Racist Tim Hortons sign prompts calls for boycott

May 30, 2007 Full story: CTV.ca 233

“This is not something we tolerate and it is not reflective of Tim Hortons”

Tim Hortons is dealing with a barrage of complaints after a sign that declared "No Drunken Indians Allowed" was taped to a drive-through window at a location in Southern Alberta. via CTV.ca

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brian

Calgary, Canada

#1 May 31, 2007
personaly I think this is getting out of hand, I think the girl just made a mistake.
i accually live in lethbridge, and work about a block from this particular tim hortons. If you don't live there don't pass judgment, there are some "good natives" then there are the "drunks".
the drunks cause alot of problems, they harass people for money, they try to mug you, they steal. and no one does anything about them.
as i said i work about a block away from that tim hortons, and the buissiness that i work for has had many many problems with the "drunk" natives, i routinely catch them stealing, urinating behind the dumpsters, liveing behind the dumpsters, passing out on the lawn infront of the buissiness i work for, and i could go on and on. but i won't, i guess all i'm trying to say is don't be one of those people that's gonna get all bent out of shap over something so stupid, the girl apologized, okay lets leave it at that and if your a native then yeah it's gonna be offensive. but judge what members of your people do to themselves before you judge an innocent buissiness, and a girl that made a mistake.
cam

Cardston, Canada

#2 Jun 1, 2007
you do not post a sign that illicits racial remarks and brush it off as mistake. there is an ongoing problem with the lethbridge community and the aboriginal mmembers in that community. this incident mearly reflects the unspoken attitudes towards the native peoples. this is no mistake. you (brian)clearly feel some distain in the tone of your message. you do not judge a people based on the social affliction and ramifiction of colonization. the affects are still being felt and there are a mojority of native people working towards prevention and support for those trapped in the system. The goal is to educate, and promate positve lifestyles and help ensure prosperity for all. with such negative and ignorant attitudes of the young, it only takes us a step back when bridges are being built to help us move forward. those who feel this way need see the larger picture and understand the dynamics of "why" so they can see individuals as human, not sterotypes.
Thunder Bay

Thunder Bay, Canada

#3 Jun 1, 2007
Going to Robins and going to stay there.
brian

Calgary, Canada

#4 Jun 1, 2007
well,(cam) we are all entiteled to our opinions. BUT, when you have someone try to rob you at knife point, lets see how your opinion changes. And if me or other people in lethbridge feel distain, then i belive it is warranted. And for your information i do not judge the native people as a whole based on the actions of a select few. I do however pity the members of the native community that have let themselves fall so far.
I do also belive that the native population in lethbridge may be largly sterotyped, but when you live here you can see why.
You blame the current situation on colonization that happend in the 16th century, hundreds of years after the fact.
Most people would have recovered from any "social affliction" by now.
Any one who could even be blamed for colnization and what happend to the natives from back then is dead now, and the land belongs to all.
So any blame for the social decent of certain members of the native community, is rested solely on the shoulders of the individual themselves, who choose that lifestyle on their own.
Do not put blame on colonization, it would have happened eventually, and horrible things may have been done, but it could have been worse.
rock

Red Deer, Canada

#5 Jun 2, 2007
hey lets get one thing straight here. This is not a problem that has happened overnight. I also come from a town with a drunk native problem and it did not happen overnight. People are sick and tired of having to deal with it. If the government is not going to do something about it eventually the people will take matters into their own hands and get it done. Remember we do live in "redneck" alberta. I know myself when I go back to my hometown I want to get out of my truck and just kick the natives who are drunk on the street. The part that makes me very angry is they have homes to go to. Homes that are for the most part free or paid for by hard working albertans and then we see them drunk on the streets bugging me and my small children for money. The native problem in Alberta as a whole needs to be dealt with by the government. The problem is we need a governemt with some nuts to get er done.
brian

Calgary, Canada

#6 Jun 2, 2007
rock is right for the point that the goverment needs to step in, before this problem gets anymore out of hand.
And just for the record natives get more money free from the goverment per month then alot of hard working people make in a month, i do not think that is right, the people who live here today did nothing to deserve having to pay the natives for something that happend hundreds of years ago.
As i said do not put blame on colonization, put the blame of a few individuals who have been dead for hundreds of years who caused most of the problems.
Dustin Baird

Richmond Hill, NY

#7 Jun 3, 2007
Personally, I think this hasn't got out of hand, I think that not enough has been done about the problem in Lethbridge, Alberta. Being a visitor and going into a public business and getting looks that I would give someone who hurt my family, from complete strangers who would look at me until I had to ask if they needed help, and made it a known that I wasn't from there. I have seen first hand the type of racism that exisists in Lethbridge, I am from South Dakota and Native/White relations has come a long way compared to Lethbridge, it was like going thru a timewarp and ending up in 1965? Look at the post before mine, how obvious, "good natives" "drunks", this is the type of mentality among most of the non-native population. On the other hand I met a few "good whites" and you could tell that whoever raised them must have been a few generations ahead when it came to being a human being. I think the appropriate action needs to be taken, the girl needs to learn that this will not be tolerated, even if her family is friends with the stores owner. The appropriate action is termination, what a better lesson learned at an early age, the action that has been taken is nothing more than a slap on the wrist? So I call on Tim Hortons to do the right thing by the native community and show that this will not be tolerated, if this truly a now tolerance policy, abide by it fire her. Thanks
brian wrote:
personaly I think this is getting out of hand, I think the girl just made a mistake.
i accually live in lethbridge, and work about a block from this particular tim hortons. If you don't live there don't pass judgment, there are some "good natives" then there are the "drunks".
the drunks cause alot of problems, they harass people for money, they try to mug you, they steal. and no one does anything about them.
as i said i work about a block away from that tim hortons, and the buissiness that i work for has had many many problems with the "drunk" natives, i routinely catch them stealing, urinating behind the dumpsters, liveing behind the dumpsters, passing out on the lawn infront of the buissiness i work for, and i could go on and on. but i won't, i guess all i'm trying to say is don't be one of those people that's gonna get all bent out of shap over something so stupid, the girl apologized, okay lets leave it at that and if your a native then yeah it's gonna be offensive. but judge what members of your people do to themselves before you judge an innocent buissiness, and a girl that made a mistake.
Bill Arch

Sioux Lookout, Canada

#8 Jun 3, 2007
The Government of Canada is a big part of the problem for the so-called native drunks of Canada as history goes. Residential school, land disputes, overall poverty and general mistrust. Lethbridge must have its fair share of non-native drunks but (rock) it is funny you label it as redneck alberta.
You must understand that the oil sands is Indian land and in my point of view this land of Canada will never be paid by the settlers of other lands. I moved away from racism in the south and have not been subjugated to it since except on occasion when I fly out of my community.(Dustin) I am an American but do not wish to live in the states because i love Canada. The land I live in is untouched wilderness, I wish to god the government would dissolve our treaty and give us our land back than you will see a people rise out of oppression.
We would become billionaires if we wanted.
dustin

Calgary, Canada

#9 Jun 3, 2007
I too like in lethbridge and i personally find natives judge whites more then whites judge natives, and also this town is pretty scary at night.
And i personaly don't think natives deserve anything, and should be made equal citizens to whites and blacks... the way the goverment has it they're way better off with far more opportunities, and i don't think they deserve it for the most part.
I think the government should stop all of it, if they did that would stop alot of the racism and there wouldn't be any drunks riding free on goverment money.

So i applaude that girl at least she had the guts to say what she felt.
ArcticMenace

Regina, Canada

#10 Jun 4, 2007
this land is our land...we stole it fair and square....get over it...we're here and we're unpacked
Dustin Baird

Richmond Hill, NY

#11 Jun 4, 2007
To me it is just so sad, Alberta with all it's scenic beauty is inhabited by Canada's Jerry Springer crowd? The very first time that I visited Canada, I drove up to Banff had a blast, moved on to Bragg Creek hung out there for a night, then into Calgary, and made my way south back into Montana, I was in complete awe of the land(Canada is so beautiful). I never wanted to move somewhere so bad. Now with all this getting headline coverage, I sure am glad I didn't, I understand completely(Bill), it is so easy to fall in love w/Canada, everything is so lax,and easy going until you wander into Wally World? Anyhow, I was thinking where in the world would this girl get the idea to do this? Then I read the forum in here and am answered, without a doubt southern Alberta, watchout Jerry's coming soon, and he has a message, "Your trailer park called, they want their trash back". Peace.
tom

Calgary, Canada

#12 Jun 4, 2007
mr. dustin baird, all you did was add to existing predujice.
You just one of the people who sets the world back, if you don't like alberta... then don't ever come here.
Lethbrigde is a nice town, not every one is racist. BUT you sir are.
brian

Calgary, Canada

#13 Jun 4, 2007
whites are not the only racists, natives are too.
Guess we all add to the problem.
tom

Calgary, Canada

#14 Jun 4, 2007
that girl just made an error in judgement, i'm sure she probably quit and found another by now.
john

Thunder Bay, Canada

#15 Jun 5, 2007
ArcticMenace wrote:
this land is our land...we stole it fair and square....get over it...we're here and we're unpacked
It is very clear that the frost and cold has entered your brain and your probably sitting at home with no job and waiting for the next welfare cheque to come in. It is people like you who are narrow minded and ignorant that fuel the flames of racism.. And by the way, I am not Native..
Candice Edmonton

Edmonton, Canada

#16 Jun 5, 2007
Brian from Lethbridge makes it sound as though its only the indians who drink and get out of hand. He must not come to the "big city" and see all the races getting drunk and get out of hand. BTW, it wasn't a simple "mistake" it's obviously learned behaviour from her parents and those around her.
Travis D

Thunder Bay, Canada

#17 Jun 5, 2007
How about we rape your children, Steel your land beat your children for speaking english majke them eat vomit take them from their family make them slaves and call it even.......then we can say get over it. How about that ArcticMenace. PS ill have first dibs on your ass.
Travis D

Thunder Bay, Canada

#18 Jun 5, 2007
Brian you have to use knowlegde to provide resonable answers. Now take in to account what the government did to the first nations people and THINK....from the mistreatment how can a culture regain stability? I see white people outside of my office puking and talking to them selves, yet you don't hear me saying white peolpe are a menece...its about knowledge...take some time to understand the history of first nations people and them make an educated or knowledgeble comment.
Dustin Baird

Richmond Hill, NY

#19 Jun 5, 2007
tom wrote:
mr. dustin baird, all you did was add to existing predujice.
You just one of the people who sets the world back, if you don't like alberta... then don't ever come here.
Lethbrigde is a nice town, not every one is racist. BUT you sir are.
Tom; I never really thought of myself as a racist more along the lines of a realist? Perhaps you are right, maybe when racism is thrown in my face my IQ drops a hundred points and stoop to the occasion? On the other hand, one of my best friends who I have known for yrs and have worked side by side on company projects and lived w/for a short time, who is white(looks like the poster boy for skinhead movement of Alberta)must not have thought so when he asked me the honorable privelege to be the Godfather of his first born son. I'm sure he would've picked up on it before we went to his mothers house for supper? So no I don't think I'm a racist, but yes most whites in Lethbridge are. All we have to do is look at what this poor girl did, she got that from growing up in or around Lethbridge, there is no need to argue further. I just hope for the sake of every person and future generations, this will lead to an awakening on both sides. Whoops almost forgot, HELL NO WILL I STAY OUT OF ALBERTA! I have got to get my fishing done?? I have been there plenty of times, and a some piece's of Ku Klux Krap won't keep me from doing what I enjoy. Good Luck Alberta
ArcticMenace

Regina, Canada

#20 Jun 5, 2007
john wrote:
<quoted text>
It is very clear that the frost and cold has entered your brain and your probably sitting at home with no job and waiting for the next welfare cheque to come in. It is people like you who are narrow minded and ignorant that fuel the flames of racism.. And by the way, I am not Native..
well dont throw away your window squeegee since youre career as a psychic isnt going to fly

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