Great Auk says more Internet users ne...

Great Auk says more Internet users needed

There are 30 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Sep 16, 2010, titled Great Auk says more Internet users needed. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

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Joann

Putney, VT

#1 Sep 16, 2010
Last time I looked,$300/mo was not "free".

Stratton obviously does not want GAW on their mountain. Pricing them out of the area is how they will get rid of them.
Whit

Bellows Falls, VT

#2 Sep 16, 2010
Stratton's not charging "market rate" if the rate is more than the wireless internet market can bear. The cell phone market is a different market, that can bear more. Does Stratton lose money at $300 a month? The tower is there. Having one more antenna on it doesn't cost Stratton anyrhing, aside from electric power, which can be metered separately if it's not already

The PSB should require Stratton to provide access to its tower for wireless internet at a rate the market can bear, as a condition of operating a tower at all.
Marg

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Sep 16, 2010
This is not the first time GAW has left people hanign. GAW pulled out of Putney last year, leaving a lot of people with antennas sticking out of their roofs and dial-up!
Dr Phil

Methuen, MA

#4 Sep 16, 2010
Couple of things: The florist pays $1000.00 per month rent for space in her own house??

"Market rate"? Market rates are usually calculated on the prices of other similar services or products or rental space. Also factoring in supply and demand.
By raising the rent to $2300.00 per month Stratton is saying they have someone willing to pay that amount for the spot on their tower. Wonder if they do have another tenant in the wings?
Republicrat

Bellows Falls, VT

#5 Sep 16, 2010
Whit wrote:
Stratton's not charging "market rate" if the rate is more than the wireless internet market can bear. The cell phone market is a different market, that can bear more. Does Stratton lose money at $300 a month? The tower is there. Having one more antenna on it doesn't cost Stratton anyrhing, aside from electric power, which can be metered separately if it's not already
The PSB should require Stratton to provide access to its tower for wireless internet at a rate the market can bear, as a condition of operating a tower at all.
Everyone else on that tower was paying that higher rate all along. I would say that means it was a market rate. So how is it that they are singling out GAW by simply making them pay what everyone else is paying? The area will be far better off with someone like Vtel Wireless or Sovernet than they ever were with Lastmile or Great Auk.
Sproktman

Walpole, NH

#6 Sep 16, 2010
josh, ever thought of marketing your service?
Josh Garza

Oxford, MA

#7 Sep 16, 2010
We are a small company with a limited marketing budget, and a lot of territory to cover.

We make over 10,000 marketing contacts each month. Print, door hangers, yard signs, etc.

Keep in mind that we have continue to deliver broadband to over 1600 homes in VT. We have invested a great deal of resources to make broadband available to under-served homes.

Thank you
Internet Troll

Roxbury, VT

#8 Sep 17, 2010
$2300 is probably on the high end of market rate for that tower space, but from what I have heard from various folks in the Stratton Mountain IT staff they are extremely frustrated working with GAW (for various reasons), and that might have something to do with this decision.
Not A Business Major

Harrington, DE

#9 Sep 17, 2010
A guy walks into a bar and says, "I'm going to start a wireless ISP in rural Vermont!" and the bartender replies, "But that sounds completely unsustainable! Haven't you considered that providing service to very limited underserved markets will result in a finite revenue stream in a market where provider costs are steadily increasing?" And the guy goes, "But I drive a Camero, and what is this?"
Josh Garza

Oxford, MA

#11 Sep 17, 2010
worked hard, and now I have nice things, ignorance really is bliss
Internet Troll

Burlington, VT

#12 Sep 17, 2010
Josh if you are going to do media PR it would be wise to think before you post. Insults don't reflect well on you or GAW, especially as you try to gain political capital in regards to Stratton.
Josh Garza

Oxford, MA

#13 Sep 18, 2010
You're right, sometimes I let my psassion get the best of me, it was a poor choice of words. GAW is a private company that has continued to serve and expand underserved areas because of our passion in wanting to do it.
CycoSkier

Cuttingsville, VT

#14 Sep 18, 2010
Often times, things are not what they seem. And sometimes we have a great ability to create stories using a script that has little to do with what the situation truly is.
It doesn't take a Harvard MBA to figure out that providing rural wireless in a low-margin prospect. The folks who do this, like GAW and other smaller WISPs, are pioneers and are driven by a desire to positively impact and enrich the quality of lives of those they try to serve whether through improved communications, delivery of healthcare, emergency services, education and much more.
What do you think drives Comcast? Verizon? Fairpoint? Helping their neighbors? GAW and similar companies are going it alone using their own funds. With little to no grant funding. Yes, VTel and Sovernet received a boat load of money. But if you read the articles, you'll notice that 80 percent of the funding goes to middle mile customers and NOT lastmile customers...only a smaller percentage does. And the middle mile deployments, in many instances, are going where other services exist. While they do provide fiber to the curb, companies like GAW and other WISPs, will get to rural market's homes.
Remember, with fiber, the earth needs to be moved or poles erected. While it may happen quickly, it still will take time. Inherent in wireless serving rural customers is the ability to get it done quickly.
As for lease fees, Verizon, AT&T and other companies that occupy space on Stratton have the ability to spread the cost over thousands, if not millions of customers. A per subscriber cost is a solution that could be considered...that would be fair market...but as stated, the markets are NOT the same.
What will make this effort successful, ubiquitous wireless in Vermont? Community support.

Since: May 08

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#15 Sep 20, 2010
CycoSkier wrote:
Often times, things are not what they seem. And sometimes we have a great ability to create stories using a script that has little to do with what the situation truly is.
It doesn't take a Harvard MBA to figure out that providing rural wireless in a low-margin prospect. The folks who do this, like GAW and other smaller WISPs, are pioneers and are driven by a desire to positively impact and enrich the quality of lives of those they try to serve whether through improved communications, delivery of healthcare, emergency services, education and much more.
What do you think drives Comcast? Verizon? Fairpoint? Helping their neighbors? GAW and similar companies are going it alone using their own funds. With little to no grant funding. Yes, VTel and Sovernet received a boat load of money. But if you read the articles, you'll notice that 80 percent of the funding goes to middle mile customers and NOT lastmile customers...only a smaller percentage does. And the middle mile deployments, in many instances, are going where other services exist. While they do provide fiber to the curb, companies like GAW and other WISPs, will get to rural market's homes.
Remember, with fiber, the earth needs to be moved or poles erected. While it may happen quickly, it still will take time. Inherent in wireless serving rural customers is the ability to get it done quickly.
As for lease fees, Verizon, AT&T and other companies that occupy space on Stratton have the ability to spread the cost over thousands, if not millions of customers. A per subscriber cost is a solution that could be considered...that would be fair market...but as stated, the markets are NOT the same.
What will make this effort successful, ubiquitous wireless in Vermont? Community support.
You have your numbers backwards. Vermontel was granted 116 Million to provide wireless last mile services. The VTA (using Sovernet as sort of a contractor) was granted just over 30 million to provide fiber middle mile services. The idea is that last mile services will use them.

So the majority of the broadband grant, by far, was for wireless last mile services. The services that GAW provided and apparently will not be providing much longer. This is nothing sudden. They have been shutting down services one by one for a while. Also from folks I have spoken to, they have pretty much moved out of state (Connecticut?) to denser populations. Their home office isn't in VT anymore.

Vermontel will also be using their own money along with private investment to greatly increase fiber deployment within their own current geographic footprint.

This is all from simply going back and reading articles in the Brattleboro Reformer and Rutland Herald except where stated otherwise.
Bringing the news

Ripton, VT

#16 Sep 20, 2010
This story is a nice piece to bring sympathy for a company that promised a town, Putney VT, great high speed service. Well, since they have left VT, it seems Putney is nothing to them now.

They spend their time and money on advertising in the Holyoke mall instead of fixing the amateur setup and the PR mess they left in VT.

The CEO, Josh Garza, buys up houses and expensive cars instead of doing whats right and fulfilling the empty promises he has made.

Good job blowing off the areas that made you what you are...
Bringing the news

Ripton, VT

#17 Sep 20, 2010
Oh, and to point out the obvious, Passion is not the same as egotistical narcissism Mr. Garza
Jack of All

Van Alstyne, TX

#18 Sep 21, 2010
Josh G and GAW are wannabe's that just happened into this business. Its their lack of skill and knowledge that put this service in Jeporady. The federal goverment is giving away money for this very situation. Force GAW to use that money to bring broadband to all invloved, not to focus on their short term greed
Jack of All

Van Alstyne, TX

#19 Sep 21, 2010
Josh Garza wrote:
worked hard, and now I have nice things, ignorance really is bliss
your a fool, time to cash out and hide...

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#20 Sep 21, 2010
If you're going to be insulting...at least learn how to spell, let alone know the difference between "your" and "you're."
flat lander

United States

#21 Sep 21, 2010
down town Putney [sounds funny]oh I mean the village has high speed cable but it ends about where you can't see in your neighbors windows so out in the sticks where we pay for there village water sewerage and will never see high speed. this includes the biggest neighborhood in Putney called the "losers of west Westminster village that claim their in Putney but pay taxes in Westminster. There only claim to fame how sad.

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