The Khmer Rouge Trial in November 2012

Nov 30, 2012 Full story: Asian Correspondent 138

The first visit of a head of government to the Court and the first hearing over the Khmer Krom genocide investigation were the main events this month to the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia for the prosecution of top surviving leaders of the Khmer Rouge regime The Prime Minister of New Zealand, John Key, joined US President Barack ... (more)

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CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#124 Dec 20, 2012
^See the funny CCP CLOWN?!

Maybe agreeing with yourself is a pathetic CCP propaganda art form?

Hee Hee!
chansy

Australia

#125 Dec 20, 2012
very difficult to get the khmer rouge leader to admit they crime because before they joint the gangs they already learn how to lie and another thing is the current khmer gov have some members in that gangs
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#126 Dec 20, 2012
chansy wrote:
very difficult to get the khmer rouge leader to admit they crime because before they joint the gangs they already learn how to lie and another thing is the current khmer gov have some members in that gangs
And all caused by the Chinese Communist Party criminals:

"Maoists were always more enamored of the pure Marxist ideal than their Soviet counterparts, and after the Sino-Soviet split of the late 1950's the Chinese Communists made a couple of attempts to radically communize China, the "Great Leap Forward" which attempted to decentralize industrial production and the "Cultural Revolution" which attempted to alter people's attitudes in line with the expected communist transformation of human nature. While radical Maoists had to back off their program in China itself after some spectacular failures fueled a backlash by pragmatists, Maoist-oriented revolutionary movements elsewhere had the luxury of cleaving to the pure ideology insulated from any pragmatic elements that might have a vested interest in preserving some semblance of an industrial economy. Fortunately, most of these unreconstructed radical Maoist movements have failed to take power (e.g. the Shining Path in Peru), but there was one horrible exception in the mid 1970's: Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

The Khmer Rouge leadership recognized that if the Communist ideal was incompatible with industrial civilization and an urban existence that a division of labor implies, then a principled Communism would have to thoroughly deurbanize society and eliminate all industry. When the Khmer Rouge seized power and took the shocking step of evacuating Phnom Penh in April of 1975, they were merely acting with the courage of their Marxist convictions. The worst that can be said of Pol Pot was that he was sincere; the Cambodian people were in fact freed of the "alienation" of a division of labor and individual personality, and were reduced to a perfectly uniform egalitarian existence on the collective farms. "

from:http://econfaculty.gmu.ed u/bcaplan/museum/cook.htm
cilantro

Long Beach, CA

#127 Dec 20, 2012
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP wrote:
<quoted text>
And all caused by the Chinese Communist Party criminals:
"Maoists were always more enamored of the pure Marxist ideal than their Soviet counterparts, and after the Sino-Soviet split of the late 1950's the Chinese Communists made a couple of attempts to radically communize China, the "Great Leap Forward" which attempted to decentralize industrial production and the "Cultural Revolution" which attempted to alter people's attitudes in line with the expected communist transformation of human nature. While radical Maoists had to back off their program in China itself after some spectacular failures fueled a backlash by pragmatists, Maoist-oriented revolutionary movements elsewhere had the luxury of cleaving to the pure ideology insulated from any pragmatic elements that might have a vested interest in preserving some semblance of an industrial economy. Fortunately, most of these unreconstructed radical Maoist movements have failed to take power (e.g. the Shining Path in Peru), but there was one horrible exception in the mid 1970's: Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.
The Khmer Rouge leadership recognized that if the Communist ideal was incompatible with industrial civilization and an urban existence that a division of labor implies, then a principled Communism would have to thoroughly deurbanize society and eliminate all industry. When the Khmer Rouge seized power and took the shocking step of evacuating Phnom Penh in April of 1975, they were merely acting with the courage of their Marxist convictions. The worst that can be said of Pol Pot was that he was sincere; the Cambodian people were in fact freed of the "alienation" of a division of labor and individual personality, and were reduced to a perfectly uniform egalitarian existence on the collective farms. "
from:http://econfaculty.gmu.ed u/bcaplan/museum/cook.htm
The same old nonsense propaganda comment post from mental canadian.
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Port Moody, Canada

#128 Dec 21, 2012
cilantro wrote:
<quoted text>The same old nonsense propaganda comment post from mental canadian.
Same old repetitive weakness from the feeble and dying Chinese Communist Party.
true

Australia

#129 Jan 9, 2013
khmer rouge trial is hopeless take too long to convict the genocide criminal
cilantro

Long Beach, CA

#130 Jan 10, 2013
Just put the khmer rouge leaders in the cage, at Tourl Sleng Museum and start selling tickets to the people. There will be more tourist to visit the musuem to see them ,and the government can make more money before all those leaders die. I know we treat them like animals, but that's the way it is... because they used to treat people like animals.. God Buddha said, "What goes around, comes around........"well I just got idea like that"lol..
SpongeBob

Mississauga, Canada

#131 Jan 10, 2013
cilantro wrote:
Just put the khmer rouge leaders in the cage, at Tourl Sleng Museum and start selling tickets to the people. There will be more tourist to visit the musuem to see them ,and the government can make more money before all those leaders die. I know we treat them like animals, but that's the way it is... because they used to treat people like animals.. God Buddha said, "What goes around, comes around........"well I just got idea like that"lol..
...Did you forget about....behind-the-scene Big Boss Chinaman?????? Wahahahhahaha! I feel sorrow for...Cambodia nation.
cilantro

Long Beach, CA

#132 Jan 10, 2013
SpongeBob wrote:
<quoted text>...Did you forget about....behind-the-scene Big Boss Chinaman?????? Wahahahhahaha! I feel sorrow for...Cambodia nation.
...I also feel sorrow for you that you fought so hard, trying to save or taking land ..but you end up running away from your coutry and got no peice of cambodia land,,don't blam us, we already gave you some land,, maybe your Hanio Gorv't didn't give you a share,lol..anyway, keep yourself warm , it's frozen up there and that could make your DingDong shring too,,lol.
Drgunzet

Boise, ID

#133 Jan 10, 2013
cilantro wrote:
<quoted text>...I also feel sorrow for you that you fought so hard, trying to save or taking land ..but you end up running away from your coutry and got no peice of cambodia land,,don't blam us, we already gave you some land,, maybe your Hanio Gorv't didn't give you a share,lol..anyway, keep yourself warm , it's frozen up there and that could make your DingDong shring too,,lol.
Don't feel sorry for SpongeBob. You got it all wrong. He was not running away from Vietnam. There was many smart Vietnamese got captured and forcibly moved to settle in other countries. As the results, the oversea Vietnamese are sending home 4 billion US dollars a year to Vietnam. In comparison, the oversea Cambodians are only sending home 100 million US dollars. That's a 40 to 1 ratio.

Note: I would expect the oversea Cambodians to send Cambodia 600 million US dollars a years to be at par with the Vietnamese. But no, they only send 100 million US dollars.

So, don't feel sorry for SpongeBob and other Vietnamese. They are richer, more successful than most Cambodians. You should feel sorry for Cambodian community and Cambodia. Your people are not performing at par. So shape up ok?
Tom L

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

#135 Jan 11, 2013
The way I see it, in this order of guilt:
1)KR common men: who actually did the killing.
2)Pol Pot & his leaders for ordering the killing, & please, stop the conspiracy theory on how Vietnam was behind this when Pol Pot gangs hate Viet guts! And they're mostly Chinese Khmer, still Khmer anyway. Khmer killed Khmer. Don't play the race card!
3)Chinese Commies who support arms & their advisors to KR. Chinese wanted to create their own soft zone to Vietnam-Soviet pact, plus, they wanted to show the West (after Nixon visit 1972, Vietnam relationship with China was slowly diminished) that they're not just Commie, could go either way, a major player on the international affair. By clamming down Vietnam, they made the West, led by US very happy. Part of the deal for helping KR, KR shipped rice to China who had suffered from yrs of famine & Maoist Great Leap Forward program. KR regional commanders had to lied about rice production to Pol Pot to keep themselves alive since Pol Pot would purge anything unproductive in the name of Viet spies or anti Angkar. Commanders in the Eastern regions also lied about Khmers fighting abilities as 1 KR could kill 30 Viets. Anything counter productive would mean a trip to the rice field with a axe behind one back or plastic overhead. Watch Enemy of The People http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemies_of_the_P...
4)UN, led by US, supported Pol Pot for the longest time to pay back at VN, while CIA supported Pol Pot onward with arms & supplies after Pol Pot went into jungle. Supplies went through private channels & as aids to Red Cross camp from Thailand. Pol Pot regime was even recognized with a seat in UN. UN criticized Vietnam for invading Cambodia, put economic sanctions against Vietnam for years. That must be UN darkest age!
5) King Sihanouk who want to be a player on Cambodian affair, regardless at what prices, went on radio in Beijing to call for common men(not educated enough to tell the differences) to join KR. The King should have stayed quiet if no good options available to him. No wonder why, Beijing supported the King lavish life styles for years after. And, please, don't tell me he was lied to, cheated.. He's a man who know what he's doing, not stupid. Mostly he just want to be seen & loved by the Khmer. By the prices to Khmer were too steep.
6) Vietnam for defending their country in the first places after Pol Pot many initial attacks on border. Vietnam did invade Cambodia(& withdraw to see KR reactions but Pol Pot was stupid to continue provoking) to stop the killing on Vietnam borders, set up a friendly gov,... and lastly stop the killing. Yes, lastly. War is not pretty. Nothing is for free. UN did not do a damn thing for Khmer in the beginning.
Tom L

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

#136 Jan 11, 2013
So with that in mind, I don't know if the Cambodian people would ever get the true justice serves. Too many parties involved would love to keep low. Vietnam would not like to expose too much of what happened since K5. China would not like anyone to dig deeper. US & UN should be ashamed. KR former members living in the US, in Cambodian gov, in general population.

And I did not mention the Thai roles in supporting line to KR yet.
SpongeBob

Mississauga, Canada

#138 Jan 11, 2013
Drgunzet wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't feel sorry for SpongeBob. You got it all wrong. He was not running away from Vietnam. There was many smart Vietnamese got captured and forcibly moved to settle in other countries. As the results, the oversea Vietnamese are sending home 4 billion US dollars a year to Vietnam. In comparison, the oversea Cambodians are only sending home 100 million US dollars. That's a 40 to 1 ratio.
Note: I would expect the oversea Cambodians to send Cambodia 600 million US dollars a years to be at par with the Vietnamese. But no, they only send 100 million US dollars.
So, don't feel sorry for SpongeBob and other Vietnamese. They are richer, more successful than most Cambodians. You should feel sorry for Cambodian community and Cambodia. Your people are not performing at par. So shape up ok?
Thanks for the back up. BTW, here is the number of VN remittences for the last few years, that were just...above-the-ground.
SpongeBob

Mississauga, Canada

#139 Jan 11, 2013
Baksie Chamkrong

Richmond, VA

#140 Jan 11, 2013
SpongeBob wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for the back up. BTW, here is the number of VN remittences for the last few years, that were just...above-the-ground.
You can't fight with your own two feet always appreciate someone to back you up behind holding your waist. Everyone knows you're a brave man in battle field stayed behind soldiers with both hands cover you face.
CambodiaNumber1

Phnom Penh, Cambodia

#141 Jan 12, 2013
China number 1.
China help khmer rounge fight yuons.
China help CCP.
SpongeBob

Mississauga, Canada

#142 Jan 12, 2013
...Take all things from chinaman if you can. Just remember, this time it would take propably ONE WEEK for Viets to clean up Cambodia MESS. The last time, it took only....10days. I don't forget Jan, 1979 Pochentong Airbase of Phnompenh, Cambodia capital when our comrades over-ran Khmer Rouge, all Chinese supplies were still....INTACT and on...the runway. Wahahhahahaa! Maoz...wine tased...good. Tea too. Wahahahhaha!
Drgunzet

Boise, ID

#143 Jan 14, 2013
Tom L wrote:
The way I see it, in this order of guilt:
1)KR common men: who actually did the killing.
2)Pol Pot & his leaders for ordering the killing, & please, stop the conspiracy theory on how Vietnam was behind this when Pol Pot gangs hate Viet guts! And they're mostly Chinese Khmer, still Khmer anyway. Khmer killed Khmer. Don't play the race card!
3)Chinese Commies who support arms & their advisors to KR. Chinese wanted to create their own soft zone to Vietnam-Soviet pact, plus, they wanted to show the West (after Nixon visit 1972, Vietnam relationship with China was slowly diminished) that they're not just Commie, could go either way, a major player on the international affair. By clamming down Vietnam, they made the West, led by US very happy. Part of the deal for helping KR, KR shipped rice to China who had suffered from yrs of famine & Maoist Great Leap Forward program. KR regional commanders had to lied about rice production to Pol Pot to keep themselves alive since Pol Pot would purge anything unproductive in the name of Viet spies or anti Angkar. Commanders in the Eastern regions also lied about Khmers fighting abilities as 1 KR could kill 30 Viets. Anything counter productive would mean a trip to the rice field with a axe behind one back or plastic overhead. Watch Enemy of The People http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemies_of_the_P...
4)UN, led by US, supported Pol Pot for the longest time to pay back at VN, while CIA supported Pol Pot onward with arms & supplies after Pol Pot went into jungle. Supplies went through private channels & as aids to Red Cross camp from Thailand. Pol Pot regime was even recognized with a seat in UN. UN criticized Vietnam for invading Cambodia, put economic sanctions against Vietnam for years. That must be UN darkest age!
5) King Sihanouk who want to be a player on Cambodian affair, regardless at what prices, went on radio in Beijing to call for common men(not educated enough to tell the differences) to join KR. The King should have stayed quiet if no good options available to him. No wonder why, Beijing supported the King lavish life styles for years after. And, please, don't tell me he was lied to, cheated.. He's a man who know what he's doing, not stupid. Mostly he just want to be seen & loved by the Khmer. By the prices to Khmer were too steep.
6) Vietnam for defending their country in the first places after Pol Pot many initial attacks on border. Vietnam did invade Cambodia(& withdraw to see KR reactions but Pol Pot was stupid to continue provoking) to stop the killing on Vietnam borders, set up a friendly gov,... and lastly stop the killing. Yes, lastly. War is not pretty. Nothing is for free. UN did not do a damn thing for Khmer in the beginning.
Let me clarify your point #1 and #2. Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge leaders ordered the killing of Vietnamese influenced, pro-Vietnamese, Vietnamese root among the Cambodian population. But the local Khmer Rouge village chiefs over did it and killed their enemies such as anyone who were smarter than them, doctors, teachers. But most of all, if the Khmer Rouges' sons were after a pretty Khmer girls and the Khmer girls were in love with another handsome Khmer boys then more killings will be done.

That's why now day you don't see any pretty Khmer girls and pretty Khmer boys. They were killed by the jealous Khmer Rouges' ugly sons.

The answer were so subtle and simple. I am a scholar in my own right. Khmer people should thank me for pointing out their real problem.

I assure you, if we put a guy like Angkor in charge of a Khmer village with the same power as the Khmer Rouge village chief in 1975-1978, the killing will happen again. It's their killing nature.

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