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Dannyboy

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Were any of you influenced by the claim that 'Not one single investor has lost a single dollar' through Harvest, or anything similar? That is patently false. If you were I'd be willing to provide my info to any lawyer pursuing a claim.
Some of the stuff they used to sell was really bad. Google Payday Today USA.

I actually sent in a complaint to the ASC but they ignored it.
another sorry investor

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#104
Apr 4, 2012
 
Lorne wrote:
ďDisgustedĒ how about this, you disclose who you are and then Iíll bet you $1000 on this forum that Ron gets multiple sanctions by the ASC, never gets his EMD back and then this all gets sent to the RCMP???
I only know what Iíve read through on the filings on E/Y site, looked at the OMs that I unfortunately signed off on and talked to some other agents and I think you must be an agent of Ronís. Who the hell is Kyle Brown and why do you keep bringing him up, stick with the facts.
Kyle Brown is with www.foundationinvestorsucc.com
A group of investors that have organized and have a say in the proceedings with the Monitor. the web site will fill you in
Angry with Beyer

Airdrie, Canada

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Roy Beyer? It's good to see others speak up. I wish this forum was around two years ago so the newest investors could have avoided all this.

Read up on him this guy got kicked out of the ministry....how bad do you have to be to be kicked out of an actual church?

He is a classic Granny slammer, I was at an event two years ago when the cracks started showing up and a little old lady got up and said that she gave her whole life savings to one of ROYS sales people and then mentioned that he got her to leverage her home and place it into Harvest product.

Roy actually denied he had anything to do with that except another investor had a brochure that came from Roy that described how taking money out of your home and placing it into FROG would make you 10% on your money?

Maybe Roy can show all these senior citizens how they can save there homes and not get kicked out in there retirement. How do we find out how many old people they scammed this way?
Tim

Airdrie, Canada

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Newsflash!!!! Who is now doing all the marketing for Harvest and the Noel Winter circus act; ROY BEYER. The agent that I hung up on was dumb enough to rub that into the conversation after he told me how much money I've lost.

These guys are all insane and need to be thrown in jail.
sam

Edmonton, Canada

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#107
Apr 4, 2012
 
does anyone know what's happening with Foundation Place?, the office complex that they were going to build in Calgary?
Keeping A Cool Head

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I also attended the meeting at Harvest on March 29th and have been reviewing all correspondence received from the UCC. Going over all of the above posts it seems as though there is much mud slinging & name calling which is understandable as everyone is concerned about their money but being an investor myself (in all projects excluding Legacy) I am smart enough to know that any investment made carries risk, hence the risk form we all signed at the time we invested (you know the page that had WARNING on it). It seems as though some of the above investors did not do any due diligence on their own behalf until the fire got hot....shame on you! It seems as though everyone was happy when they were receiving their distributions for projects that were paying out on a regular basis but as soon as things started to change and the fire got hot due to unforeseen circumstances they automatically turn hateful and mean (which I guess is normal for some as they don't want to admit it was themselves that wrote the cheque for the investment to begin with). Tell me, how many of you above have experience in land development or any valid credentials in this field? I for one do not feel comfortable knowing that the return of my investments are being put in the hands of a bunch of hot headed investors that are all about mud slinging & name calling. Although some of the posted information is helpful to investors, the rest is nothing short of a big gossip fest with inaccurate information which doesn't help investors to make a rational decision in regards to their investments. Now that some of you have all vented it is time to take your blinders off and look at the big picture and the long term affects of these projects. I don't feel that all is lost, and if you think that replacing the current management team is the way to go.....be careful what you wish for! Has anyone taken the time to think who may be interested in going to the court with their application for CRO?? Maybe you should take the time to ask Ms. Shurko that question and keep in mind that an appointed CRO will cost us. It is my opinion that the UCC is not required. We have a better chance of getting accurate information from the Monitor (E&Y). The UCC is just costing us more money in legal fees.

Perhaps going forward the UCC should give all the bondholders a chance to receive & hear the restructuring plan of the current management team before ďThe UCC wishes move as quickly as possible to appoint the CROĒ(quoted from their FAQ) instead of trying to acquire court orders to prevent the current management team from reaching out to their investors with the plan.

Are they scarred investors may actually like the new plan therefore eliminating the chance of appointing a new CRO who is waiting in the wings to submit his application? I think all investors in these projects have the right to hear what the current management team has to say so they can make their own decision!

People, you gotta wake up! do not base your decision on bits and pieces of information from the few postings above. Take it upon yourself and listen to the new plans going forward. Do not depend on hearsay. Get out there and listen with your own two ears then make a decision when it is time to vote.
Robert Murray

Calgary, Canada

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QUOTE who="Keeping A Cool Head" It seems as though everyone was happy when they were receiving their distributions for projects that were paying out on a regular basis but as soon as things started to change and the fire got hot due to unforeseen circumstances they automatically turn hateful and mean.

The facts are that Ron got caught investing money elsewhere and the pot ran dry!! Then the ambers got hot (not unforeseen circumstances) as he no longer could bluff these investments and due dates came without him being able to meet them..The people started to make inquiries.Then things really got hot!!

As an example in FROG. There were so many red flags. Making an acquisition and marking the units up from 10 to $12, and telling the investors they had a capital appreciation. Paying the investors regular 'cash flows', as if it was an actual return on investment, when they were actually just a return of our capital. Isn't that just the definition of a Ponzi.

And the proof is that these accounts have NO money in them!!
Keeping A Cool Head

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Well I also am a FROG investor but FROG has nothing to do with these syndicated land projects. FROG has not applied for CCAA. If you seen so many red flags then why did you invest in FROGÖ.or did you??

Harvest has been in business for over 16 years with successful projects but people only seem to focus on the negative. The way I see it is Mr. Aitkens could have easily let these syndicated projects go into receivership at maturity and left us all high and dry but he didnít. He is standing by his investors and trying to rectify the matter in the best interest of all bondholders. I donít believe there was any fraudulent or criminal intent on his part. If there was I donít think he would stick around and subject himself to all the accusations that have been going his way. Business decisions were made, either right or wrong he is still here working for us. Our money isnít lost yet and I am willing to wait as long as it takes. If I get my principal back I will be more than happy with that. It doesnít take a rocket scientist to know that if the land is sold now there is no chance of any of us benefitting from our investments.

The mud slinging & innuendos do not help all the other investors that are scarred to view their opinions for fear they will get slammed down by those who canít seem to see past the end of their nose at the much larger and possibly better outcome of all this.

I am assuming that everyoneís opinions matter in this forum whether negative or positive and investors and/or agents should respect the opinions of others and not slam them down because they may not be the same as their own. Basilís post is a perfect example of this READ THIS AGAIN IF YOUR DYSLECTIC! Shame on you!
postman56

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I don't believe Robert was suggesting FROG had anything to do with the investments now under CCAA,it's the same story line though! I am a FROG investor and in my view it's a complete debacle.
I work in the Oil and Gas industry,I did my due diligence, spoke to the Engineers,spoke to the land men etc,but I didn't invest in a firm that was going to spend 15 million drilling two conventional vertical wells!! Yikes!! And now when we ask the hard questions, they won't divulge them.
The lack of communications from all of these investments are nobody's problem but The Harvest Groups,and now that the problems are getting out,their running to cover up the mess.
Dannyboy

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Keeping A Cool Head, how can you say you invested based on Harvest's 16 year history. They sold some real stinkers in the past, like Payday Today USA and the Land Development Company, and at least one other scam. I understood they resold a few half decent Redev Development projects, but it is wrong to conclude that would mean they could develop their own successful project. Also, why would you invest with a guy who could not even run a small church successfully.
I think Ron should go back to being the Medicine Hat Nut Man.
Dannyboy

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Robert Murray, you are the only other person I've heard of that realized that FROG's mark up of unit value was not appropriate, and that the cash distributions were just a return of capital.
Of course I complained to the ASC, but they did nothing.
I got in many argument with one of their salesmen about these issues, but he wasn't smart enough to know he was lying. That's what happens when you hire people who couldn't make it in the ministry, rather than people with business degrees.
Iam Gomm

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That's hysterical Sharon!! Brilliant Catch LOL!!
Keeping A Cool Head

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Sharon Walters wrote:
I think we have trolls amongst us for I've heard the same quotes from two salesman/employees of this junk in the last few weeks!!
"If Harvest was just looking to get out, they could do that quite easily and legally".
"if he wanted to he could of just ran off and not dealt with any of this"
"Mr. Aitkens could have easily let these syndicated projects go into receivership at maturity and left us all high and dry but he didnít. He is standing by his investors and trying to rectify the matter in the best interest of all bondholders"
Hummm... It doesn't pass the smell test boys!
Oh I see how this forum works. It seems to be one sided and if someone doesn't agree with your opinion he/she is automatically labeled a troll LOL Hate to disappoint you Sharon but there are hundreds of investors out there that do no agree with the few of you on here....I happen to be one of them. Below is an email I received from another investor that is quite concerned about their investment and the actions of the UCC.

"Nicole I think you need to give your head a shake. Your job is to work with Harvest and inform the investors of the latest on their investments with accurate information ,not hearsay .The UCC is not required as there happens to be a monitor in place already (Ernest &Young) which i'm sure you know . Myself and many others know the downturn in the economy caused the downslide in the realestate prices and will pick up again..History repeats itself or did you not live long enough to learn that valuable lesson ? The last thing the investors need is to have to pay out of their investment dollars big bucks for a new CRO no matter what his motives are .So my advice to you is not let someone plant a seed and you run with it .
The UCC has no moral ethics ,if they did the UCC would be closed down,but no they would rather rip off the investors using their investment money to pay their legal fees .Where is the ethics in that train of thought ? I for one would rather wait for the realestate prices to go back up than to line a new CRO's pockets with our money and yourself I might add.
Have a great day"
Keeping A Cool Head

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Yes I agree...the investors must get out there and vote for what "they" feel is right for them. VOTE people!! For if you do not, you do not have the right to criticize the outcome.
Keeping A Cool Head

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Dannyboy wrote:
Keeping A Cool Head, how can you say you invested based on Harvest's 16 year history. They sold some real stinkers in the past, like Payday Today USA and the Land Development Company, and at least one other scam. I understood they resold a few half decent Redev Development projects, but it is wrong to conclude that would mean they could develop their own successful project. Also, why would you invest with a guy who could not even run a small church successfully.
I think Ron should go back to being the Medicine Hat Nut Man.
Gee, I don't know Dannyboy....I guess it is possible I invested with them for the same reason you did....or did you?? If you didn't then maybe your opinion doesn't matter where investment dollars are concerned. but if you are a "Troll" for Redev I guess getting in your digs when the competition is down would be appropriate for your way of thinking.
Dannyboy

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Cool Head, my opinion matters because I still have my money and you don't. I looked at their history - things like The Land Development Company, and Payday Today USA, as well as Roy Beyer's involvement in the Parklane Group, and said no way! I also looked at how Ron ran a couple churches into the ground in Medicine Hat.
You, on the other hand, looked at what they said their history was, and gladly gave them your money.

You completely side stepped the issue of their previous bad history, simply calling me a troll instead. Guess what, that isn't going to get you your money back!

I'm not a troll for Redev, I don't even know if they are still going.
My point was that Harvest's good projects were Redev's. You took a look at their selling of someone else's projects and considered that a valid qualification to sell their own. That is like thinking Woodridge Ford could design and build their own sports car.
Keeping A Cool Head

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#123
Apr 5, 2012
 
I don't think I side stepped the issue at all. Dannyboy,as you admitted that you are a non investor and you "still have your money" then your opinion doesn't matter to me. You are not educating investors with accurate information, sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Mr. Aitkens and Roy Beyer. As I said before, I wouldn't base my vote on mud slinging from someone that doesn't even have an interest in these proceedings. This Payday Today USA??? I have yet to see anywhere that Mr. Aitkens was involved in that. You better go back to your source.
Randy

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Found this in the Vancouver Sun and while reading it noticed some striking similarities, take a read and see what you think.

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Former+V...
WiseUp

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#125
Apr 5, 2012
 
So Calgary Guy what was your findings from the Harvest meeting?
Calgary Guy

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#126
Apr 5, 2012
 
WiseUp wrote:
So Calgary Guy what was your findings from the Harvest meeting?
Have a read about a page back - there are a couple of synopsis of the meeting.

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