Kim Proctor: Teen's Body Found Burned...

Kim Proctor: Teen's Body Found Burned in Victoria

There are 1901 comments on the NowPublic story from Mar 24, 2010, titled Kim Proctor: Teen's Body Found Burned in Victoria. In it, NowPublic reports that:

The body of Kimberly Proctor, an 18-year-old girl from Victoria, British Columbia, was found along Galloping Goose Trail, a wooded area popular with joggers and cyclists during the day, and with partying students at night.

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Qwer

Canada

#1239 Apr 12, 2011
wow just utterly disgusted at that! Paramedics joking with their son. People who are in the " business" if saving lives! I in a way feel a bit sorry for Kruse's mother it must of been devastating to bear his son. To have been intimate with a rapist and murderer. That's gotta mess a woman up emotionally and mentally. Sadly Cameron and Kruse's Girlfriends don't share Nadine's feelings for the psychopaths.

Kruse's history and gene pool and obviously a lack of discipline and maybe supports for Kruse's mother considering the story of her life. What's Cameron's excuse the whole lolli pop conversation with Cameron is really saddening. What's equally so is Kimmy's low self esteem. People will probably get angry about me saying this but the whole " Kimberly the animal loving angel " doesn't really add up her profile on vampire freaks her low self esteem it's all very sad. In no way did she deserve what happened to her but it speaks to the need for mothers, women, and society to foster self worth and positive self image in young girls. For Dads, Uncles, Brothers etc to show better examples of how women should be treated! For god sakes we have to figure out how to put an end to bullying in schools. Kimberly should have never went to see them or felt the need too. The reasons why should be brought up!

Just My Opinion.
Child of the Corn

Vancouver, Canada

#1240 Apr 12, 2011
Kruse and mom talk

Teen killers Kruse Wellwood and Cameron Moffat may share a lust for rape and mutilation, but their relationships with their parents couldn't be more different, according to newly released evidence.

Transcripts of telephone conversations and prison visits between the two boys who murdered 18-year-old Kimberly Proctor and their parents were made public this week. All of the conversations took place in June and July, after the boys were arrested for the March 18, 2010 murder in Langford, B.C.

The transcripts reveal that 16-year-old Wellwood's conversations with mother Nadine typically devolved into angry arguments and attempts at emotional manipulation, while 17-year-old Moffat joked with his parents and listened to their advice.

Kruse and Nadine Wellwood spoke by telephone on June 22, 2010, after Nadine brought her son a suit for court appearances. The pants were too big and the jacket was too small, Kruse says, and he berates his mother for not writing down the correct size.

"You did a very bad job listening to me when I expressly told you my sizes," Kruse says. "I expect that I'd be able to talk to you and I'd be able to tell you something and you'd be able to y'know, at least understand what I told you."

When she protests that the reception during their last conversation was poor, he calls that a "bullshit" excuse.

"Look Mom, there's nothing I can do being in here. So, I'm relying very heavily on you and you've been failing me every single time."

Nadine visited Kruse in prison on July 4, 2010. After a brief discussion about books -- Herman Hesse's "Siddhartha" in particular -- Nadine advises her son to plead guilty to raping and murdering Proctor.

"Look, just keep your fuckin' face out of it. I know what I'm doing. Understand that?" Kruse answers.

His mother tells him that she's afraid of him and that he violated her home by carrying out the brutal attack on Proctor in the family's garage while Nadine was out of the province.

"You have to understand that I can't support you in any way.... Like, if they were to put you on bail I'm not gonna take you in the house....‘Cause I don't feel safe," Nadine says.

Her son's answer is anything but reassuring.

"If you weren't safe you would already be dead," Kruse says.

The conversation also turns to Kruse's father and fellow murderer, Robert Dezwaan, who is currently in jail for killing 16-year-old Cherish Oppenheim near Merritt in 2001. Nadine says that father and son have left her equally frightened.

"You can't feel safe in your house when you have to guard why you say and do because you're worried that somebody is going to freak out," she says.

"I had the same thing with your dad.... You guys have no guilt, and no conscience, and some strange sense of, oh what was that word, narcissism."

She goes on to suggest that sociopathy is genetic and that Kruse inherited the gene from his father.

Kruse responds by disagreeing at first, and then suggesting that if what she says is true, she is directly responsible for his crimes.

"If you're telling me that it's the sociopath gene and I can't control it, then you giving birth to me is the cause of everything in my life. Everything I've ever done, I can't control myself," he says.

He later says that he loves his girlfriend more than his mother.

"Do you know why I love her and not you to the same degree?" Kruse asks his mother. "Because she's better than you, better. To me, she has more value as a person ‘cause she gives me more reason to love her."
Child of the Corn

Vancouver, Canada

#1241 Apr 12, 2011
Cam and parents talk

In contrast, Cameron Moffat seems to have a much easier relationship with his parents, listening to their advice and joking with them about buffing up in prison.

In a June 26, 2010 prison visit, his mother Sarah Moffat told him he should do push-ups in his cell.

"Try and remember about mind, body and spirit and don't get soft, okay?" she tells her son.

Father George Moffat pipes in with an example, albeit not a particularly analogous one: "Nelson Mandela was in jail for 27 years and he got in pretty good shape."

When Sarah tells Cameron, a pudgy boy, that she hopes he has a "six-pack," or a washboard stomach, when he gets out of jail, he answers, "By the time I get out I'll have a 32-pack."

The Moffats bring their son a blank notebook, but advise him to be careful about what he writes in it.

"Don't draw little guys running around with daggers stuck through their heads or stuff like that. That'll get you in shit," George says.

When he talks to his mother again by phone on July 5, 2010, a day before a court appearance, Cameron listens to his mother's advice about sitting quietly and shaving in the morning.

She also suggests he should show some remorse: "If you feel bad about it you need to let people know you feel bad about it, because this is a very bad thing."

Cameron replies that his "dignity" is getting in the way of that.

Despite that brief disagreement, the conversation ends with the two expressing their love for each other, and Sarah promising her son she'd do at least 60 sit-ups that day.
jed

Anonymous Proxy

#1242 Apr 13, 2011
Those conversations are pretty damning - for the Moffats. I always had some suspicion those posts on here from Wellwood's mother weren't actually from her. She's hardly defending him in those conversations and tells him to plead guilty.

The Moffats seem to think it's some sort of big joke. If anyone should be run out of town it's them.

Since: Mar 11

Victoria, Canada

#1243 Apr 13, 2011
jed wrote:
Those conversations are pretty damning - for the Moffats. I always had some suspicion those posts on here from Wellwood's mother weren't actually from her. She's hardly defending him in those conversations and tells him to plead guilty.
The Moffats seem to think it's some sort of big joke. If anyone should be run out of town it's them.
I totally agree. I feel a little bad for Nadine. But those Moffats....seriously??
Unbelievable.
Jenn

Victoria, Canada

#1244 Apr 13, 2011
Where do all these family members live? Would love to know where the moffats and nadine live...
Slap These Teens

Victoria, Canada

#1246 Apr 13, 2011
I showed you this link once before....

http://cemsqic.myworldbloglive.com/...
Maria

Calgary, Canada

#1247 Apr 13, 2011
The Moffat parents are unbelievable. How do they sleep at night? NO wonder both of their kids are f*&^% up! Give it time and we will be reading about his sister.
slateblue

Canada

#1248 Apr 13, 2011
push ups????? effing unbelievable. I know that parents love their children unconditionally and all that jazz, but come on!
No wonder both kids are screwed up. What a crappy family.

Push ups! Unbelievable! That's all she cares about? Pushups??? I hope this "mother" is reading this. And I hope she thinks long and hard about what her spawn has done. Effing disaster she is.

Nadine is no better IMO, she is neglectful but at least she doesn't joke about push ups.

She should just disown kruse, maybe then he will smarten up. that's her problem though - no back bone.
jay

Oxford, UK

#1249 Apr 13, 2011
full audio conversation between kruse and nadine

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi3qmu_audio...

i really don't think nadine's that bad as people make out. kruse was already born when his father murdered that girl, it's not her fault kruse is the way he is, not her fault that she was born like kruse tries to say - takes 2 to tango. she says she tried to bring kruse up to be different. i believe that, call me gullible but i think she was too scared to punish him and walla, this is what happens. honestly if i was her i would probably be suicidal right now. i really do feel sorry for her, i think she's handling it well. how would you feel if the two guys (hey, does kruse have siblings?) in your life were murderers and treated you that way? probably worthless...

Since: Mar 11

Canada

#1250 Apr 13, 2011
Thankfully kruse is an only child
shake my head

Saanichton, Canada

#1251 Apr 13, 2011
where are these dozens of transcripts cbc is saying have been released?
Maria

Calgary, Canada

#1252 Apr 13, 2011
shake my head wrote:
where are these dozens of transcripts cbc is saying have been released?
go back a few pages someone posted the links.
shake my head

Saanichton, Canada

#1253 Apr 13, 2011
I was meaning the new apparent transcripts of the parent conversations and the text messages between the boys planning the attack???
Maria

Calgary, Canada

#1254 Apr 13, 2011
okay gotcha. I have seen those ones come out yet. Maybe the ones between the boys was just to graphic and no one to publish it out of respect for the Proctors?
Maria

Calgary, Canada

#1255 Apr 13, 2011
I meant haven't seen them.
Just me

Vancouver, Canada

#1256 Apr 13, 2011
Just a reminder today is the start of the placement hearing to see if they go directly to adult fed or stay in juvey till they are 20. Kruse's lawyer will be arguing to keep him in juvey as he is very scared of what will happen to him in the big house. Poor baby, what about Kim's fear that day? I say let him start his punishment in adult and stop coddling this fiend.
slateblue

Canada

#1257 Apr 13, 2011
Just me wrote:
Just a reminder today is the start of the placement hearing to see if they go directly to adult fed or stay in juvey till they are 20. Kruse's lawyer will be arguing to keep him in juvey as he is very scared of what will happen to him in the big house. Poor baby, what about Kim's fear that day? I say let him start his punishment in adult and stop coddling this fiend.
I can't wait for the result of the hearing.

I again, hope the judge will do the right thing.
Their argument is that he is scared? wow, if that's all they have got, I say that ain't much. Scared, eh?

His fear is nothing compared to what Kim went through. Ef...ing bastard scum.
Crantz

Canada

#1258 Apr 13, 2011
Maria wrote:
okay gotcha. I have seen those ones come out yet. Maybe the ones between the boys was just to graphic and no one to publish it out of respect for the Proctors?
I too have been looking for those. I have read several places that dozens of wiretap transcripts and online intercepts have been released. From what I understand, the Proctor family want all the evidence to become public so that people can get the full impact of what happened. As unfortunate as it is nowadays, it seems that headlines of "Rape and murder" no longer have much of an impact; people following the details of this case are aware that what happened here is unimaginably worse.
Island Life

Victoria, Canada

#1259 Apr 13, 2011

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