Edmonton's Victory Christian Center in limbo

Aug 10, 2012 Full story: Edmonton Journal 69

One fall three decades ago, Cal Switzer stepped out in faith and into a room at the Convention Inn South.

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Ex staff Of Switzers

Edmonton, Canada

#1 Aug 12, 2012
YES It's TRUE YES TRUE We Seen These $$$ Scandal For YEAR'S Since The Start Of victory " christian " Center Edmonton 1982 And We Were Told if We Say ANYTHING We Will Be BANNED FROM All Victory Churches All Over The World Based Out Of Tulsa,Ok !!! And Any Health/Wealth Prosperity " Church " !!!
Wonder Why Our #'s Are DROPPING Like Now Wednesday Night " Service " Is Under 100 And Sunday Morning Is Now 165 And Sunday Night 100 !!! Due To Calvin,Janis " Janice " Switzer RUNNING The show !!!
We Remember When We Had " Camp Meetings " With Billy-Jo Daughtery " Now Passed On " And Rodney Parsley,Benny Hinn,Richard Godwin,Van Crouch !!! The CHURCH WAS PACKED But Now It's Under 200 And We Seen LOTS Of Great Pastors Like Music,Youth,Singels Get FIRED " Pushed Out " And Yes Even Office Staff Too !!!
It's A Shame We Have SECURITY " Ushers " To KICK OUT Or Throw Out If You Don't Agree What Calvin Switzer Talks About Or Tells The pastor PREACH What The BIBLE Says And Not His Words What He Was Doing Since 1982 !!!
If The " Church " Does Survive They'll Just Change The Name Of The CHURCH And Still STEAL YOUR $$$$ For Calvin's Wealth With More Cars,Houses,House Boats,Airplanes,Fancy Clothes,Trips For His Family !!!
Honestly For The Prosperity Movement They Just Change The Name Like Resurgence,Jesus People,Laughing Revial And Attract People Till They See The TRUTH YES TRUTH !!!
It's The Same teachings telling People You Will Be RICH If You Have Enough Faith And Give LOTS Of $$$ To The Church !!!

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Since: Dec 11

#2 Aug 16, 2012
Looks like people are clueing into the fact that churches are only there to fleece gullible sheep of their money.
And they do so by lying about gods, demons, heaven and hell.
What a scam!

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Since: Dec 11

Winnipeg, Canada

#5 Aug 21, 2012
Peter Ross wrote:
<quoted text>Since I posted this comment I now see the light.I'm a true believer in the one god almighty.i will now freely give money to churchs. God bless all you fellow belivers.
Yet another fake by someone not nearly intelligent enough to pass themselves off as me.

You really are a sad and pathetic little tool. Please, do the world a favor, and don't breed. Ever.

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anon

Edmonton, Canada

#6 Aug 23, 2012
anytime one folows charismatic person and allows him control instead of following the bible, trouble brews. anyone who bother to read the bile as tleaset the gospel charpters,(the first few book of new testaments will know abuut false prophets
even common sense one will not go to any group that has absolutely control of finance and you have no say or secret finance

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More Ex STAFF at victory

Edmonton, Canada

#7 Aug 24, 2012
Yes It's TRUE Switzer's are FRAUDS Since 1982 when this so called " church " started !!!! With Our $$$$$ Being Used for their own WEALTH And additions to their HOUSES in Edmonton,Tulsa etc

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ex-VCC team member

Leduc, Canada

#8 Aug 26, 2012
They (Pastor Cal and Jan) also spoke badly of other churches who let prostitutes and gays in to their congregations. That is the ugly, unChristian like side of things, of course there were many more things but I am sure you get the gist of it. It was very judgmental to say the least. In all honesty though there were many good parts about it too. They did many outreaches for the community, bringing food, clothing, free haircuts, etc. to the underprivileged communities in Edmonton. They taught me so much about God and I really did become a stronger person in many ways. I developed a closer relationship with God which carried me through many hardships over the years and that is why I stayed for so long. Things at the church just seemed to get worse and worse though and I simply couldn't follow them any more. i am grateful for what they taught me and that it brought me closer to God and made me a better person for it, I just wasn't willing to follow them blindly and am so very glad I got out when I did. May the hidden things be revealed!!

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ex-VCC team member

Leduc, Canada

#9 Aug 26, 2012
Speaking as one who attended this church for 10 years, I am relieved that these matters have been brought to light and that people are able to talk about them. When attending VCC, you aren't allowed to talk about anything, or question anything. So many wonderful people just disappeared from the congregation seemingly overnight but you weren't supposed to talk about it because they had left out of offense which is not following the Word of God. By talking about it you were just perpetuating the offense. When I finally made the very difficult decision to leave, I was reprimanded by my church family and my own blood family who still attend the church. I was told that what I was doing was wrong, not God's will, that I was called to VCC and if I left I would be stepping away from the path God had put me on. I was also told that what I was teaching my children was abhorrent. As a result of leaving I have been ostracized from my family who still attend VCC. I had NO IDEA that VCC was an incorporated business and that the Pastor and his wife were the only shareholders. I question if they should even be allowed to call themselves a church and if so should the congregation get a tax receipt for the tithes which they give! I hope the CRA gets involved and all the past and present tithe'rs get a piece of the Switzer's pie. You are not allowed to ask to see financial documents because questioning that is not trusting in your Pastor, the person you are supposed to be trusting to lead you down the path of righteousness. I was flat out denied by Jan Switzer, saying that VCC is lead by her husband who oversees all decisions of VCC, which is the best way (according to her) of managing a church. The problems were plain to see for those with their eyes opened, the service opened with 10 - 20 minutes worth of announcements advertising what was happening in the church. These usually consisted of 5-10 minutes of watching their son Rock playing quarterback for their high school football team. We were asked to sell tickets to our friends and family and to buy some for ourselves to support our church and it's school. Then we would see the upcoming guest speakers or conferences of which we would need to buy tickets to attend. Then we would be shown what was on sale at the bookstore, usually something that Pastor Cal wrote or T-shirts that have VCC or something on them. After announcements, we would have 20 - 30 minutes of offering where every single service we were told to sow our seed toward something we desired, material or otherwise. If you tithed then you would be blessed, if you didn't you wouldn't be. Then would come the preaching, but often it was shorter that the preaching about the offering. If there was a guest speaker it would go much longer but of course you would be asked to give another offering for the speaker. Pastor Cal also often spoke politics to the congregation. They love George W there, that's for sure! Obama....not so much. When elections came, they made sure to speak on which party stood for "godly" things and which party stood for gay rights, etc. CONT

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Darvin Zuch

Calgary, Canada

#10 Aug 27, 2012
All the rumours are true.

Having spent over ten years deeply committed and involved to the church, I never quite understood how such a powerful message came through someone so withdrawn from the people. The legacy of Victory Christian Center Edmonton is in its people most of whom have been likewise been pushed out while in their own deserts.

I, like many have been defined by VCC and the lay leadership and am indebted for their influence on my life. Never before have I had the honour of serving with a group of God fearing men like Mr Bujold, Mr McFetridge, Pastor Neil, the Wicklunds, Dave Tower, Mr Brahmacharie.

My hope is that this failure is only the start of what is to come. The church assets unfortunately are not the assets of the congregation and there is much more squirrelled away as any world-wise leader would do. Those of us who are graduates of this church know the restoring power of the Most High when we are stripped and lay bare and hope those who are in the middle of this mess can likewise graduate.

For those who have remained to the end. You know the teaching that has been taught and the tangible anointing of the Holy one that has been present in that place. Now is the time to take that which you know and go out as Cal Switzer did in 1982, taking that anointing to free those bound by debt and all that hold them back. There is now no one left but you and Him.

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Searching

Edmonton, Canada

#12 Sep 3, 2012
I went to vcc briefly many years ago in the early 1990's then again recently because I felt I did some bad things and needed to talk to God about it. I went back there because I could feel something there I rarely feel in other churches. I assumes it was the Holy Spirit. The pastor also seemed to know things I never told anyone at the church. Now I am confused. Is he really following God or what?
Ex OfficeStaffYoder -Zook

Edmonton, Canada

#13 Sep 6, 2012
Yes It's TRUE Switzer's Are FRAUDS And YES We Se The TRUTH NOW And Since 1982 They Been STEALING People's MONEY Since We Had FRIENDS Come And Go Since This So Called " Christian " Church Or Honestly CULT And All About $$$ For The Switzer's Wealth !!!!!!

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pushed out too

Edmonton, Canada

#14 Sep 6, 2012
Years ago I was also pushed out. They reject people who challange what they say and will not discuss things. There word is God and that is it. No outside cousoul and very controlling. Stop the hurt and pain the just let it go Cal. End this misery of a church ana dream someplace else. You dod not like most people and willnot do anything but for your own dreams and desires to "be like the peopleat Rema school in Tulsa" with "planes and gains and shames". Many have moved on in life like the ones who were told by you to get rid of me. Im fine and my dreams have come true. You taught me to fear you guys and I still do and wont go near you guys. Your tough and taught me you are the holiest ones around and that if a laeader is not protected that much by security like a government president then that leader is not really worth the skin he is in. You guys created such an illusion of an aura around your selves. Like your that special called person ofthe ages. You tired. Some believed and gave their money and well we know what happened. Others just left and were not really that guillible. I learned so much to be my best and did it without stepping foot for 20 years in that place. Gosh I ws hoping for more greater thanings than this and blaming satan. Satan loves it when people blame him and not take responsiblity for themselves. You guys should just start over. You got your money from guillible people I would guess.
Your dream happened at the cost of others and reputation and other peoples time and even money. We all giot wierded out and now can rest in op=ur lives now that crap is brought to light. Heck tell the truth and get it overwith. We are not allgoing to be like you and cant be. We all have real jobs and still follow Jesus in our ways and reach out. I would not care to know how I would be now IF I stood with you gys, maybe I would have been stood up in the end. Glad its not me in there now and having to deal emotionally like the poor souls there that have to deal with this stuff.
Ah pack it up and start over maybe in another city. You wont change. People never do. Just the days and times do and what we do. Ill never forget the motivation I got and the speakers I seen there. I had fun in the old days of innocent service to Jesus. But man can get in the way and man in the end can be deciving and get peoples hearts. Im really glad I was there for the time but glad Im not there now and am glad I moved on.
I had funa nd experiences with some great people. Life is real and life can be hard and then we all need each other. Glad there are so many other places to get help and prayer and love. Your not and willnever be the only ones. Dare to dream people. Live in peace with everyone. God knows our hearts. Most people have good hearts. Im sure leaders had them but only God knows what is up now. Im glad and reliaze now that Im glad to have moved on when I did. It perhaps would now be realized that it was time wasted and there could be many pissed off people now who seek more answers to questions. As longas there are secret hiddeen there will remain to be questions unanswered and things never discussed, but that is people. Illusions are all we have then. If you wish to figure out the magician dont ask the magic man, read your own books on magic and learn the art yourself. Cal will never reveal anything, he has no time to and desire to. He got peoples money and like a magic guy would just say. Go to school and learn yourself. If you wish to be a leader get trained instead of complain. Elite groups are the birds of the same feather who hang togethor. Im glad I left when I did. Im not really that guillible. Booted years ago. Life is so good and enjoying things, no worries. be happy everyone. Stay safe, drive safe, be blessed. let VCC deal with its own issues.

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Since: Aug 12

Winnipeg, Canada

#17 Sep 8, 2012
Ex OfficeStaffYoder-Zook wrote:
Yes It's TRUE Switzer's Are FRAUDS And YES We Se The TRUTH NOW And Since 1982 They Been STEALING People's MONEY Since We Had FRIENDS Come And Go Since This So Called " Christian " Church Or Honestly CULT And All About $$$ For The Switzer's Wealth !!!!!!
Ex...the leadership does not make the church. The Church is the Body of Christ, meaning its the people, not the leadership. From other comments on this blog, it's apparent that there were a lot of wonderful, godly individuals at this church. Those individuals, the other lay people, and attendees are the Church. We are to be the hands and feet of Christ. Corrupt leadership will be fiercely disciplined by the Lord, and all corrupt leaders will pay the consequences for their actions.

I pay taxes to the government, but have no control how those taxes are used. In the same way, we give to the Lord out of obedience. In most churches, there's a level of accountability that keeps funds checked and balanced. Something happened here, that eliminated any level of accountability. To say the Church is a "cult" because of the leadership is erroneous. It's like saying Enron's employees were all wicked because of what its CEO, Ken Lay did to the company.

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Ex Bible College Dean

Edmonton, Canada

#18 Sep 15, 2012
YES Switzers Your FRAUDS And We Are Finally Seeing The TRUTH Where Are $$$$$$ Went Since Lots Of Our FRIENDS Told us The TRUTH With Your LIES,Stealing Our $$$$$ Since 1982 !!!!!
Maybe Tell The TRUTH SWITZERS And Tell The Ex PASTORS,Office STAFF,MEMBERS,NON The TRUTH Where Our $$$$$ Went For Rock's Football Program,Your NEW HOUSES,CARS,FANCY Clothes/Toys For Your FAMILIES !!!!
We Finally Seeing The LIGHT And Now We See The #'s Dropping MORE AND MORE Every Week Since You GOT EXPOSED Of Your LIES And STEALING OUR $$$$$ Since the NEWS Came Out In July 2012 !!!!!
We Hope More STAFF WAKE-UP And LEAVE And Have Their EYES WIDE OPEN And See The TRUTH That Your A THEIF Since 1982 When victory " christian " center Edmonton Opened !!!!!
Ex " Bible " College Dean That FINALLY Saw The Truth !!!!!!!!!

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COL KLINK

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Sep 17, 2012
Peter Ross wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet another fake by someone not nearly intelligent enough to pass themselves off as me.
You really are a sad and pathetic little tool. Please, do the world a favor, and don't breed. Ever.
I hope you do not hve kids.I'll feel sorry for them with an ass like you for a father.
inerested observer

Sherwood Park, Canada

#20 Sep 17, 2012
Hmmm...
It's quite interesting that several of the above postings by "Ex Staff" bear great resemblance in writing style. In addition to being poorly constructed from a grammatical stand point, I would expect more professionalism in the dialogue from "Ex Staff", thus bringing into question the credibility of the author to some of these statements.

That said, did the Switzers make a major "faux pas" entering into a land deal with Kevyn Frederick? Without question, the answer is yes as indicated by their present predicament. Simply put, they were conned and their carelessness not to employ a lawyer in the early stages will cost them dearly. They are not the first to fall victim to a con and they certainly won't be the last.

Going further, to label them as thieves is a strong statement to make. Has anyone who commented above reviewed the financials of the organization? Did the people over the years not give to this ministry of their own free will? Wouldn't it be more correct to say that there was misappropriation of funds? Is greed a factor? It most likely is.

Ultimately, people have a hand in this too. They are capable of making their own assessments and decisions. If their expectations of disclosure are not met they are not obligated to stay and can leave anytime. And based on my observation many of them already have.

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Ian Magee is still staff

Edmonton, Canada

#21 Sep 25, 2012
Perhaps just blowing smoke....
ExStaff Ian Stewart Magee wrote:
Yep SWITZERS ARE FRAUDS And STEALS Our $$$$$$ Since 1982 !!!! I'm Finally Seeing The TRUTH What The Yoder-Zook Families Told Us In PRAYERS And Many Other EX OFFICE STAFF And members/Non !!!!!!!!!!

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Ian Magee is still staff

Edmonton, Canada

#22 Sep 25, 2012
I believe you must be just blowing hot air, Ian Magee is still staff, be wise with deceitful info, please

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Info incorrect also

Edmonton, Canada

#23 Sep 25, 2012
Not sure where info comes from , but so incorrect
Ex OfficeStaffYoder-Zook wrote:
Yes It's TRUE Switzer's Are FRAUDS And YES We Se The TRUTH NOW And Since 1982 They Been STEALING People's MONEY Since We Had FRIENDS Come And Go Since This So Called " Christian " Church Or Honestly CULT And All About $$$ For The Switzer's Wealth !!!!!!

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Info incorrect also

Edmonton, Canada

#24 Sep 25, 2012
Where do some dream up this info and especially the name

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We Saw The Light Finally

Edmonton, Canada

#25 Nov 20, 2012
Well we saw the LIGHT Finally and Yes it's True SWITZER'S "Miller " Janis( Also goes by Janice,Jan) " Maiden Name " are FRAUDS it took us 20 years and we seen it finally on Sunday Night November 18 2012 !!!!!!!!!!

Hope and pray this place closes down and we get our $$$$$$$$$$ back what Switzer's stole from us for their NEW Houses,Cars etc

They already have LOTS Of houses in Edmonton/around the World And that's where your MONEY Went since 1982

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