if we both feel so strongly about "homeland" issue...than we would pack our bags up and let the natives once again have their land back..even in ancient days, more than jews lived there...it was the main import/export port and many came and went...and originally the country was called Canaan before the jewish ppl went to war and took it over, so they were not natives to the land also..<quoted text>
Yes, but that's just the problem. On both sides there are claims to land, claims that are supported and somewhat supported, argued, fought over, and each side claims the other fired the first shot and that the problem is going to be solved by weighing up the blood lost on both sides and seeing who 'wins'. Nobody wins and the feud is so ancient that I don't believe anyone ever will. Possibly the answer is in the two-state solution with very high walls but Palestine seems to refuse to agree.
You can say that the idea of a religious 'homeland' is crap, but some people believe it to the point of murder-as is clearly evidenced by these two.
In the diplomatic debacle at the United Nations General Assembly pertaining to the vote of recognition to the Palestinian Authority, two countries considered solid supporters of Israel abandoned us at the crucial moment.
Join the discussion below, or Read more at Jerusalem Post.
#23 Dec 6, 2012
#24 Dec 6, 2012
Who is "we"?
Yes, that is what people/civilizations do. I've written this before but I'll write it again. Every nation wants borders that they had when they were at their most powerful. Governments manipulate this desire to their own advantage.
#25 Dec 6, 2012
how do you sort all your cut and paste? Must be a full time job. You must make good money as a propagandist. Fiscal cliff is coming. Better work on sheltering all that money.
#26 Dec 6, 2012
Not having NHL must be rough.
Look, the issue is about a state for the Palestinian people who elected Hamas. Problem is there are rockets, terrorism and no acceptance of the people whom inhabit the land. Now, Israel has been ready to negotiate but Hamas wages war. Do you expect Israel to just take it and not respond? What would you do if attacked?
Time for Palestinians to embrace peace. Get to the table and agree to recognize each other and live peacefully like the us and Canada.
Israel is not going away. Aussie pm made huge mistake here.
#27 Dec 6, 2012
Good point Henry.
The muslims must stop hating and starting wars and learn to behave like human beings.
#29 Dec 6, 2012
muslims are not humans at first they are robots or a 7th century zombie.if a muslim becomes human won't be a insult to insult to cultic islam.
#30 Dec 6, 2012
They have been thieves and opportunists for centuries, nothing has changed, they run Australia in every way and steal land from the arabs. Nothing will ever change.
#31 Dec 6, 2012
sorry not an NHL fan..
There was one Israeli Prime Minister that truly wanted peace and signed a peace treaty with the Palistinains. This included to respect international laws and stop building illegal jewish settlements on occupied land. However, he was assassinated when he was making his speech in front of thousands by an israeli. After his assassination, not one future Israeli prime ministers honoured the peace agreement tat Rabin and teh Palistinians signed, instead israeli policies continued to build illegal settlements on occupied land. I am sure the palistinians were happy.
Rabin brokered the first disengagement treaty with Egypt, which led to the Camp David Accords in 1979, and won the prime ministership the second time on a peace platform. His death severely set back the peace movement's momentum as the power vacuum was filled with the Likud's right-wing hawks, who opposed peace-making and aggressively pursued settlement-building in the Occupied Territories: Ariel Sharon and Benjamin Netenyahu. Sharon would moderate considerably by the late 1990s. Netenyahu would not.
#32 Dec 6, 2012
Understanding the mentality of a State's majority & its Heros is helpful in understanding the motives of a State:
"How Israel was Founded"
EXCERPT "After leaders of the Third Reich committed atrocities against the Jews during World War II, they were tried, hanged and buried, both physically and under the contempt of humanity.
The opposite happened to the bloody and arrogant terrorists of Israel. Ben-Gurion, Begin, Shamir, and Sharon were all elected to leadership of the nation. This reflected the anti-Palestinian, terrorism-friendly mentality of many Israeli voters.
The Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem documents, from United Nations records, more than 650 attacks by Jewish settlers and the Israeli military against Arabs between 1948 and 1998.” CONTINUED
"Israel" remains an artificially imposed "State" of Foreign, Zionist Fanatics forced on a generations' old Native Population by powerful, Colonial Powers.
The OTHER "Pure/One Race", Ultra-Nationalist, Expansionist (Lebensraum="Greater Israel" was composed of Nazi Supported, Hate Filled ZIONISTS
“Nazi-Zionist Collaboration 10: Zionism in Germany”
EXCERPT “Nazism started in Germany and so did Nazi-Zionist collaboration."CONT.
These aggressive, arrogant & violent Racists were heavily armed & Foreign funded remain just as Racially Hateful as they are Armed beyond comparison
“Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel”
“Most of the Jewish public in Israel supports the establishment of an apartheid regime in Israel if it formally annexes the West Bank.
A majority also explicitly favors discrimination against the state's Arab citizens, a survey shows.
The survey, conducted by Dialog on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, exposes anti-Arab, ultra-nationalist views espoused by a majority of Israeli Jews.“ CONTINUED
“Settler Rabbi publishes “The complete guide to killing non-Jews”
“The State of Israel must must invent dangers and to do this, it must adopt methods of provocation and revenge.......and, above all, let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire more space.”
Moshe Dayan in “Moshe Sharett; Diaries”
Ethnic Cleansing in Air Conditioned Comfort is hardly a "Conflict" & clearly Genocide
“ISRAEL USING GAZA AS ‘TESTING FIELD’ FOR WEAPONS”
“ISRAEL PAVES THE WAY FOR KILLING BY REMOTE CONTROL”
“NEW COMBAT ROBOTS READY FOR GAZA GROUND OFFENSIVE”
Quote from Israeli P.M. Hero & Nobel Peace Prize winner:
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects.
In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best.
Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron.
The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982
If you weren't aware of these Facts, one must wonder what OTHER Ruthless, Zionist/Israeli Enormities flourish & remain so heavily censored from so many
Thanks for your time
#33 Dec 6, 2012
It seems like you've been fed the same, old Ziono-Media Propaganda that have professionally poisoned millions of minds
“SIX ZIONIST COMPANIES OWN 96% OF THE WORLD’S
“The power of lies, deceptions and disinformation as Americans pay the price of collective stupidity.”
What has proven true in the US has, obviously proven true in Australia; "The Land of Murdoch" and his Hate-Filled, ultra Zionist Propaganda Rags
“I don’t care if Americans think we’re running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.” Joel Stein, Los Angeles Times, December 18, 2008.
THESE are two other realities that have escaped your notice (or remain censored.
“There was not a single act of Arab terrorism against Americans before 1968, when the U.S. became the chief supplier of military equipment and economic aid to Israel.”
"Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."-- John Sheehan,
I spent 10 - 11 months living among the Muslims in the Islamic world. I experienced only kindness, hospitality and generosity...
Because all the "TV Documentaries" , " News" and Information Westerners have been fed is PURE ZIONIST CRAP!
To dupe MOST People into hating Muslims & Killing them for ZIONIST "Greater Israel"
“Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin wrote:
“Because of a miracle, a foreign army is fighting our worst enemy for our sakes.”
Which 2 Ideologies Embrace:
1. "Pure/One Race Obsession,
2. A Larger Mythical "Homeland ....i.e. "Lebensraum" = "Greater Israel"
3.. Ultra Nationalist Fanaticism
4. An insatiable Greed for more & more of Other Peoples' Land
This should help:
“THE NAZI ZIONIST PACT”
“The US Congress Bulletin.”
“It has been long forgotten that the only two flags allowed to fly in the Third Reich were the swastika and the blue-and-white Zionist banner.
A Military Pact with Nazism
“On January 11, 1941, Avraham Stern proposed a formal military pact between the National Military Organization (NMO), of which Yitzhak Shamir, the current Prime Minister of Israel, was a prominent leader, and the Nazi Third Reich.
This proposal became known as the Ankara document, having been discovered after the war in the files of the German Embassy in Turkey. It states the following:"
See "Ankara Documents"
Zionists killed far more Jews than ANY other Hate Cult:
“When a shipload of Jewish refugees on the Danube river were refused permission to disembark anywhere, Henry Montor the leader of the United Jewish Appeal explained that they could not be allowed to sail the Holy Land because “Palestine cannot be flooded with old people or with undesirables”.(Feb. 1, 1940).
“On Nov. 25, 1940 the Haganah commanders ordered the blowing up of the ship Patria in Haifa Harbor as a protest against England’s plan to send refugees to Mauritius instead of to Palestine, and thus 272 Jewish refugees perished.”
You're welcome to hate whom you will but when some Mossad False Flag Op Kills you & your family......don't blame Me!
“Beirut Marine bombing was Mossad False Flag Operation”
“ISRAELI FALSE FLAGS AND BETRAYALS”
PLEASE THINK AGAIN!
#34 Dec 8, 2012
The people of the world hates the JEW, muslims wants to destroy the people of the world, including the JEW. muslims will continue what they have been doing for the past 1300+ years which includes murdering, raping, pillaging, mutilating, beheading, rampaging and all the other nice things they do, actually it is irrelevant what Gillard, Carr or any other Australian does or does not. The Palestinians will continue bombarding Israel, Israel will continue building settlements and the UN will continue being the muzzie lovers they are. Americans need to deport the UN.
#35 Dec 8, 2012
I don´t want muslins in ocident but the most evil is the zionists, they control everything and want to destroy the world.
#36 Dec 8, 2012
muslims have flown airplanes into buildings, pushed a man in his wheelchair into the ocean, blew up a nightclub in Bali, bombed buses in London, Madrid, blew up a school killing chldren in beslan, dropped an airplane into a Scottish village, beheaded Daniel Pearl, shot a mother and her 2 daughters in Atlanta, Georgia, have maimed, slaughtered, raped and murdered people on six continents, lob shells and rockets into Israel on a regular basis, have been committing these acts against humans for 1300+ years and you say zionists want to destroy the world. muslims are a destruction crew. zionists, according to you, control the USA, EU, Russia, China, Viet Nam, India, Japan, Philippines, Cuba, Venezuela, Burma, Canada and all points in between. I suppose this includes the penguins in antarctica. Do you use the words zionists and Jews interchangeably or are they different. Harry Truman was a zionist but not Jewish. Auf Wiedersehn
#37 Dec 8, 2012
Cut and paste gray, the same, everyday.
#39 Dec 8, 2012
I promise I'll stop when you go back to your nasty, little Nazi Colony and quit sucking LOYAL American Blood for Zionist Lebensraum:
“NAZI TRAINING OF ZIONIST INVADERS”
EXCERPT “The Ankara document called itself a Proposal of the National Military Organisation (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the side of Germany.(The Ankara document is dated 11 January 1941
“This offer by the NMO ... would be connected to the military training and organising of Jewish manpower in Europe, under the leadership and command of the NMO. These military units would take part in the fight to conquer Palestine, should such a front be decided upon.”CONTINUED
David Yisraeli, The Palestine Problem in German Politics 1889-1945, Bar Ilan University (Ramat Gan, Israel)(1974), pp.315-17. SOURCE
“Nazi Support of Zionism”
EXCERPT “Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo.
Hitler himself personally supported Zionism.
During the 1930's, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.
As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized "Kibbutz" training camps over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of "Israel".
The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 and abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism.
Through this agreement, Hitler's Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930's to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals”CONTINUED.
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects.
In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement.
Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
- Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982
OR.....you could disprove ONE FACT I've Posted but we all know better than to expect anything Honest from a Full Time, Paid and Scripted Hasbarat!
#40 Feb 21, 2013
Israeli's dont burn Australian or American flags. Israeli's dont stone their gay community.
There is freedom of religion in Israel.
Israeli's dont blow up buildings ( Not Unless they are Hamas) Israelis dont commit acts of terror against innocent people.
Israeli's dont circumcise their girls. Israelis dont kick over war graves of dead allied soldiers.
Israelis dont rape and murder Diplomats like Libya. Israel doesnt call for Jihad on the West. Israel doesnt riot in the streets over every perceived little threat or so called insult.
THE ARAB MUSLIMS DO
#41 Feb 21, 2013
Excellent proof you presented, you sound like the mindless dribble the Arabs keep whinging to the West about. You condemn Israel for everything a nation of 4 million trying to survive.
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