Accident at CNRL Hoizon Project
calgary

Salmon Arm, Canada

#22 May 14, 2007
Former CNRL wrote:
The only brain dead imbred would be the clown making $1000 a week less lol working for some scab outfitt lol supplying your own tools, gloves etc LOL i bet you have never seen a $5000 paycheck for 1 weeks work ever have you.
Bottom line the person with the most money wins :)
Ur wife is also cheating on u with the pool guy lol,hotshot I stay at home making money lol,5000 will go to ur ex lol, U will die lonely and pennyless lol
Former CNRL

Okotoks, Canada

#23 May 14, 2007
Do you really think we work all the time when we make that kind of cash? i did a few months of pipeline before christmas and have not worked since and dont plan on it. ME and the miss just finished 3 months in Germany and are planning Cuba at the end of june. Our homes are paid for and all our toys if i sold at current market value i would make a killing.

Think about that the next time you recieve your scab cheque that can barely pay the bills.
worker boy

Banff, Canada

#24 May 15, 2007
The Horizon Project is a disgrace. It is because of CNRL's refusal to pay fair wages that the workers were killed. In their futile attempt to weaken legitamate trade unions, CNRL resorted to hiring the cheapest labour they could find. They found inexperienced unsafe workers, and now CNRL is reaping the benefits of doing things on the cheap. Mr. Doucette and the rest of the Horizon management team should all face criminal charges.
Former CNRL

Okotoks, Canada

#25 May 15, 2007
The consevatives just passed a bill last friday to speed up the foreign worker process and ship these guys in by the thousands. at the CNRL tank farm alone they will have 1800 chinese workers employed there. All the modules will not be built in Alberta or CAnada. modules are being biult in Korea and being shiped up the meckenzie to the CNRL site. There plans are to ship the raw bituemen to the states ( this is where dick Cheney gets involved) so we lose out on future upgraders and many refining jobs, while only recieving a penny for every dollar royalty on our resources.

This equats to projected figure of 40,000+ high paying jobs lost in Alberta and billions lost to our economy.

I wonder how many politicians lined there pockets with this deal.who else would benefit from this? I bet Ralph klien and Iris Evans are lauphing all the way to the bank.
Conservative Canadian

Calgary, Canada

#26 May 16, 2007
Unsilent Majority wrote:
Probably foreign workers, is this where we want the industry to go??? STOP THIS GOULAG NOW BEFORE WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT FOR US AND ALL THE NIPS GET IT
You know what, you have a filthy mouth. You don't even know what you're saying. Why don't you wait and let the expertise(investigator) find what's the reason behind it. What's your expertise, skill or level of education? Prove it. I almost have to believe you of your crappy comments.
bcblmkr

Canada

#27 May 16, 2007
If it wasnt for Unions we would all be working for low wages, no benefits such as medical, dental and pension plans, there would be no such thing as on the job safety standards. So the next time you decide to bash Unions think about what they have done to improve the quality of life of the working man and woman, both Union and Non-Union. I suspect that these workers who lost their lives on the CNRL site had no safety or trades training and the same probably is true for their supervision. If the lack of training and safety is true, then the CNRL corporation should be held directly responsible and held accountable for the deaths.
ROD BUSTER

Canada

#28 May 16, 2007
Former CNRL wrote:
<quoted text>
This could be a good thing :) The unions have so much work right now they could pull all the members off this site and dispatch them some place else keeping all the members working while these foreign contractors are on stop work orders. This would hurt CNRL investors big time as the job could not get done.
maybe they will see how valuble it is to invest in union labour.
The union could pull all of there workers off of this site then there would be thousands more on the books phoning the call out lines waiting for the perfect call that may include the soon to be extinct DOUBLE BUBBLE did anyone ever think that if all the people sitting on the books took a call more than once or twice a year that we would have had no need for importing trades people.there is a reason that the big jobs are only doing 4 or 5 10's is they get less done than on a regular day so where is the advantage.To all the union boys thanks for the wage increases but us NON UNION GUYS get to come in after all the hard work is done and finish the job and fix all the FUCKUPS We Need to start with the building trades
Not AN Idiot

Canada

#29 May 16, 2007
Unsilent Majority wrote:
Probably foreign workers, is this where we want the industry to go??? STOP THIS GOULAG NOW BEFORE WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT FOR US AND ALL THE NIPS GET IT
Hey shit head these tanks were designed in canada wirh procedures from the engineers that drew them in their glass palace's who do you think they are going to blame not themselfs if you had ever worked overseas this type of thing would not even make the news.I have worked in yemen,russia,cuba and if shit goes south quick who do they blame foreign workers but who do you think came up with the procedure.only thing good about this accident is that the company shut the work area down over there it just means work faster before the next shit storm goes down no such thing as stand downs.The only time they slow down is to remove the body and only barely.
Not AN Idiot

Canada

#30 May 16, 2007
bcblmkr wrote:
If it wasnt for Unions we would all be working for low wages, no benefits such as medical, dental and pension plans, there would be no such thing as on the job safety standards. So the next time you decide to bash Unions think about what they have done to improve the quality of life of the working man and woman, both Union and Non-Union. I suspect that these workers who lost their lives on the CNRL site had no safety or trades training and the same probably is true for their supervision. If the lack of training and safety is true, then the CNRL corporation should be held directly responsible and held accountable for the deaths.
Dear Boilermaker noticed you spelt it wrong must not be a test for that for your trade.as to the fact the unions have done tremendious good is not i question but do you think that anyone could come on to a super project and not play by the safety rules?Have you ever been on a big job and not had 2-3 safety people always standing around and watching your every move it is the same here.WHY did you not take the call to come here?That would have prevented the door from opening to the foreign workers in the first place?Or did the UNION price them selfs out of the fair market again
Not AN Idiot

Canada

#31 May 16, 2007
former CNRL employee wrote:
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This is not a suprise to me my experience at the CNRL project was very dangerous when you enter the site the safety slogan sais "give er get er done". These temporary foreign workers were the dumbest people i ever seen in my life.they are very dangerous and very inept at doing the simplest of jobs. They do not use bathrooms they just piss and sh^t anywhere, they are disgusting and there 3rd world trade skills were something expected from monkeys.Hopefully more of these retards kill themselves.
Hey mister ASS face do you know that up at CNRL the chinese workers are kept in their own camp and they have had no one shitting in the showers or washing machines!Gee maybe you were just watching some white guy do that you LOSER!Plus would you think they would let them do their job like they normally do back home if so they would have bamboo scaffold you meat stick!Get a Grip and a JOB
bcblmkr

Coquitlam, Canada

#32 May 17, 2007
Dear Idiot, I hardly think that Unionized labour has priced themselves out of the market, especially when oil companies are making billions of dollars in profits, your name says it all, I need say no more.
Typical

Calgary, Canada

#33 May 23, 2007
Not surpiseingly you've missed the point - people got killed.
I've worked on projects around the world with "trades people" from all over and it is moronic to blame the foreign worker.
Everyone on site has a responsibility to ensure the job is done right and that safety is a priority -to suggest otherwise is to only reinforce that you really don't know what you're talking about.
Spreading this type of discrimination without even bothering to have the facts is not surprising in an age where no one cares about anything but money -$5,000 in one week - good luck spending it when you're 6 feet under.
If all you care about is the money....man you got a lot to learn and you aren't half the tradesman you're think you are.
Talking about foreign workers this way only confirms how narrow minded some members of the Canadian construction industry really are and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
alberta redneck

Canada

#34 May 28, 2007
i have never seen anyone die on any of the jobs i have been on and we have 6000 guys at a time out there. See when we work union there are procedures in place to make sure things are checked and checked again and sometimes we can spend weeks working on pre-jobs and how we are going to do it safe. WE award thosee that come up with ideas and time is not an issue. Unlike non union where the those that hurry up and do things the fastest and cheapest are rewarded.

Anyways about the non-union fixing union mistakes, im sorry you need to calrify. Look at Fire bag Suncor. Dude we spent months cutting every weld out re doing the whole project because the Non union. Look at these tanks collapsing at CNRL that is a big thanks to CLAC and the non union.
whatever

Chetwynd, Canada

#35 May 28, 2007
It appears from what I read here that OHS and Worksafe Alberta hold no responsibility as usual. Is this one of their so called "targeted sites?companies?" And if not, why not? I have followed OHS and Industry behavior on a whole (since we know they work together)and yes in Albera over the years and have learned that they will always find a way to first blame the worker, Chinese or not, who cares anyways? be it the workers medical history which I am not sure how they are even allowed this personal info. is this not patient/Dr. info only? Or, secondly the weather.... like we all don't know how windy it is in Alberta..... and our politians attitudes???? As one of our local politians recently told me, "safety only comes down to a matter of opinion" and oh yeah this one.... it happens, people die on the job.... What a cop out! We need to stand together and get tougher on Worksafe Alberta and OHS instead of letting them and Industry walk all over us with their double talk and propaganda. They feel they are the "untouchable" especially since they are so closely partnered. Hmmmm... Why do you think this is? Anyone?
alberta redneck

Canada

#36 May 29, 2007
i see this new generation of scabs in Alberta and they bash , flame me for everything we have done for them. Things are safe because we made a stand, wages are like they are because we made a stand.

Screw you! me and my brothers are retiring. Now you have nobody to stand up for your rights you ungratfull sob. Im going to lauph so hard when wages go down and safety goes to sh^t its going to be so funny.
terry Former CNRL

Sherwood Park, Canada

#37 Jun 1, 2007
WOW ! instead of acttacking each in here with crude commects,stop and think of what CNRL is doing.
Making a deal with Clac for cheap labour; it all comes down to what you think your worth for your knowledge and skill. Clac is not a union(check with the labour board),but a means of holding your wages down. Maybe the Building Trades unions are outdated,but the unions have brought up everyones wages and benifits
in Canada,if the union rate was 15$, non-union would be 10$.
I worked on site for 10 months,this was going to happen,Cnrl doesn't care.
Cnrl is putting used pipe in systems,they bought scrape pipe over seas and it is going to blow when operations start.The investors should sent a rep up and look around,deucepe is lying thru his teeth to them ,but once you've spent 9Billion ,whats a few more bucks to finish it
observer

Summerside, Canada

#38 Jun 6, 2007
i have to agree with redneck the biggest problem however is in the unions they are accepting every person they can get there hands on i don't disagree with this but these young people most of them dont give a sh^t for the union and go back to non union when there is no union work and the new generation is not just scabs but also union members they should be educated on the union issues and be kicked out of the union if they work non union and whatmakes me even madder is these people willstand with their hands in their pockets when there on a union job and run when on a non union .being union gives no one the right to be lazy and unproductive more jobs would hire union labour if they could get rid of the dead weight
terry Former CNRL

Sherwood Park, Canada

#39 Jun 12, 2007
CNRL refused to accept the monies collected on site for the 2 workers killed there.
This is what trash , low class, scum CNRL is.
Do they think people want to come to the site and get killed so they're family can collect a few bucks off thier death!!!!!!!!!!
Rigid

Saint Paul, Canada

#40 Jun 24, 2007
Former CNRL wrote:
The only brain dead imbred would be the clown making $1000 a week less lol working for some scab outfitt lol supplying your own tools, gloves etc LOL i bet you have never seen a $5000 paycheck for 1 weeks work ever have you.
Bottom line the person with the most money wins :)
dude i make 15000 evry 2 weeks
Bullshit

Canada

#41 Jun 24, 2007
"dude i make 15000 evry 2 weeks"

doing what?

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