Jews share a concern for the well-being of humanity

Apr 1, 2012 Full story: Lake Cowichan Gazette 86

Susan Shawlee and Dinah Kerzner, of the Okanagan Jewish Community Centre of Kelowna, with their table at the Diversity Health Fair, held last month in Vernon.

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paul shykora

Calgary, Canada

#1 Apr 2, 2012
..OF COURSE WE are,here...(+)..$$$..GOD Bless..yada u u ...shalom....

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Christian Witness

Tulsa, OK

#2 Apr 4, 2012
The Jews on earth today have been given notice that unless they repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, they have no life in them.
Romans 10:12-21

Almighty God Jehovah, the one true God of the Bible has given mankind his word, all the evidence to show that Jesus was truly the promised Messiah to the nation of Israel, and redeemer of all mankind through his life and death.
Matthew 3:16,17

The natural Jews are not Jehovah God's chosen people, they are no longer God's inheritance, they are the same as any nation on earth alienated from Jehovah God's approval.
Any individual on earth who wants to have life, must know, love and serve Jehovah God, with their whole heart, soul and strength.
Acts 10:34
paul shykora arts

Calgary, Canada

#3 Apr 5, 2012
Christian Witness wrote:
The Jews on earth today have been given notice that unless they repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, they have no life in them.
Romans 10:12-21
Almighty God Jehovah, the one true God of the Bible has given mankind his word, all the evidence to show that Jesus was truly the promised Messiah to the nation of Israel, and redeemer of all mankind through his life and death.
Matthew 3:16,17
The natural Jews are not Jehovah God's chosen people, they are no longer God's inheritance, they are the same as any nation on earth alienated from Jehovah God's approval.
Any individual on earth who wants to have life, must know, love and serve Jehovah God, with their whole heart, soul and strength.
Acts 10:34
...oh really...eh...shalom..yada u u
shari

Westbank, Canada

#4 Apr 18, 2012
"Christian Witness" (above) doesn't speak for me even though I'm a Christian - and it's safe to say he/she doesn't speak for Jesus either.

Since God clearly made an eternal covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants ... and told us over and over again that covenant is eternal, unbreakable, and that He would keep covenant EVEN IF Israel broke their covenant with Him ... we're clearly deceived if we think He could turn His back on the ones He made the covenant with to begin with.

And speaking as a follower of Jesus here, how can any of us who believe "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1, New Testament) ever believe He would cancel His own promises that He swore to keep forever?

ON THE CONTRARY - I can't say it strongly enough that we as believers need to be standing together with Israel and her people worldwide - not condemning or judging Jewish people. God is the Judge of all of us and I'd just as soon not have any religious people judging me either, thank you very much.

Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One. And He loves you.

friendingisrael.wordpress.com
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#5 Apr 19, 2012
shari wrote:
"Christian Witness" (above) doesn't speak for me even though I'm a Christian - and it's safe to say he/she doesn't speak for Jesus either.
Since God clearly made an eternal covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants ... and told us over and over again that covenant is eternal, unbreakable, and that He would keep covenant EVEN IF Israel broke their covenant with Him ... we're clearly deceived if we think He could turn His back on the ones He made the covenant with to begin with.
And speaking as a follower of Jesus here, how can any of us who believe "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1, New Testament) ever believe He would cancel His own promises that He swore to keep forever?
ON THE CONTRARY - I can't say it strongly enough that we as believers need to be standing together with Israel and her people worldwide - not condemning or judging Jewish people. God is the Judge of all of us and I'd just as soon not have any religious people judging me either, thank you very much.
Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One. And He loves you.
friendingisrael.wordpress.com
chosenstill.wordpress.com
The covenant was broken by the Northern Kingdom of Israel (known as the House of Israel) which separated itself from the Davidic line of the Southern Kingdom of Judah (known as the House of Judah). The promised destruction came about 700 years BCE. Most of the northern ten tribes were carried off, and having no foundation and a fondness for pagan god ideas, they were easily assimilated into many nations.

The 2nd exile came about because of disobedience by the many of remaining tribes of the Southern Kingdom. But in this case, not all assimilated, ever. Hence the church persecution to convert, exile, or kill those that wouldn't convert. So there always have been, and still are those who will not accept anything other than the God they knew at Sinai, and the God their forefathers knew. They were warned in Deuteronomy never to follow gods their forefathers did not know. Obviously they and their forefathers never knew Jesus.

The distinction should always be made in context as whether the scriptures are referring to Israel as a whole, or Israel as the separated tribes of the Northern Kingdom.

Note Jesus's words concerning his mission (prior to Paul's new ideas and the various redactions done to the NT, especially John)

'But he answered and said to them,“I am not sent except to the sheep that have strayed from the house of Israel.”'

Jesus was well aware of the distinction between the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#6 Apr 19, 2012
Finkelstein would differ from that reading.
Omri=Israel-Samaria indeed taken into exile, as far as the leaders where concerned, but Judah formerly a backward province filled with the people fleeing and thus could grow, and establish dominance, that it never had before.
So there was never a disappearance of the ten tribes.
And archeology also found that the countryside was spared.
Edom was another nation that could grow because of being an Assyrian vazal.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#7 Apr 19, 2012
Didn't David have an Edomite mother?
A brigand at odds with his father and his son.
Israel would consider Judah as breaking the covenant for paying hommage as a vazal to the Assyrian ruler.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#8 Apr 19, 2012
I don't mean to create confusion, but there are two if not three distinct traditions.
Name-derivations thus.
Judahite state won out and later the judaic tradition. The winner writes history.
Shari

Canada

#9 Apr 19, 2012
Clearly there are educated people participating here. My point though isnt about the lost tribes ...although of course you're right that Judah or the Jewish people are not the whole house of Israel. My point isn't about whether any or all tribes of Israel broke covenant with their God either. You and I both know what human nature is like and no one is innocent. The point being that He swore He would never break covenant even though we all do and Israel would too. Which leads to the NEXT point where we have to ask whether we really believe God is a liar who breaks His promises...like the ones in Jeremiah 31. Because if thats the God any of us believe in we are all in big trouble.

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#10 Apr 19, 2012
MAAT wrote:
Didn't David have an Edomite mother?
A brigand at odds with his father and his son.
Israel would consider Judah as breaking the covenant for paying hommage as a vazal to the Assyrian ruler.
Ruth was a Moabitess. Since she accepted the God of Israel she would be considered a convert. She was his great-grandmother.
paul shykora ARTs

Calgary, Canada

#11 Apr 19, 2012
..THANKYOU's..Sheri...GOD Bless..LOV'yha...(+)...$shalom

Since: Dec 10

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#12 Apr 19, 2012
Shari wrote:
Clearly there are educated people participating here. My point though isnt about the lost tribes ...although of course you're right that Judah or the Jewish people are not the whole house of Israel. My point isn't about whether any or all tribes of Israel broke covenant with their God either. You and I both know what human nature is like and no one is innocent. The point being that He swore He would never break covenant even though we all do and Israel would too. Which leads to the NEXT point where we have to ask whether we really believe God is a liar who breaks His promises...like the ones in Jeremiah 31. Because if thats the God any of us believe in we are all in big trouble.
If I understand correctly from your first post that you are not into converting Jews as they have their own eternal covenant with God. That's nice.

A word about the 'new' covenant in Jeremiah. Many Hebrew words are formed from concepts and 'chadash' is a good example. It is derived from the Hebrew word for month, or the period of time for the moon to be renewed. So when Jeremiah's words 'brit chadasha' are translated as 'new covenant', it is not technically a new covenant, but rather a 'renewed' covenant. Although chadash is commonly used as new in the sense of never having existed before, as King Solomon noted in Ecclesiastes 'there is nothing new under the sun'.

paul shykora ARTs

Calgary, Canada

#13 Apr 19, 2012
.....and seaside soon ..is NOT YOU's ..REAL Name..eh...got it...(-)

Since: Dec 09

Calgary, Canada

#14 Apr 19, 2012
shari wrote:
"Christian Witness" (above) doesn't speak for me even though I'm a Christian - and it's safe to say he/she doesn't speak for Jesus either.
Since God clearly made an eternal covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants ... and told us over and over again that covenant is eternal, unbreakable, and that He would keep covenant EVEN IF Israel broke their covenant with Him ... we're clearly deceived if we think He could turn His back on the ones He made the covenant with to begin with.
And speaking as a follower of Jesus here, how can any of us who believe "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1, New Testament) ever believe He would cancel His own promises that He swore to keep forever?
ON THE CONTRARY - I can't say it strongly enough that we as believers need to be standing together with Israel and her people worldwide - not condemning or judging Jewish people. God is the Judge of all of us and I'd just as soon not have any religious people judging me either, thank you very much.
Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One. And He loves you.
friendingisrael.wordpress.com
chosenstill.wordpress.com
.
How is this covenant any different than the promise he made to Phineas that he would always have a man to serve before the Lord which he disannuled in:
1Sa 2:30 Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#15 Apr 20, 2012
Christian Witness wrote:
The Jews on earth today have been given notice that unless they repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, they have no life in them.
Romans 10:12-21
Almighty God Jehovah, the one true God of the Bible has given mankind his word, all the evidence to show that Jesus was truly the promised Messiah to the nation of Israel, and redeemer of all mankind through his life and death.
Matthew 3:16,17
The natural Jews are not Jehovah God's chosen people, they are no longer God's inheritance, they are the same as any nation on earth alienated from Jehovah God's approval.
Any individual on earth who wants to have life, must know, love and serve Jehovah God, with their whole heart, soul and strength.
Acts 10:34
You need to stop with the drugs.

Since: Dec 10

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#16 Apr 20, 2012
paul shykora ARTs wrote:
.....and seaside soon ..is NOT YOU's ..REAL Name..eh...got it...(-)
Wow! You deserve a lightbulb for that.
shari

Surrey, Canada

#17 Apr 20, 2012
35 This is what the LORD says,

he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the LORD Almighty is his name:
36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the LORD,
“will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.”

37 This is what the LORD says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the LORD.
shari

Surrey, Canada

#18 Apr 20, 2012
Those verses above are from Jeremiah 31.
paul shykora ARTs

Calgary, Canada

#19 Apr 21, 2012
...LIGHTBULB's are good...and SHINING Forth...eh...(+)
paul shykora ARTs

Calgary, Canada

#20 Apr 21, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! You deserve a lightbulb for that.
...vhy are you's,no-name-false,...hiding in the ....dark???....eh..

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