Catholic schools fail to support gay students with their new club policy.

Jan 31, 2012 Full story: The Toronto Star 54

Only a bunch of bishops more comfortable debating the finer points of church doctrine than the needs of teenagers would think that gay students will want to hang out in a "respecting differences club." It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

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Dan

Milwaukee, WI

#46 Feb 6, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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President Obama just may have lost the election.
"The president signed off on a Health and Human Services ruling that says that under ObamaCare, Catholic institutions -- including charities, hospitals and schools -- will be required by law, for the first time ever, to provide and pay for insurance coverage that includes contraceptives, abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization procedures. If they do not, they will face ruinous fines in the millions of dollars. Or they can always go out of business.
In other words, the Catholic Church was told this week that its institutions can't be Catholic anymore.
I invite you to imagine the moment we are living in without the church's charities, hospitals and schools. And if you know anything about those organizations, you know it is a fantasy that they can afford millions in fines.
There was no reason to make this ruling -- none. Except ideology.
The conscience clause, which keeps the church itself from having to bow to such decisions, has always been assumed to cover the church's institutions.
Now the church is fighting back. Priests in an estimated 70% of parishes last Sunday came forward to read strongly worded protests from the church's bishops. The ruling asks the church to abandon Catholic principles and beliefs; it is an abridgment of the First Amendment; it is not acceptable. They say they will not bow to it. They should never bow to it, not only because they are Catholic and cannot be told to take actions that deny their faith, but because they are citizens of the United States.
If they stay strong and fight, they will win. This is in fact a potentially unifying moment for American Catholics, long split left, right and center. Catholic conservatives will immediately and fully oppose the administration's decision. But Catholic liberals, who feel embarrassed and undercut, have also come out in opposition.
The church is split on many things. But do Catholics in the pews want the government telling their church to contravene its beliefs? A president affronting the leadership of the church, and blithely threatening its great institutions? No, they don't want that. They will unite against that.
The smallest part of this story is political. There are 77.7 million Catholics in the United States. In 2008 they made up 27% of the electorate, about 35 million people. Mr. Obama carried the Catholic vote, 54% to 45%. They helped him win.
They won't this year. And guess where a lot of Catholics live? In the battleground states.
There was no reason to pick this fight. It reflects political incompetence on a scale so great as to make Mitt Romney's gaffes a little bitty thing.
There was nothing for the president to gain, except, perhaps, the pleasure of making a great church bow to him.
Enjoy it while you can. You have awakened a sleeping giant."
A Battle the President Can't Win
By Peggy Noonan (Archive) Saturday, February 4, 2012
As usual, Noonan hits it on the head.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#47 Feb 6, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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President Obama just may have lost the election.......
In other words, the Catholic Church was told this week that its institutions can't be Catholic anymore.

I invite you to imagine the moment we are living in without the church's charities, hospitals and schools. And if you know anything about those organizations, you know it is a fantasy that they can afford millions in fines.
There was no reason to make this ruling -- none. Except ideology.
The next dictatorial will be that they have to teach Muslimism
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#48 Feb 6, 2012
And homosexual "rights"
Dan

Milwaukee, WI

#49 Feb 6, 2012
yon wrote:
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The next dictatorial will be that they have to teach Muslimism
It's "Islam", and Islam is threatened by this edict along with every religious institution in the country.

The President, for reasons known but to God, has decided that the free exercise clause is subject to his and Kathleen Sebelius' definition.

It's not.
Dan

Milwaukee, WI

#50 Feb 6, 2012
yon wrote:
And homosexual "rights"
Homosexuals HAVE rights.

C'mon, yon.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#51 Feb 7, 2012
Homosexuals only have rights granted by atheist and corrupt civil governments - but none when it comes from the Creator as they are unrepentant.
Dan

Milwaukee, WI

#52 Feb 7, 2012
yon wrote:
Homosexuals only have rights granted by atheist and corrupt civil governments - but none when it comes from the Creator as they are unrepentant.
yon-

They are people, like you and I. Lighten up a bit.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#53 Feb 7, 2012
I don't make this up. I don't know any of your references.

Lexicon Results
Strong's G4202 - porneia - 26 times in KJV

1) illicit sexual intercourse

a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

2) metaph. the worship of idols

a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#54 Feb 7, 2012
Romans 1:32 "and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them."
David

UK

#56 Mar 6, 2012
Catholic boy from Catholic school was confused until he was 20 - wanna read about it and how the Catholic religion was interpreted during his first gay relationship?

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Santa Maria

Philadelphia, PA

#57 Mar 11, 2012
people infiltrate catholic schools and churches to push their agenda and get media attention...

It isn't about equal rights...it is about pushing a lifestyle down everyone else's throats and it is also a huge money maker as well..

Also, anti-Catholicism is well promoted here because born again christians and other religions feel the same way. I guess the goal is to destroy the Catholic church, then destroy the rest of christianity...which will never happen.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

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#58 Mar 11, 2012
Santa Maria wrote:
people infiltrate catholic schools and churches to push their agenda and get media attention...
It isn't about equal rights...it is about pushing a lifestyle down everyone else's throats and it is also a huge money maker as well..
Also, anti-Catholicism is well promoted here because born again christians and other religions feel the same way. I guess the goal is to destroy the Catholic church, then destroy the rest of christianity...which will never happen.
You don't see it destroying itself?
paul shykora arts

Calgary, Canada

#59 Mar 12, 2012
Dan wrote:
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I could have missed that, Pat.
Maybe they fund them a bit up there in Canada.
The rest of my post still applies.
Why would you believe that they wouldn't be "concerned" about any gay kids that may be attending?
..the church has it's own rules',here...eh...
paul shykora arts

Calgary, Canada

#60 Mar 12, 2012
Santa Maria wrote:
people infiltrate catholic schools and churches to push their agenda and get media attention...
It isn't about equal rights...it is about pushing a lifestyle down everyone else's throats and it is also a huge money maker as well..
Also, anti-Catholicism is well promoted here because born again christians and other religions feel the same way. I guess the goal is to destroy the Catholic church, then destroy the rest of christianity...which will never happen.
..most agree,here...eh..(+)...

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