How to cure honour killings

Almost as soon as news broke that the murders of three Afghan-Canadian teenage sisters and their father's first wife in Kingston, Ont., were possible "honour killings," some in the Muslim community reacted in the most predictable fashion: defensiveness and denial ...

[Joe DeCaro]

"Instead of voicing outrage at the murders, two Muslim callers to my CFRB radio show in Toronto slammed me for raising the subject, and suggested I had some hidden agenda ... The head of the Canadian branch of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) told the CBC more or less the same thing - that the story was unrelated to Islam, which apparently does not permit honour killings.

They are both right and wrong. It is true that Islam's holy book, the Koran, does not sanction honour killings. But to deny the fact that many incidents of honour killings are conducted by Muslim fathers, sons and brothers, and that many victims are Muslim women, is to exercise intellectual dishonesty ..."

[Marcus]

You are all mad and senseless with syphillis or aids as you are all fucked up in the brains with incestuos sexual realationships with your own sister or daughter.
Islam what?? Islam has no boundaries!!
Islam has no trust!!
islam is all about shagging like animals where you do not even know if you are a brother sister or mother!!
Good luck to all of you who likes this religion but please don't come near me I will sting you.
Islam is kaka liki pissare manzere kaka vandere zott mama banne falou zot mama.
Zott kontan bourre zot soeur ou cosuin and mum.
It is better you act like a suicide bomber and end your life for a useless cause!!You are all mad and senseless with syphillis or aids as you are all fucked up in the brains with incestuos sexual realationships with your own sister or daughter.
Islam what?? Islam has no boundaries!!
Islam has no trust!!
islam is all about shagging like animals where you do not even know if you are a brother sister or mother!!
Good luck to all of you who likes this religion but please don't come near me I will sting you.
Islam is kaka liki pissare manzere kaka vandere zott mama banne falou zot mama.
Zott kontan bourre zot soeur ou cosuin and mum.
It is better you act like a suicide bomber and end your life for a useless cause!!

[Tara]

The chap who killed his ex wife and 3 daughters by Drowning them in ontario canada has requested that he be tried by Sharia law. NOW THAT,S TRUE MUSLIM

[Reason Personified]

Did he have no sons to dispose of?

[passerby]

Reason Personified wrote:

Did he have no sons to dispose of?

In Islam men do not dishonour it is they who are dishonoured because of the actions of their female family members.

[Roger_AR]

Honor killings!! What a terrific way of getting rid of the Muslim problem....just let them kill
themselves off.

[Reason Personified]

The story here gave no mention as to a possible "Cure" for this stupidity. I however will assume that the poster would like help in finding a way to stop the dishonorable practice of honor killings. Since the ones who will continue to be murdered are mostly women and girls. My suggestion is for every female killed in this insane tradition, 2 males from the same household should also be killed. Gotta keep these things balanced out. It would probably take no more than 500,000 or so males eliminated thusly to get the attention of the whole damned pack of these idiots and possibly even give pause to this disgusting filthy practice

[Tinkerbell]

Reason Personified wrote:

The story here gave no mention as to a possible "Cure" for this stupidity. I however will assume that the poster would like help in finding a way to stop the dishonorable practice of honor killings. Since the ones who will continue to be murdered are mostly women and girls. My suggestion is for every female killed in this insane tradition, 2 males from the same household should also be killed. Gotta keep these things balanced out. It would probably take no more than 500,000 or so males eliminated thusly to get the attention of the whole damned pack of these idiots and possibly even give pause to this disgusting filthy practice

My vote is to empower all the women to have a national "burn your burka day"...arm them and allow nature to take its due course! LOL

Dont get me wrong...Im all for its a mans world. But those baaaastards take it entirely too far. It would be hystercial and quite poetic to watch the women put them into their places!

[Thunder-Girl]

Castrate all muslim men. That should stop honor killing.

[Alen]

Thunder-Girl wrote:

Castrate all muslim men. That should stop honor killing.

No, sister, fight them with The Quran. If you challenge them, they will run away, i guarantee it.

[Joe DeCaro]

Alen wrote:

<quoted text>No, sister, fight them with The Quran. If you challenge them, they will run away, i guarantee it.

Although there is no mention of "honor killings" in the Qu'ran, if she dares challenge her Muslim males, they will kill her for simply challenging them, and then the Qu'ran will only back them up.

[Scent of Memories]

who="Joe DeCaro"
Although there is no mention of "honor killings" in the Qu'ran, if she dares challenge her Muslim males, they will kill her for simply challenging them, and then the Qu'ran will only back them up.
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Although he can't prove what he says, he still spread lies, and then want us to believe.

[Scent of Memories]

Islam decided 100 lashes for those who accuse pure innocent women.

[george whyte]

Dictums of Quran and Hadiths which may dictate/incite honor killing:
Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”
Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”
Quran-17:32 “ Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
Quran-33:33 “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display.”

[george whyte]

Now some sahih hadiths:

Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)

Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari:“A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”

Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”

Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65:
Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say,‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession."

[george whyte]

Al-Bukhari:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said,“Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”.

Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said,“No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated,“When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”.

Al-Bayhaqi:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said,“O mankind! Beware of fornication/adultery for it entails six dire consequences: three of them relating to this world and three to the next world. As for the three that are related to this world, they are the following: it removes the glow of one’s face, brings poverty, and reduces the life-span. As for its dire consequences in the next world they are: it brings down the wrath of Allah upon the person, subjects him to terrible reckoning, and finally casts him in hell-fire.”

[Joe DeCaro]

Scent of Memories wrote:

who="Joe DeCaro"
Although there is no mention of "honor killings" in the Qu'ran, if she dares challenge her Muslim males, they will kill her for simply challenging them, and then the Qu'ran will only back them up.
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Although he can't prove what he says, he still spread lies, and then want us to believe.

Then why don't YOU take Alen's advice and challenge YOUR male Muslim relatives?

If you are foolish enough to do this, I believe we will never hear from you on Topix again!

[george whyte]

"The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three [instances]: the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and abandons the community."

it was related by Bukhari and Muslim

[Scent of Memories]

who="Joe DeCaro"
Then why don't YOU take Alen's advice and challenge YOUR male Muslim relatives?
If you are foolish enough to do this, I believe we will never hear from you on Topix again!
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You had to specify not generalize . You mean women can't go to court to complain when their relatives abuse them ?, not true, they can. Always happen. But I'd prefer it would be the last step.

[Thunder-Girl]

Alen wrote:

<quoted text>No, sister, fight them with The Quran. If you challenge them, they will run away, i guarantee it.

Alen, I think in some cultures it is easier said than done. Such a shame.