Question: Which Daybreak do you refer to?(The original or the profaned?)
Question: Who ever said Theresa's was the "Mother Church?
Question: What Irish bishop pissed off the Germans by moving the Church?
I enjoy discussions and do not mind being challenged but please know what you are talking about. You date yourself by acting like St. John's was ancient. I went to HS with people from there.
Answer:St. Stephen's on Elk Street until South Buffalo became established.
Answer: When Bishop Head established regions, upon the recommendation of the then Priest Senate. The Priest Senate Sub Committee divided groups up based on their particular communities. Msgr.. Nugent was quite active in this particular project and chaired the group. Wm. Stanton was listed as Vice Chair.
Answer: Art, the one you were not associated with. Does that make the video and all the people interviewed wrong? Of course it does, because YOU say so.
Answer: It's been referred to it as the Mother Church in various publications of churches which were carved out of Teresa's original territory. There is also a letter in the archives of Holy Family in which Nelson Baker, as Vicar General calls Holy Family a "daughter" of St. Teresa's. Msgr. Shaw claimed that Msgr. John J. Nash, who had a rocky relationship with Baker, did not appreciate the reference. Nash viewed Holy Family as the Premier Parish in South Buffalo.
Answer: Irish Bishops pissed off many Germans. Are you referring to Dougherty who moved them to St. John's or Quigley who started St. Teresa's? Again, you are vague and expect others to view things your way.

You may enjoy discussions, but you seldom know what you are talking about and you define fact based upon what you deem to be fact.
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#55572 Apr 23, 2013
Many years ago, as families progressed, many would move from their smaller roomed homes in the Ward to South Buffalo. They had an old saying when they arrived in South Buffalo, it went:

"You can take the boy (or girl)out of the Ward, but you can't take the Ward out of the boy (or girl).

Another saying was:

"I'm as proud as the Lord, I was born in the Ward."
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#55573 Apr 23, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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Answer:St. Stephen's on Elk Street until South Buffalo became established.
Answer: When Bishop Head established regions, upon the recommendation of the then Priest Senate. The Priest Senate Sub Committee divided groups up based on their particular communities. Msgr.. Nugent was quite active in this particular project and chaired the group. Wm. Stanton was listed as Vice Chair.
Answer: Art, the one you were not associated with. Does that make the video and all the people interviewed wrong? Of course it does, because YOU say so.
Answer: It's been referred to it as the Mother Church in various publications of churches which were carved out of Teresa's original territory. There is also a letter in the archives of Holy Family in which Nelson Baker, as Vicar General calls Holy Family a "daughter" of St. Teresa's. Msgr. Shaw claimed that Msgr. John J. Nash, who had a rocky relationship with Baker, did not appreciate the reference. Nash viewed Holy Family as the Premier Parish in South Buffalo.
Answer: Irish Bishops pissed off many Germans. Are you referring to Dougherty who moved them to St. John's or Quigley who started St. Teresa's? Again, you are vague and expect others to view things your way.
You may enjoy discussions, but you seldom know what you are talking about and you define fact based upon what you deem to be fact.
With all due respect, little of what you said is correct, however, with your comment about Daybreak I see you have an agenda so I shall not waste my time correcting you except it was Holy Family that was the Mother Church and NEVER speak of Fr. Baker....you know nothing about him.
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#55574 Apr 23, 2013
In the Trenches wrote:
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We've been in worse shape, believe me. A good read on Church history is a classic from Thomas Bokenkotter (spelling?), "A Concise History of the Catholic Church". Personally, I'm amazed that we've held together for so long. It really leads me to believe that the Holy Spirit is in charge, after all.
I apologize for being distracted. I shall look at your suggestion above and reply latter. I know better than to engage but sometimes I can not help it! LOL!
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#55575 Apr 23, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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With all due respect, little of what you said is correct, however, with your comment about Daybreak I see you have an agenda so I shall not waste my time correcting you except it was Holy Family that was the Mother Church and NEVER speak of Fr. Baker....you know nothing about him.
Unless you are related to Nash. Hmmm, is this you sister? LOL!
Warsaw Phil

Saint James, NY

#55576 Apr 23, 2013
The future of St. Columban's Retreat House? Is the DOB going to be able to maintain it?
Warsaw Phil

Saint James, NY

#55577 Apr 23, 2013
Am I wrong or are people getting less reticent about expressing their fears about, or even animosity towards Islam?
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#55578 Apr 23, 2013
Warsaw Phil wrote:
Am I wrong or are people getting less reticent about expressing their fears about, or even animosity towards Islam?
Seems that way however, I really think they get a bad rep. These two clowns are a disgrace. I had kids tell me the younger one was a pot-head before the news broke it and the older one has a loose screw. I know some very lovely devout Muslim people and I feel bad for them.
Osama Bin Laden

Buffalo, NY

#55579 Apr 23, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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I know some very lovely devout Muslim people and I feel bad for them.
Thank you!
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#55580 Apr 23, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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With all due respect, little of what you said is correct, however, with your comment about Daybreak I see you have an agenda so I shall not waste my time correcting you except it was Holy Family that was the Mother Church and NEVER speak of Fr. Baker....you know nothing about him.
Art,

1.) I know an abundance about Fr. Baker....not that it means anything.

2.) If St. Teresa's started in 1897 and Holy Family started in 1902 ( a simple look at the Catholic Directory will prove this), I think this again shows you don't accept truth as a valid answer. It's your own fantasy world that we're all suppose to accept, instead of the reality of the facts.

3.) You won't waste your time correcting me because you know I backed you into a corner that you can't get out of. You have been proven a BSer. Like your homilies, you ramble on and say very little.

4.) You can say you are not Art, but you know that you are, so why deny it.
Lindrus Trippanostrum

Buffalo, NY

#55581 Apr 23, 2013
I have it on a good law office source that a contract of sale is being circulated transferring St. Adelberts to "Al Mosjihem Synagogue of Allah in Lyberia, Inc."
Watch the snews for the transaction.
Caught.
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#55582 Apr 24, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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Art,
1.) I know an abundance about Fr. Baker....not that it means anything.
2.) If St. Teresa's started in 1897 and Holy Family started in 1902 ( a simple look at the Catholic Directory will prove this), I think this again shows you don't accept truth as a valid answer. It's your own fantasy world that we're all suppose to accept, instead of the reality of the facts.
3.) You won't waste your time correcting me because you know I backed you into a corner that you can't get out of. You have been proven a BSer. Like your homilies, you ramble on and say very little.
4.) You can say you are not Art, but you know that you are, so why deny it.
1. I care because I and my whole family grew up there.
2. I am well aware of when HF was consecrated as my Dad was the first BOY baptized there. I am sorry ad perhaps this is rude but I ever really gave Teresa's much of a thought growing up. I had friends from St John's but can't say the same for Teresa's. I do know some really snooty Irish people that came from there but that's all I know. They were not educated people.
3. Nobody puts baby in a corner! LOL!
4. I am younger than Fr., I am a female, and I was not born in South Buffalo. Say what you want, we are both rather amused that you and others think I am him.
I do hope you are not related to Msgr. Nash as if you are I know your family very well as you would know mine.
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#55583 Apr 24, 2013
2. and (sp) never(sp)
S Bflo

Buffalo, NY

#55584 Apr 24, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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1. I care because I and my whole family grew up there.
2. I am well aware of when HF was consecrated as my Dad was the first BOY baptized there. I am sorry ad perhaps this is rude but I ever really gave Teresa's much of a thought growing up. I had friends from St John's but can't say the same for Teresa's. I do know some really snooty Irish people that came from there but that's all I know. They were not educated people.
3. Nobody puts baby in a corner! LOL!
4. I am younger than Fr., I am a female, and I was not born in South Buffalo. Say what you want, we are both rather amused that you and others think I am him.
I do hope you are not related to Msgr. Nash as if you are I know your family very well as you would know mine.
What awful comments to make!
Mary of Magdela

Buffalo, NY

#55585 Apr 24, 2013
S Bflo wrote:
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What awful comments to make!
Gotcha! LOL! I knew the Teresa thing would smoke you out! Not fighting with a nun.....we have been here before!
anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#55586 Apr 24, 2013
Warsaw Phil wrote:
The future of St. Columban's Retreat House? Is the DOB going to be able to maintain it?
Call the people from Corpus Christi, they can tell you how to save it.
Anonymous

Buffalo, NY

#55587 Apr 24, 2013
Mary of Magdela wrote:
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1. I care because I and my whole family grew up there.
2. I am well aware of when HF was consecrated as my Dad was the first BOY baptized there. I am sorry ad perhaps this is rude but I ever really gave Teresa's much of a thought growing up. I had friends from St John's but can't say the same for Teresa's. I do know some really snooty Irish people that came from there but that's all I know. They were not educated people.
3. Nobody puts baby in a corner! LOL!
4. I am younger than Fr., I am a female, and I was not born in South Buffalo. Say what you want, we are both rather amused that you and others think I am him.
I do hope you are not related to Msgr. Nash as if you are I know your family very well as you would know mine.
Ah, you're not a native of South Buffalo; that explains a lot of why you don't understand it. I find it hard to believe that your "father" was the first boy baptized there (he'd be 111 years old). Esther has been dead for decades now. That would put you in your 80's and you already said you were around the same age as Fr.Art (who you are). You admitted that in your post of how you knew him, admired him, etc.). Go back and read that post and you'll see the inconsistency. Art, you really do like to hear yourself and you state a lot of things that just aren't factual. But, people know that and that's why you're in the boat you are now.

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