Weekend May Tell Truckers' Strike Impact

[emptypockets]

we will gladly post and pass out flyers to organize a nationwide shutdown, if someone could email us or give us a website where we can get a copy of the flyer you want posted we can make copies here and will see that as many as possible get out......

[angry american]

the politicians, oil companies and big bussiness are all laughing. the majority of us(poor) are about to loose everything. we need to revolt against all the ones gauging us. if we are not in a depression YET, we will be soon.somethings gotta give..................

[roofgoof]

eternal cynic wrote:

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Easy enough.
If there were to be a price freeze on gasoline and diesel (read the original suggestion by roofgoof) and oil were to go up in price the refineries couldn’t raise fuel prices.
Oil will continue increasing in price, particularly foreign oil which we depend so heavily on. We can not place a price freeze on imported oil. The oil producers of the world would simply sell more to China and other countries.
Let’s make this more simple.
You have a lemonade stand. The government mandates you must freeze the price of your lemonade to one dollar per glass. Your current cost to produce lemonade is 80 cents. You’re still content and sell your lemonade. Over time your cost for lemons increases and it now costs you $1.05 per glass to produce one glass. You’re now losing money, you can still only sell it for $1. The government has mandated you can not increase your price and there’s nothing you can do about the price of lemons.
Sure, we have domestic oil sources and I’m sure the government could slap a price freeze on them as well. That doesn’t work with foreign producers. So bottom line if our government were to freeze fuel prices and the cost of foreign oil were to rise the refiners could begin to lose money.
I didn’t suggest the refiners are losing money now. But, they could under a price freeze. Most likely they would simply shut down rather than lose money. A price freeze isn’t the answer.

the oil companies will lose even more money if the trucking industry shuts down as a result of the increasin fuel prices. even the oil companiwes rely on truckers to get gasoline and diesel to the gas stations, as well as home heating oil,kerosene,to name a few so it will hurt them as well

[Long Haul Driver]

What country ships the most oil into the united states? beleave it or not Canada does

who do you think sets the price of oil per berrel?
wall street oil speculators not the OPEC all OPEC does is set a limit on how much oil they are going to pump out of the ground.

is the an oil shortage? actually there is not an oil shortage there is in fact an oil surplus in this country.

what needs to be done is change the system to reflect reality. oil speculators do just that, speculate (guess what is going to happan in the world 6 months in advance). so what goes on in the middle east has nothing to do with the price of oil coming from Canada(Canada ships 60% of all the oil used in this country).oil speculating is a way outdated system dating back to the 50's and needs to be scrapped.
and as for regulating the price of fuels, a temporary measure can be done until the stupididity in the market stabelizes.
you may also want to ask yourself who pays those oil speculators? you'll find the answer real interesting.

eternal cynic wrote:

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Easy enough.
If there were to be a price freeze on gasoline and diesel (read the original suggestion by roofgoof) and oil were to go up in price the refineries couldn’t raise fuel prices.
Oil will continue increasing in price, particularly foreign oil which we depend so heavily on. We can not place a price freeze on imported oil. The oil producers of the world would simply sell more to China and other countries.
Let’s make this more simple.
You have a lemonade stand. The government mandates you must freeze the price of your lemonade to one dollar per glass. Your current cost to produce lemonade is 80 cents. You’re still content and sell your lemonade. Over time your cost for lemons increases and it now costs you $1.05 per glass to produce one glass. You’re now losing money, you can still only sell it for $1. The government has mandated you can not increase your price and there’s nothing you can do about the price of lemons.
Sure, we have domestic oil sources and I’m sure the government could slap a price freeze on them as well. That doesn’t work with foreign producers. So bottom line if our government were to freeze fuel prices and the cost of foreign oil were to rise the refiners could begin to lose money.
I didn’t suggest the refiners are losing money now. But, they could under a price freeze. Most likely they would simply shut down rather than lose money. A price freeze isn’t the answer.

[eternal cynic]

roofgoof wrote:

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the oil companies will lose even more money if the trucking industry shuts down as a result of the increasin fuel prices. even the oil companiwes rely on truckers to get gasoline and diesel to the gas stations, as well as home heating oil,kerosene,to name a few so it will hurt them as well

The collateral damage to the trucking industry would be far more disastrous from what the trucking industry is already feeling. The real losers would be the independents who currently are having a difficult time making ends meet.
I’m not anti-trucker. I’m simply looking at this from a realistic view point.

How long would it take for a shutdown to be effective? Could the independents survive their lost income? Would the large trucking companies participate? These are important questions.

In the end the only solution is to charge more to haul a load. That should be the focus. The shutdown simply wouldn’t work.

[eternal cynic]

Long Haul Driver wrote:

What country ships the most oil into the united states? beleave it or not Canada does
who do you think sets the price of oil per berrel?
wall street oil speculators not the OPEC all OPEC does is set a limit on how much oil they are going to pump out of the ground.
is the an oil shortage? actually there is not an oil shortage there is in fact an oil surplus in this country.
what needs to be done is change the system to reflect reality. oil speculators do just that, speculate (guess what is going to happan in the world 6 months in advance). so what goes on in the middle east has nothing to do with the price of oil coming from Canada(Canada ships 60% of all the oil used in this country).oil speculating is a way outdated system dating back to the 50's and needs to be scrapped.
and as for regulating the price of fuels, a temporary measure can be done until the stupididity in the market stabelizes.
you may also want to ask yourself who pays those oil speculators? you'll find the answer real interesting.
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I already knew Canada was the source of most of our imported oil.
Still the premise of my comment was based on a fuel price freeze. That simply wouldn’t work.

The fees collected by truckers must rise to compensate for the increased fuel prices. I doubt we as a nation will ever see sub $3/gallon prices again unless several things happen. First we must cut our consumption. Second the US dollar must regain much of its’ lost value. And finally we must increase refinery capacity.

[Rally girl]

emptypockets wrote:

we will gladly post and pass out flyers to organize a nationwide shutdown, if someone could email us or give us a website where we can get a copy of the flyer you want posted we can make copies here and will see that as many as possible get out......

www.theamericandriver.com

Under Truckers and Citizens Unite

There are links to flyers there.

[roofgoof]

eternal cynic wrote:

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I already knew Canada was the source of most of our imported oil.
Still the premise of my comment was based on a fuel price freeze. That simply wouldn’t work.
The fees collected by truckers must rise to compensate for the increased fuel prices. I doubt we as a nation will ever see sub $3/gallon prices again unless several things happen. First we must cut our consumption. Second the US dollar must regain much of its’ lost value. And finally we must increase refinery capacity.

well apparantly the threat of a strike is getting peoples attention, the question is are the right people listening? probably not. now if i remember, i did say a price freeze at current levels for all petroleum products(gas,diesel,kerosene, jet fuel,etc)asthe oil companies are raking in record profits they can afford to lower prices some , as they have more control over prices that they are letting on

[eternal cynic]

roofgoof wrote:

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well apparantly the threat of a strike is getting peoples attention, the question is are the right people listening? probably not. now if i remember, i did say a price freeze at current levels for all petroleum products(gas,diesel,kerosene, jet fuel,etc)asthe oil companies are raking in record profits they can afford to lower prices some , as they have more control over prices that they are letting on

Other than in this forum I’ve run across only a casual mention of a truckers strike. But, I’ll admit a long sustained strike would be a major impact on our already fragile economy.

I’m with you on this. I simply don’t agree with your methodology. Truckers do deserve to make a decent living. Independents assuming the risk of owning their own truck more so. In my book anyone who takes the risk of being self employed deserves a better opportunity to make more money.

The high fuel prices are leaving their mark nearly everywhere in the economy. Look at the price of groceries now. People who were struggling before the increased prices are barely able to keep their homes now. It’s only going to get worse before it gets better.

This is exactly why it’s so crucial we make alternative fuel sources a priority. We must also make fair trade a priority as well. If China has no desire or is unwilling to import from the US we shouldn’t import from them.

At least one third of the increase in oil prices can be attributed to the declining dollar. Review historical data with any of the online currency exchange rate web sites. It’s horrifying.

Long Haul Trucker brought one fact in which can clearly shows just how bad this problem is. I recall at one point the Canadian Dollar was worth just 60 cents US. As recently as Jan ’07 the Canadian Dollar was worth just 80 cents US. We’ve slide 20% in the past year against the Canadian Dollar. Why does this matter? We import more oil from Canada than any other country.

Even though oil prices are generally based on the US Dollar, they’re also based on the value of the US dollar. Even if the price in Canadian Dollars remained exactly the same over course of the past year and few months our costs have increased 20%.

[roofgoof]

eternal cynic wrote:

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Other than in this forum I’ve run across only a casual mention of a truckers strike. But, I’ll admit a long sustained strike would be a major impact on our already fragile economy.
I’m with you on this. I simply don’t agree with your methodology. Truckers do deserve to make a decent living. Independents assuming the risk of owning their own truck more so. In my book anyone who takes the risk of being self employed deserves a better opportunity to make more money.
The high fuel prices are leaving their mark nearly everywhere in the economy. Look at the price of groceries now. People who were struggling before the increased prices are barely able to keep their homes now. It’s only going to get worse before it gets better.
This is exactly why it’s so crucial we make alternative fuel sources a priority. We must also make fair trade a priority as well. If China has no desire or is unwilling to import from the US we shouldn’t import from them.
At least one third of the increase in oil prices can be attributed to the declining dollar. Review historical data with any of the online currency exchange rate web sites. It’s horrifying.
Long Haul Trucker brought one fact in which can clearly shows just how bad this problem is. I recall at one point the Canadian Dollar was worth just 60 cents US. As recently as Jan ’07 the Canadian Dollar was worth just 80 cents US. We’ve slide 20% in the past year against the Canadian Dollar. Why does this matter? We import more oil from Canada than any other country.
Even though oil prices are generally based on the US Dollar, they’re also based on the value of the US dollar. Even if the price in Canadian Dollars remained exactly the same over course of the past year and few months our costs have increased 20%.

got no argument there. but something has to be done or this country will grind to a halt.

[Marion]

This gas thing is already a real problem. In my opinion $4 a gallon equates to a 50% increase in goods cost from 2 years ago.

[Marion]

eternal cynic wrote:

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The high fuel prices are leaving their mark nearly everywhere in the economy. Look at the price of groceries now. People who were struggling before the increased prices are barely able to keep their homes now. It’s only going to get worse before it gets better.

Long Haul Trucker brought one fact in which can clearly shows just how bad this problem is. I recall at one point the Canadian Dollar was worth just 60 cents US. As recently as Jan ’07 the Canadian Dollar was worth just 80 cents US. We’ve slide 20% in the past year against the Canadian Dollar. Why does this matter? We import more oil from Canada than any other country.
Even though oil prices are generally based on the US Dollar, they’re also based on the value of the US dollar. Even if the price in Canadian Dollars remained exactly the same over course of the past year and few months our costs have increased 20%.

OPEC now used the Euro as I understand. If you assumed the oil price was fixed by opec and other countries went along with that,you could assume Canadian oil had gone up 100% in the last two years and add another 20% due to dollar devaluation. Milk kind of reflects the affect of inflation and oil.People keep their mouths shut about problems when they are making money off of it.

[Fed UP]

OK, Let's just get used to it. Why not just tell the Government to raise everything to $10.00 and cut out the BS. A gallon of gas, a gallon of milk, a loaf of bread and Oh Yes...minimumu wage too!!! Everything....just raise it to $10.00.
Then we won't have to worry about who to vote for: John, Hillary or Barack. It won't matter because no one will have a home, car or money to spend once they go to the grocery store so who cares who pays for health care or balances a budget or ends the war!!! China seems to be taking over anyway so let's just sit back and let it happen!! That seems to be the way this country is going. Just turn on CNN and they will tell you what is really happening!! NOT.
Why did our forefathers come to America? As I recall it was to get a new start in a new land of opportunity. Well what happened? People loosing their homes due to lenders that were allowed to offer loans that were impossible to pay back, now gas prices going up so fast that prices change while you are filling up at the pump and everyone just looks on shaking their heads but doing NOTHING but punching keys on a key board.
We need to take action, do SOMETHING PRO ACTIVE and fight this mess we are in!!!! Isn't that the way our country began? Rebelling from what our forefathers came from and hard work to make something new better? What happened to the USA in the last 20-30 years? This mess didn't just happen in the last few years. It's been coming for sometime.
What can we do to make a difference? Make a change? I am so sick of what is going on in Washington but that's just the top. We need to start in our towns, cities and states. Change has to be made everywhere. I really don't know if it can be done at this point but it makes me sick to my stomach to see how messed up we've become as a nation based on the principals from which we came.

[eternal cynic]

Marion wrote:

<quoted text>OPEC now used the Euro as I understand. If you assumed the oil price was fixed by opec and other countries went along with that,you could assume Canadian oil had gone up 100% in the last two years and add another 20% due to dollar devaluation. Milk kind of reflects the affect of inflation and oil.People keep their mouths shut about problems when they are making money off of it.

I made no assumption OPEC sets world prices, they don’t. But, they do influence price.

You mention milk, part of the reason for the rise in price on ethanol. Corn prices have been sky rocketing. Corn is used in so many food products and is also used a s feed for livestock.

I think your estimation on dollar devaluation is low, I think it’s closer to 30%.

[tkmartin33]

Billy Edwards wrote:

Hillary can fix this country. Wake up America,we need the Clintons in the white house. Keep the shut downs going drivers.

Wow! Are you insane? The Clintons are to blame for NAFTA and a lot of other bullcrap that is STILL putting this country in the hole! You're dreaming if you thing those sons of b!tches give a crap about you! Wake up, do a little research on that EVIL twosome!

[tkmartin33]

I work at a car dealership and I was discussing "alternative" fuel with him and it's a known fact (to those in the industry) that enthanol is 20% less efficient that gasoline, run that through the computer and tell me where the savings are. It's just driving up prices for livestock feed! This country needs to get self sufficient! Whatever happened to our own refineries in Anwar (SP) Alaska? Ah yes the environment, does anyone have a CLUE how HUGE Alaska is? HELLO? What about us humans? It's like we're regarded a vistors from another planet!!! Give me a break.
As for this strike, I'm all for it. After just 48 hours there will be a panic! It won't take long to empty a grocery store! People will have to take a stand! My dad drove truck for years and I have nothing but ABSOLUTE respect for you guys. I say LEAD THE WAY!

[tkmartin33]

angry american wrote:

the politicians, oil companies and big bussiness are all laughing. the majority of us(poor) are about to loose everything. we need to revolt against all the ones gauging us. if we are not in a depression YET, we will be soon.somethings gotta give..........

AMEN!

[bob]

OK, YOU BETTER ALL (TRUCKERS) GET OFF YOUR ASS AND CALL FOR SUPPORT ON THE NEW BILL COMING OUT LAND LINE MAG SPECIAL REPORT APRIL 24 ----------BILL SEEKS TO END FUEL SURCHARGE SKIMMING----OOIDA--TALK THE TALK GUYS ----------CAN YA WALK THE WALK----------OR JUST BEND OVER AND SMILE.

[JUST 18 WHEELS]

10-4 Bob, Get ON this guys! Acouple of phone calls and E-mails is all it takes...HIT THOSE STATE REPS HARD NOW!!!!!!!!!!

[Lady Grape]

This whole thing sux in plain english!!!!!!!!!! by the time the money makers do anything about anything were all going to go broke! fuel is up again...GEE WHAT A SURPRISE! I want to know how they expect our familys to survive this mess.