Nationalists perform strongly in Ukra...

Nationalists perform strongly in Ukraine vote

There are 126 comments on the New Jersey Herald story from Oct 30, 2012, titled Nationalists perform strongly in Ukraine vote. In it, New Jersey Herald reports that:

29, 2012. . Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of the of nationalist Svoboda speaks to the media during his press conference in Kiev, Ukraine, Monday, Oct.

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Since: Apr 11

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#21 Oct 31, 2012
Water King wrote:
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My word, what a constructive post!
Go back to your cave of delusions.
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So says an ignorant caveman.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#22 Nov 1, 2012
Are you stupid ukrainkas going to drive out the few remaining Tatars and Jews. Go for it! You starve faster and thus relieve humanity from ya.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#23 Nov 1, 2012
What are you talking about, Fintard? No one is being forced out of Ukraine, Tatars are not persecuted in Ukraine and if any Jews move away then it's their own free choice.
Are you pining for Pissy? The dumb SLOvak has gone missing.:-)
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#24 Nov 1, 2012
How many gold filling did you pull, PEASANT.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#25 Nov 1, 2012
None, I'm not a dentist, reindeer shagger.
Donald

Toronto, Canada

#26 Nov 2, 2012
Jay wrote:
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Historically nationalism always Leeds to conflict. When things are good all is well, when times are bad nationalist take the opportunity to strategically prey on emotion and rally citizens through pride... Always leading them to eventual self destruction. Nationalism creates wars. Remember the nationalist will always blame others for their problems that are usually self inflicted by previous regimes of the same people. Nationalist militarize always- then they chose to limit freedoms and transfer power to the state leadership. Simply communism and nationalism have been enemies of democracy... Always have and always will be.
You should be more wary of using absolutes such as "always". Also, equating nationalism with communism as enemies of democracy is based entirely on the communist vs. Nazi isological stuggle. Nationalism comes in all shapes and sizes and it can very much promote democracy - if people view democracy as a fundamental characteristic of their state. In Canada and America and in many other nations it is decidedly unpatriotic to not support democracy. The ancient Greek states were the original democracies, and their citizens felt a duty to stand shoulder to shoulder in resistance of invading dictatorships. Dictatorships do employ nationalism when it suits them (ie. the Nazis and Soviets). But you can't equate nationalism that arises in a free nation with the nationalism that is wielded by a privileged ruling class.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#27 Nov 2, 2012
The USA talks about democracy but, it has not got the faintest idea what democracy is.

Look at all the actions of the USA at home and abroad and you will see, unless your blind that, the USA is the biggest Dictatorship on the planet.

There is absolutely NOTHING democratic in the USA,
ask Doctor Jill Stein.

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#28 Nov 2, 2012
Jay wrote:
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An empire lol!! Where else does the Canadian flag fly. If you travelled this country coast to coast you'd be surprised how safe and friendly this place is. Multiculturally mixed and financial stable with free healthcare, welfare and pension... The only thing free trade agreements do is allow the sale and purchasing between nations in a cooperation to not tariff each other to death. Lots of jobs here lots of opportunity and no sense of nationalism whatsoever just the most humble people around my friend.
But trade agreements do not promote free trade. What the EU does is promote protectionism. The same as with NAFTA. Free trade within the protectionist racket leads to less free trade with the wider world. Unless it were a global FTA...

A world of rival trade blocks is certainly not progress.

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#29 Nov 2, 2012
Donald wrote:
<quoted text>You should be more wary of using absolutes such as "always". Also, equating nationalism with communism as enemies of democracy is based entirely on the communist vs. Nazi isological stuggle. Nationalism comes in all shapes and sizes and it can very much promote democracy - if people view democracy as a fundamental characteristic of their state. In Canada and America and in many other nations it is decidedly unpatriotic to not support democracy. The ancient Greek states were the original democracies, and their citizens felt a duty to stand shoulder to shoulder in resistance of invading dictatorships. Dictatorships do employ nationalism when it suits them (ie. the Nazis and Soviets). But you can't equate nationalism that arises in a free nation with the nationalism that is wielded by a privileged ruling class.
A democracy is naturally nationalistic in character. Would Canadians elect a government which was viewed as not putting the interests of Canada and Canadians first but instead of having a more internationalist outlook? Really?

It only makes sense that a party which puts the interests of Kyiv ahead of those of Washington, Moskva or Brussels would...
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#30 Nov 2, 2012
Pro Ukraine wrote:
None, I'm not a dentist, reindeer shagger.
Of course you are not. You are simply a peasant manure. You were born as one and will die as one.
Warrior Poet UG X

Oakridge, OR

#31 Nov 3, 2012
(not so) Neutral: Actually the voters of Ukraine can choose whoever Yanu and Putinski favor. The voters go and file their votes and then when the votes are counted it always comes out the way the two mentioned before want. It is almost as bad as some of the tricks the Dummycrats in the U.S. are trying during elections (dead people voting, machines that misregister, etc.)
Je Me Souviens

United States

#32 Nov 3, 2012
Jay wrote:
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I don't think you know Canada Quebec has a small minority that want there own country as for the majority they fly a Canadian flag. Roughly 2/3 of Quebec is under Indian land claims. The Mohawks are proud Canadians and do not support separation
That's why that 'small minority' almost pushed through separation in previous referendums I suppose. Interesting trick, care to elaborate on how they did it?

As for the Mohawks, they have de facto independence already and thumb their noses freely at Canadian laws they don't like so why would they complain?

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#33 Nov 3, 2012
Warrior Poet UG X wrote:
(not so) Neutral: Actually the voters of Ukraine can choose whoever Yanu and Putinski favor. The voters go and file their votes and then when the votes are counted it always comes out the way the two mentioned before want. It is almost as bad as some of the tricks the Dummycrats in the U.S. are trying during elections (dead people voting, machines that misregister, etc.)
You make it sound just like Florida.(-:
Jay

Sherwood Park, Canada

#34 Nov 5, 2012
Donald wrote:
<quoted text>You should be more wary of using absolutes such as "always". Also, equating nationalism with communism as enemies of democracy is based entirely on the communist vs. Nazi isological stuggle. Nationalism comes in all shapes and sizes and it can very much promote democracy - if people view democracy as a fundamental characteristic of their state. In Canada and America and in many other nations it is decidedly unpatriotic to not support democracy. The ancient Greek states were the original democracies, and their citizens felt a duty to stand shoulder to shoulder in resistance of invading dictatorships. Dictatorships do employ nationalism when it suits them (ie. the Nazis and Soviets). But you can't equate nationalism that arises in a free nation with the nationalism that is wielded by a privileged ruling class.
Wow pretty educated comment and deep. Your right. Sometimes in written comments from other posters who agitate and instigate I see them as short sighted. Good to read there is educated people in the masses well said in little words Donald.
Jay

Sherwood Park, Canada

#35 Nov 5, 2012
Je Me Souviens wrote:
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That's why that 'small minority' almost pushed through separation in previous referendums I suppose. Interesting trick, care to elaborate on how they did it?
As for the Mohawks, they have de facto independence already and thumb their noses freely at Canadian laws they don't like so why would they complain?
Ah my French countryman I know you remember the referendum oh to well. I believe the vote was a wake up call for Quebecor's to participate in voting or others will shape their path. The spirit was high before but looking at the last federal election the New Democratic Party swept Quebec simply because the Bloc was a separatist movement and until the final days of the election that's when the slips and oops happened revealing the wolf in Sheeps clothing causing the citizens to "Wake Up" and they did the ballots cast undeniably where the anything but Bloc and Conservative vote. One winning NDP candidate was chilling in Vegas she couldn't believe she won and didn't speak French!! Another a university student who ran for funnzies and was elected what 19-20 years old. The people spoke and said NO to separatist.
Jay

Sherwood Park, Canada

#36 Nov 5, 2012
Je Me Souviens wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why that 'small minority' almost pushed through separation in previous referendums I suppose. Interesting trick, care to elaborate on how they did it?
As for the Mohawks, they have de facto independence already and thumb their noses freely at Canadian laws they don't like so why would they complain?
As for Mohawks they've been held down and all treaties violated they are justified to block roads and cause civil unrest. Remember OKA when some dumb ass Quebec politician allowed a golf course to be built on an ancient Mohawk burial ground. Then when the Indians protested provincial police arrived guns out! The Mohawks shot two of them killed one. The army deployed and refused an order to sweep the woman children and Mohawk warriors. The vandoo major went on tv and announced he is refusing the order and that Canadians don't shoot Canadians a great day for Canada a bad day for Quebec politicians that hold corruption in their hands. That day has always made me proud to be Canadian because no golf course was built and no blood was shed.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#37 Nov 5, 2012
Didn't they only get something like 8% of the votes?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#38 Nov 5, 2012
They got over ten percent, making them the fifth largest party in parliament.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#39 Nov 5, 2012
What does a country like Ukraine have to be nationalist about?

Aren't Ukrainians just rejects from Russia?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#40 Nov 5, 2012
Of course they're not, you Magyar dummy.

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