RCMP spokesman says police shooting of Houston man horrible tragedy

There are 15 comments on the The Canadian Press story from May 31, 2007, titled RCMP spokesman says police shooting of Houston man horrible tragedy. In it, The Canadian Press reports that:

“It's going to be black and white. You're going to have people who will believe Const. Koester's testimony and you will have people who don't”

(CP) - The fatal shooting of a Houston man by an RCMP officer hasn't significantly hurt the relationship between the community and the RCMP, an RCMP spokesman said Friday.

Cpl. Pierre Lemaitre described the shooting of Ian Bush by Const. Paul Koester as a horrible tragedy that both Koester and the Bush family will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

"I don't get the feeling that this town is ready to revolt or that it's ready to explode," Lemaitre said.

"Certainly that's not the case. I think people have enough humanity to understand the sadness of everyone involved here." Read more

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Klaus Kaczor

Canada

#1 Jun 23, 2007
It seems to me that such a situation would always involve trauma. This is exactly what candidates for the police are supposed to be selected for, trained for, and signed off to protect the community for.
Seeing as the press was so eager for the tape to be released, why not examine it for evidence purposes, not only sympathy generation.
It's not all right for the press to glibly state that the community relations are normal. The RCMP is my police force too, and things aren't "normal" in my personal books.

When faced with a similar situation due to my error and carelessness two decades ago, I proceeded to give the victim 45 minutes of CPR even though my friend and I had been electrocuted and I was positive that the guy had died within 10 minutes of the electrocution.
I am not trained in these situations, yet I had control enough to do what was required of me.
This Mounty's actions as witnessed directly after the shootings were out of all reasonable control which must be a measure of his duty.
If there had been a real need to shoot this man in the head, why would all the self concerned out of control drama, with never a hand to his charge? Ian was in his charge, was he not? The only thing the tape reveals to me is incompetence directly after and hints at out of control incompetence during the shooting event.

I have been ringing a bell on the sidewalks of Robson Square Vancouver and in a loud voice proclaiming, "This bell tolls for Ian Bush, Shot in the back of the head by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police" "Are you tired of police investigating themselves?" and other things that need to be said.
So far thousands have heard me in 15 hours and 256 have signed a petition for more civilian oversight of our police forces.
I call my campaign "Ian's Song" and dedicate it to all those who have faced brutallity at the hands of our police in direct balance to the mounties guilty screaming.
Why this obvious interpretation has never come to the fore in the press is a mystery to me, because every other citizen who stops to talk to me see it this way.
Is the national press core a mouthpiece for murdering mounties?
Many people share my personal corrupt adventures with the police. Sentient Canadians wish me sincere luck and support my efforts.
How about you, had enough of a police force made weak by corrupt, inconpetent, brutal police who investigate themselves and are always found not guilty?

“SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND”

Since: Jun 07

everywhere I'm needed.

#2 Jun 24, 2007
This is yet ANOTHER case where abuse of power has led to an innocent person dying at the hands of the "police".How many cops in Toronto , Ont. have been charged with murder in the last 5 years ?( and I don't mean killings in the line of duty either.)How many have been charged with drug trafficing offenses ? Assault ? Any idea how many have been charged with RAPE , POSESSION OF CHILD PORN , or CHILD MOLESTATION ? Just in Toronto alone ? TOO MANY TO LIST HERE.( www.realdealnews.com ). Check it out for yourself. You should be asking yourself why you never see these articles being published in the newspaper.If they do make the "acceptable for release and public consumption" list , they are delegated to VERY SMALL blurbs in the parts of the newspaper that usually get nothing more than a quick glance.The city cops in both Vancouver , B.C. and Toronto , Ont., as well as the R.C.M.P. have so many criminal cops in their ranks that they should be found to be a criminal GANG.They will be asking for more tax dollars to "investigate themselves" for "evidence" of wrongdoing , and our gov't will just hand it over no questions asked.Do some research on the conduct of the West Vancouver Police dep't and it's members.WHO IS POLICING THE POLICE IN CANADA?????
klaus kaczor

Canada

#3 Jul 1, 2007
I have personally gathered 450 signatures of people who wish to see more police accountability. Many of these people are truly outraged at the behaviour of our police forces, especially the investigation into the death of Ian Bush.
By degradung the level of public trust and respect, their job becomes more difficult and costly to do and every Canadian's safety is decreased. In a country in which there are no controls on the police, tyrany reigns.
I resent the fact that some graduate of Wawota highschool has flagged my post here.
For what reason and to whom are true facts offensive? Small-mindedness ranges further afield than the land of GWB. It is alive in our country and sits astride the path to more effective policing, which is both responsive and responsible to the people whom the forces serve.
No one is served by a criminal police force or even the appearance of one.
This kind of oversight is critical and crucial to the proper functioning of the justice system in any country that wishes to call itself civilized. With a transparent, arms length non-political investigatory institution to safe guard our rights as citizens overseeing our police,respect and trust will facilitate a more lawful social trend. Fair response will generate fair respect and decrease conflict due to poor police response. A society where the police have a political lobby on the laws of the land which is more powerful than the wish of the citizens, is called a police state by definition. Who does the commissioner of the RCMP report to? It would be Stockwell Day. What a dreadful thought for a thinking person that is!
klaus kaczor

Canada

#4 Jul 4, 2007
Cpl. Lemaitre is trying to pursuade me that that this Inquiry into Ian Bush's death will make a difference.
"I respectfully am informing you that sadly, you do not have all the facts. An independant inquiry is being done by the Public Complaints Commisson. "
I understand that there will not be allowed any questioning of the RCMP's evidence, any change of the outcome of the investigation, or any chance of charges being laid against the shooter. This Inquiry proccess is only related to what may happen in the future and developing some guidelines to help in situations like this.
Someone is wrong about their facts and being deceiptful. Someone who works for a deceiptful organization.
Here's what will make a difference in the future: Investigate the crime, not in order to find the shooter innocent because he is a co-worker. Then charge the shooter if their is any hint of a crime having been committed and let him/her be judged by a jury of their peers.
This is the normal way of procceeding with things when there is evidence that a crime has been committed. It is good enough for all Canadians, is it not?
There are many trained civilians expert in crime scene inestigations. How much more would it cost than these useless inquiries, to keep a mobile team of Civilian experts ready to investigate police matters should their special services be neccessary?
We do this for aircrashes in order that the airlines/aircraft manufacturers don't handle these important fact finding searches themselves.
Would you trust the airlines more or less if they were self policing?
The trust a community must have in their police officers must be based on a truly ethical foundation, built by reputation, not political spin. Otherwise you have the poor results that we currently see surrounding us no matter which community one rides in in Canada. Everyday a boldly rising tide of reporting poor policing incidents, brings to light the poor leaking shape our policing institutions are in.
Facts

Quesnel, Canada

#5 Jul 4, 2007
The case of Kevin St. Arnaud
In the Vanderhoof case, a recently concluded inquest only increased the level of concern. The testimony of the officer involved was contradicted by five other witnesses including a second RCMP officer who was present.
Once again, the young officer who fired his gun said he acted in self-defence. Const. Sheremetta said he was called to a break-in at the local pharmacy and chased the suspect, Kevin St. Arnaud, across a snow-covered soccer field. But then, he said, St. Arnaud turned on him with what he called "a death look," while reaching for his pocket and saying, "you're gonna have to shoot me." Sheremetta said he slipped and fell onto his back, then, fearing for his life, fired upwards at St. Arnaud. He testified that St. Arnaud was "almost overtop of me."
"The bottom line is, to me, the guy had surrendered."
Abe Klassen, eyewitness to shooting of Kevin St. Arnaud of Vanderhoof, B.C.
The forensic evidence did not back up Sheremetta's story. Nor did his partner, Colleen Erickson.
A 24-year veteran of the RCMP, Erickson is now on leave and serving as chief of the Saikuz First Nation, just outside Vanderhoof. She said the RCMP ordered her not to speak to the CBC but, in her testimony at the inquest, she said she was close enough to see the muzzle flash from Sheremetta's gun. He did not fall down and did not fire upwards, she said. Rather, he was standing in what she called "a police shooting stance feet apart." Nor did she hear St. Arnaud say, "You're gonna have to shoot me."
Three forensic experts also testified that the shots had to have been fired from some five metres away and that the bullets entered St. Arnaud's body on a downwards, not upwards, trajectory.
The fifth witness to contradict Sheremetta was Abe Klassen, a retired logger who was passing by. He stopped to watch and says he saw St. Arnaud "surrender."
"The guy threw up his hands, and turned around and was going towards the police," said Klassen, adding that he could not understand why the officer fired. Read an excerpt of the interview.
RCMP spokesman Cpl. Pierre Lemaitre said the force knew that Sheremetta's version would not fit with the other evidence, but stood by him anyway. Read an excerpt of the interview.
In this case, too, there's a lack of trust in the RCMP's internal investigation.
Facts

Quesnel, Canada

#6 Jul 4, 2007
The above case is similar to the Ian Bush case , the towns are close together . In both cases the police are highly suspect . The mothers of both of the young men are giving each other support .
klaus kaczor

Canada

#7 Jul 5, 2007
You are correct Facts, but there is so much more that never sees the light of day because our national press is a mouthpiece for the ruling class, the lawless institutions.

The law of the jungle rules in Canada and the police only reflect the lawlessness of their leaders, as does the rest of society in general.

See for yourselves: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/03/3563...

Look at the correction below.

"A country where the citizens are not sharp enough to understand when the law is broken before their eyes, has a bleak future."

Part of the bleak future that I predict is a police state, where the guys with guns get to murder us, not just natives as in the past, white men too, with impunity.

And many Canadians are totally unable to see that the solution is simply--- Control by civilian oversight.

They think that brutality equals good policing.

They believe in the right-wing lies to our county's/society's detriment and safety, because they are too ignorant to inform themselves of the issues or get involved.

Why people don't get involved is because primaly they understand that there is no chance for any input where there is not yet democracy.

Aren't you tired of 140 years of costly poor government/policing?

Where is the justice for you, John Graham, me?
klaus kaczor

Canada

#8 Jul 5, 2007
Sorry I forgot: Ian Bush, Neil Stonechild, JJ Harper, Paul Frank, Mr. Riggs or Biggs here in Vancouver bludgeoned to death by the VPD and many more...

These are only a few of the long list of executions without trial by police that I am sure blots our history.

Surely there must be other people reading this who could add the names of more Canadians who have died at the hands of the police under questionable circumstances, or beaten within an inch of their lives without recourse?

If our citizens weren't cowed into such submissive state by our brutal police and lack of democracy this list would grow exponentially.

Rather, like Americans, we would let our troops stand up for freedoms, democracy, safety from police and justice elsewhere, which we don't have here yet.
Reality Chick

Sarnia, Canada

#9 Jul 6, 2007
"Surely there must be other people reading this who could add the names of more Canadians who have died at the hands of the police under questionable circumstances, or beaten within an inch of their lives without recourse?"

Terry Hanna, 51 Burnaby, BC - April 19, 2003
Clayton Willey, 33 Prince George, BC - July 22, 2003
Clark Whitehouse, 34 Whitehorse, YK - September 2003
Ronald Perry, 28 Edmonton, AB - March 23, 2004
Roman Andreichikov, 25 Vancouver, BC - May 1, 2004
Peter Lamonday, 33 London, ON - May 13, 2004
Robert Bagnell, 44 Vancouver, BC - June 23, 2004
Jerry Knight, 29 Mississauga, ON - July 17, 2004
Samuel Truscott, 43 Kingston, ON - August 8, 2004
Kevin Geldart, 34 Moncton, NB - May 5, 2005
Gurmeet Sandhu, 41 Surrey, BC - June 30, 2005
James Foldi, 39 Beamsville, ON - July 1, 2005
Paul Saulnier, 42 Digby, NS - July 15, 2005
Alesandro Fiacco, 33 Edmonton, AB - December 24, 2005
Jason Doan, 28 Red Deer, AB - August 30, 2006

See http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com
klaus kaczor

Canada

#10 Jul 6, 2007
Thanks for your input Reality Chick. I see that this list only goes back to 2003 April. Are they all Taser incidents?
Can anyone imagine the true length of this list if we were to expand it to include the last 50 years??

Where is CPl Lemaitre and his propaganda now?

If ever there was a liar it would be Cpl Pierre Lemaitre, telling me about how much difference this Inquiry into Ian Bush's death will make.

Is this what over a century of proud RCMP history has devolved to?

Deception and political spin in lui of performance?
Reality Chick

Napanee, Canada

#11 Jul 6, 2007
Yes, Klaus - the list I provided represents the 15 people who have died in police custody in Canada proximal to taser use.

Another non-taser related name that comes to mind is Jeffrey Berg.
klaus kaczor

Canada

#12 Jul 6, 2007
Yes Reality, I meant him when I hinted around at Rigg. There's Dudley George, too!

What about incompetence/fraudulent convictions against the innocent?

Paul Morin, Steven Truscott

I'm going down to Canada Place, Vancouver, to support my native brothers at noon today.

If you are in Vancouver why not come sign my campaign "Ian's Song" in support of more police accountability, Please!

Support our natives here before we spill more blood supporting whatever in Afghanistan, please!
Friedrich Felici

Canada

#13 Aug 2, 2007
A badge is a licence to murder in Canada. The coroner and blood-splatter expert both said the man was executed, according to the local radio.
Some years ago there was a study done by a police officer that said of the deaths in Canada caused by police confrontation in every single one the person who died sought to be killed. He called it 'death by cop.'
I think this latest episode is another fine example of suicide by cop; they murder you and claim it was suicide.
What's next? Canadian death squads?

“Make striaght your paths.”

Since: May 07

Smithers,BC, Canada

#14 Aug 3, 2007
I have been following this story since it happened.

I know some of the friends of this young man, as I grew up in the next town.

The constable responsible for his death was at Ian Bush's sisters birthday party two weeks earlier. The young RCMP member apparently had other involvment of a negative sort with members of Ian Bush's friends and family, according to what I have heard.

This did not appear in the inquiry. I think the young cop had a big chip on his shoulder.

As far as the investigation is concerned, it seems the RCMP did more to cover the circumstances for a year than they did to allow a fair investigation.

If there were no guilt on the part of the RCMP then there would be no reason to keep evidence from the family and media concerning the death. As it is they appear guilty (and I thikk they are) of murder, and conspiracy to mislead an investigation.

I for one have been inapropriately handled by RCMP members in my town during my youth. I have seen RCMP lie on the witness stand, even against the testimony of the Auxilary RCMP that also gave evidence. They are highly trained in criminology, and know which corners to cut.

RCMP should not investigate themselves, moreover they should never be allowed in a detachment with a prisoner alone.

I'm surprised Koester never got lynched.
klaus kaczor

Canada

#15 Aug 6, 2007
The RCMP has directly outed me for risking my life for the safety of my community.

This was done to keep me from coming against a cop who left me injured and ran into the night after their diog attacked me.

There was no criminal history on me ecept this good deed which I did more than a decade before, on an ethical basis, after the idiot multiple murderer who couldn't help but bragg about his deed made me an accesory after the fact.

That fact is true. Do I worry about dying for my ethical stand.

Better to die a brave man who is concerned for for his fellow citizens thean a cowardly cop who gets away with murder.

Only those who fear the consequences of truth, hide behind uniforms and colours for their courage. There is no difference between police organizations and the organized criminals they purport to chase.

Exactly the same situation as was rampant during prohibition.

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