Weekend May Tell Truckers' Strike Impact

[Bruce]

You could go to the Hal turner show web and ask to use some space there,I bet he would agree ,he can only say no but I don't think he will.

[roofgoof]

Hammer Down wrote:

Go on strike? Bush will send in National Guard to deliver the goods.
You are going to jail, Bubbah! Federal Pen. This is against security, peace and welfare of the nation.

that was tried once before with the railroads and it failed. as over half of the workers are/were in the military all they will do is booby trap their vehicles.

[BRUNO DVILLE]

COME ON TRUCKERS LETS SHUT THEMS DOWN

[Prisoner Of The Highway]

Let's face it partners, the cost of the "regretable" fuel we all need is not going to come down on price!
The priority we need to work on is getting the cost of frieght up to a level where we can all make money to survive, but to help maintain our trucks and equipment, and yet put more money back into the bank!
It allways looks like the so-called surcharge has more fingers in our raisen pies than we think, we all need help in getting those little fingers out of our surchsrge, and letting the brokers know thats bullsh*t, and give the trucking people back what is actually theirs to begin with!
The cost of transporting the cargo has to increase, or we WILL NOT MAKE IT! Truck on my Brothers and Sisters!!!

[Midnightrider]

Prisoner Of The Highway wrote:

Let's face it partners, the cost of the "regretable" fuel we all need is not going to come down on price!
The priority we need to work on is getting the cost of frieght up to a level where we can all make money to survive, but to help maintain our trucks and equipment, and yet put more money back into the bank!
It allways looks like the so-called surcharge has more fingers in our raisen pies than we think, we all need help in getting those little fingers out of our surchsrge, and letting the brokers know thats bullsh*t, and give the trucking people back what is actually theirs to begin with!
The cost of transporting the cargo has to increase, or we WILL NOT MAKE IT! Truck on my Brothers and Sisters!!!

You are right. I think we will need a political solution. The exact same problems were happening in 1930's leading to REGULATION of RATES. Regulation was far from perfect, but we were a lot better off then we are now. It has been done before, and it worked!

[ferd]

ferd

[ZATURD]

ZATURD

[BRUNO DVILLE]

BRUNO DVILLE wrote:

COME ON TRUCKERS LETS SHUT THEMS DOWN

GO GO TRUCKERS SHUT THEM RD. DOWN THEY WILL GET THE GAS DOWN I WILL HELP TOO I PUT MY BIG TRUCK OUT THERE MS. BRUNO

[roofgoof]

Midnightrider wrote:

<quoted text>You are right. I think we will need a political solution. The exact same problems were happening in 1930's leading to REGULATION of RATES. Regulation was far from perfect, but we were a lot better off then we are now. It has been done before, and it worked!

heres a thought:the next president through an executive order freezes all fuel prices at current levels indefinately, we know bush dont have the cajones to do that

[eternal cynic]

roofgoof wrote:

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heres a thought:the next president through an executive order freezes all fuel prices at current levels indefinately, we know bush dont have the cajones to do that

OK, let’s assume Bush does sign such an executive order. How long do you think it would take the refiners to simply shut down? They could only operate at a loss for so long.

The two largest problems which contribute to higher gasoline/diesel costs are increased demand for oil by other nations. Specifically China and India. The major problem is the devaluation of the US dollar. Our increased trade deficit continues to devalue our dollar. All those inexpensive Chinese goods are substantially responsible for that.

The freeze you suggest would do little more than further damage our already fragile economy.

[Long Haul Driver]

what do you mean operate at a loss? have you not paid attn. to any news? hell even the kids weekly reader has had stories about it. the oil companies and raking in record profits in the BILLIONS, yes BILLIONS, who do you think operates the oil refineries? hhhhmmm maybe the oil companies. so where the hell is the loss?
oh no, maybe the executives Would have to delay thier bonuses 15 miniutes while they cry over thier profits of BILLIONS of dollars. but I should have paid attn. your an ACLU member. god forbid, the american who is getting screwed over by the oil companies, how dare we infringe on the rights of oil exeutives rights to multimillion dollar bonuses.

eternal cynic wrote:

<quoted text>
OK, let’s assume Bush does sign such an executive order. How long do you think it would take the refiners to simply shut down? They could only operate at a loss for so long.
The two largest problems which contribute to higher gasoline/diesel costs are increased demand for oil by other nations. Specifically China and India. The major problem is the devaluation of the US dollar. Our increased trade deficit continues to devalue our dollar. All those inexpensive Chinese goods are substantially responsible for that.
The freeze you suggest would do little more than further damage our already fragile economy.

[eternal cynic]

Long Haul Driver wrote:

what do you mean operate at a loss? have you not paid attn. to any news? hell even the kids weekly reader has had stories about it. the oil companies and raking in record profits in the BILLIONS, yes BILLIONS, who do you think operates the oil refineries? hhhhmmm maybe the oil companies. so where the hell is the loss?
<quoted text>

Read further, the premise of loss was based on a price freeze.

[Rally girl]

Truckers And Citizens United


TRUCKERS AND CITIZENS UNITE
AGAINST HIGH FUEL PRICES

(Please Fly The American Flag To Identify Yourself As A Rally Participant)

RALLY IN D.C.
April 28, 2008
Monday - 10:00am to 4:00pm
(Permits In Hand)
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WHERE
In Front Of OUR Government Capitol

Every American Citizen
able to attend is urged to participate.

We need to stand in solidarity.

A SHOW OF UNITY IS WHAT GETS OUR GOVERNMENT'S
ATTENTION

**********
This DOES affect each and every one of us.

We are all digging deep in our pockets
for gas, groceries,$$ to buy heating oil, etc.

Americans united together will be heard,
this means we will make a difference.

LETS TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!

STAND UP, SPEAK OUT OR ACCEPT WHAT COMES!!!

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This is a multi-state rally, we have trucks coming from Maine and from the south as well. Join in and let our numbers speak for us.

[roofgoof]

eternal cynic wrote:

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Read further, the premise of loss was based on a price freeze.

what loss? oil companies are raking in record profits the oil companies arent going to lose anything over any of this so that utter bullshit

[Midnightrider]

roofgoof wrote:

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heres a thought:the next president through an executive order freezes all fuel prices at current levels indefinately, we know bush dont have the cajones to do that

Regulation of FREIGHT rates to cover the costs.(If fuel goes up, rates go up).

[Long Haul Driver]

The only way the oil companies will lose on a price freeze is if oil prices drop massively, even if oil were to drop to $80.00 per barrel, they would still be making money. after all they were still making a truckload of money when oil was at $70.00 per barrel. so please explain how there would be a loss to the oil industry?

eternal cynic wrote:

<quoted text>
Read further, the premise of loss was based on a price freeze.

[emptypockets]

One idea is for the government to step in and regulate commercial diesel fuel prices only. One flat price for everyone (this includes JB, Swift etc.) no special tax breaks or incentives....Make if one flat price per gallon, eliminate the individual state taxes on diesel fuel. As for the lack of demand on oil being a cause of our dollar losing value, demand is down because there are less trucks on the roads due to high costs, less cars because of high fuel costs. Other countries are getting their demand for fuel met, we are shipping every gallon of crude out of Alaska and sending it to Japan....look at the foreign markets. U.S. is paying the highest cost for crude oil from OPEC of any nation out there....it is a deliberate attempt to force the U.S. economy weaker and weaker.. They want the U.S. dollar to bottom out, and then next we will convert over to the EURO, just like everyone else and then, all countries will be on a level playing field in the Global Economic Market....this has been the plan for years. If you don't believe this hasn't been part of an ongoing plan,,,,get the following documentary and watch it....or google Zeitgeist and you will see.

[eternal cynic]

Long Haul Driver wrote:

The only way the oil companies will lose on a price freeze is if oil prices drop massively, even if oil were to drop to $80.00 per barrel, they would still be making money. after all they were still making a truckload of money when oil was at $70.00 per barrel. so please explain how there would be a loss to the oil industry?
<quoted text>

Easy enough.

If there were to be a price freeze on gasoline and diesel (read the original suggestion by roofgoof) and oil were to go up in price the refineries couldn’t raise fuel prices.
Oil will continue increasing in price, particularly foreign oil which we depend so heavily on. We can not place a price freeze on imported oil. The oil producers of the world would simply sell more to China and other countries.

Let’s make this more simple.

You have a lemonade stand. The government mandates you must freeze the price of your lemonade to one dollar per glass. Your current cost to produce lemonade is 80 cents. You’re still content and sell your lemonade. Over time your cost for lemons increases and it now costs you $1.05 per glass to produce one glass. You’re now losing money, you can still only sell it for $1. The government has mandated you can not increase your price and there’s nothing you can do about the price of lemons.

Sure, we have domestic oil sources and I’m sure the government could slap a price freeze on them as well. That doesn’t work with foreign producers. So bottom line if our government were to freeze fuel prices and the cost of foreign oil were to rise the refiners could begin to lose money.

I didn’t suggest the refiners are losing money now. But, they could under a price freeze. Most likely they would simply shut down rather than lose money. A price freeze isn’t the answer.

[emptypockets]

you have to take into consideration that over 43 percent of our domestic crude is shipped overseas...stop shipping our crude overseas and we would not have to buy from foreign nations....bottom line, if this country would stop babysitting and worrying about everyone else and start supporting it's own people...we wouldn't be in this mess, and you and I and everyone out there are to blame..just keep buying those imported goods, and supporting foreign economies,,,just keep putting US Companies out of business...the decline in American owned and operated business is one of the leading causes of the mess this economy is in. We rely to much on foreign trade markets for our goods. We need to stop buying from and selling to foreign countries and start becoming self sufficient. Because when the other shoe drops do really think any of these other countries are going to bail us out and take care of our people here in this country. Because if you do, your a fool. We need to stop worrying about everyone else's problems out there and start taking care of our own home here......

[MarieLindeen]

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