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STOP SMOKING! Start Dipping or Chewing (All Newbies Welcome)

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Stokers_Girl01

Leitchfield, KY

#1 Apr 16, 2010
I've noticed an increase in the interest of smokeless tobacco. GOOD THERE SHOULD BE! This spot is just another thread for newbies to get answers to their questions if they have any. If you're a non tobacco user who's looking to scare people or express your opinion about smokeless tobacco...then I welcome you too! I love a good discussion..because I have opinions too.
I'm sure somewhere in here someone has mentioned this but I'll say it again to clear it up. There's a difference between chewing and dipping. I know because I do both. I DIP Stokers Wintergreen L/C and I CHEW Stoker's Butternut Chew. Dip is put in the lip. Tobacco Chew is packed in your mouth and lightly chewed. Stoker's Dip is the best dip you can get. I also love their chew. The dip comes in a big 12 oz. tub with a little can inside for easy carry. I usually get a can for a little under 10 bucks.*sigh..nothing spells lovin' like a Big A$$ Green Can of Dip!*
Let me clear up some more things for the newbies. Dip does not have Fiberglass in it. That's an urban legend at best. What burns in dip is the salt they put in it to promote saliva. Grizzly has a lot of salt in it. Stoker's and brands like skoal don't. If you're getting a lot of gum irritation, it's probably because your dip is drying out or there's too many slivers of stems in it or...you have a low tolerance to salt.
For you smokers trying to quit smoking by switching to smokeless tobacco, don't give up guys. It's not that cigarettes offers you more pleasure, it's because your body is addicted to the other chemicals in the cigarette. When I stopped smoking I dipped like crazy to keep my brain busy when the cravings hit. Now I'm a lazy dipper *no so frantic anymore.* I dip and chew because I love it. If you're about to drop cigarettes for smokeless tobacco, I would suggest dip. I suggest Dip in the pouches more than anything...but only at first. That why you don't feel weird having to get the hang of dipping loose dip right away. If the dip you get doesn't do it for you..find another kind of dip. Grizz is too salty for me and as much as I love Skoal, it's a bit weak. That's why it's lovingly called "cowboy candy." Copenhagen is pretty popular. I like Stokers of course because it lasts forever and have a great taste and it doesn't come apart in your mouth as easy as some. The only down side is, it's hard to get anything other than wintergreen. Bummer.
Chewing and dipping is safer than smoking. Let me repeat myself! CHEWING AND DIPPING IS SAFER THAN SMOKING FOR YOU AND EVERYONE AROUND YOU. Regardless of what BS Lab tests say. Putting a piece of tobacco in your mouth and chewing it or leaving it in your lip is much safer then rolling it up, setting it on fire and inhaling the smoke/fumes. It's just common sense.
Another piece of common sense: take care of your teeth/gums! Rinse your mouth out when you're done dipping or chewing. Don't let that stuff sit on your teeth all day. You might as well coat your teeth with sugar and soft drinks and never brush. I'll check back for questions..or in some cases, sermons about tobacco being the devil. HAPPY DIPPING EVERYBODY!:D

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JUST AS BAD

Chiefland, FL

#2 May 12, 2010
Please remember that it is still just as, if not more addictive. It is NOT safer, no matter what you think. Science backs this up... It is something proven. This is a rumor that many believe; the truth is that is just as bad, if not worse than other tobacco products
Yes, people around you don't get the second-hand smoke, but you are sending the nicotine and chemicals into your blood stream faster! The fiberglass used in smokeless tobacco cuts your gums and lips just enough to send disgusting ingriedients into your body.
ALL tobacco is bad. I do not mean this just because of what we learn during Guidance in elementary school. I am talking about hurting yourself. Would your family want this? Would your child want to see your jaw removed from your face while you battle oral cancer and explain to your wife/husband that you have a life expectancy of a year more?
If this isn't enough, I will back myself up with a real-life story from someone who talked to me personally. Gruen VonBehrens knows what smokeless tobacco is... He used it himself.
http://whyquit.com/whyquit%5CA_Gruen.html
I wouldn't be blogging about this issue if I wanted the world to go through what Mr. Gruen had to. I wouldn't be trying to stop the tobacco industries. But I am. And I will continue to put the other side of the story out to the public because it's important. It's just as bad.
elle

Chiefland, FL

#3 May 20, 2010
Drew ako bropaterno

Seattle, WA

#4 May 20, 2010
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Robert

Warren, MI

#5 May 21, 2010
@ Just as bad: If you do real research by independent, unbiased scientists, not ones hired by the American Cancer Society or similar agencies, you'll find that oral use of tobacco is moderately safer than smoking. The actual chance of getting cancer is greatly reduced. The chance of getting white lesions in your mouth is very high if you continue to dip for a prolonged period of time, but the chance of it ever turning cancerous is much less than lesions associated with smoking tobacco. @ Stokers girl: You can't call lab tests (done correctly, without an agenda and a preset outcome) bullshit. Science is science and results are results. These results just happen to bolset your case, somewhat. Now the bad news. While there is less of a chance of getting cancer, the risk is still there. There is no safe tobacco, period. Besides cancer, there's the rotten teeth and receding gums... but again, these risks have been overblown and magnified by anti-tobacco groups. I smoke regularly and dip occasionally. I know the risks. Learn REAL information.
Robert

Warren, MI

#6 May 21, 2010
@ Just as bad: You are an idiot, for real. There is no, I repeat, NO fiberglass used in dip to "cut the gums for nicotine delivery" or whatever the rumor suggests. That would be counterproductive and makes no sense. Cutting the gums would make them bleed (minutely, not even noticably... but still, they would bleed)which is meant to expell material from the body, NOT absorb it! Then you would have micro-scabs which nicotine wouldn't even permeate. Nicotine absorbs through the membranes in your mouth easily without aid from fiberglass or anything of that nature. I'm not saying tobacco is harmless. It kills thousands of people per year. Cigarettes are one of the worst things you can probably put in your body. But no matter how bad you want dip to be just as bad, it isn't. It's risky, as is all tobacco use, but it isn't as bad. Get your facts straight and stop promoting and spreading misinformation. When people find out it's false, then the information you want them to absorb gets thrown out as well as "fiction". You're doing a disservice to your cause.
Drew

Seattle, WA

#7 May 21, 2010
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Educating the Dense

Leitchfield, KY

#8 May 21, 2010
Would you like some science to eat? Lies back up your theory. Here's some real science for you:

Scientists and Bio-tech’s alike have seemed to have stumbled on an interesting fact or two about the uses of tobacco. It seems that the stimulant nicotine actually protects the body from certain illnesses.The studies have revealed *and I quote*“…its effects on the brain show
great promise for helping us improve our physical and mental health.” Clinical
trials are showing that nicotine -- which acts on the receptors in the brain –can aid
in the treatment of wounds, depression, schizophrenia, Alzheimer's disease,
Tourette Syndrome, ADHD, anxiety, and other disorders.

(Since some Anti-tobacco supporters need to see proof, it's listed below)

*Sources:

1. http://www.jointogether.org/news/head .../inthenews/2007/medical-u.. .

2. http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/SUA03/medi...

I also wanted to add another source of information. This is an UNBIASED study about the levels of harmful chemicals found in tobacco products. The beginning starts out with a special note from the Editor of this published study who addresses the negative theories of tobacco use:

Most health professionals recognize that smokeless tobacco (SLT) use is associated with oral cancer. However, many have an exaggerated perception of the magnitude of the risk, and there is little understanding or discussion of historical and contemporary scientific data relevant to the association. This review by Rodu and Jansson establishes that SLT use carries only modest risk for oral cancer, and it further describes the key agents in SLT that play important roles in raising—or even lowering—this risk. In other words, it challenges conventional perceptions about SLT use and provides interesting and surprising information about SLT products.

— Olav Alvares, Editor

One of the conclusions from this study found that: the use of chewing tobacco and moist snuff is associated with very low risks for cancers of the oral cavity and related structures The study also finds that low oral cancer risk from smokeless tobacco use may be influenced by the presence of cancer inhibitors, mainly anti-oxidants, in smokeless tobacco products.

For more on this study you can check out http://cro.sagepub.com/cgi/content/full/15/5/...

A VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO THE ANTI-TOBACCO PEOPLE WHO INSPIRED THIS SEARCH. After all, I never would have felt the desire to look all this stuff up to share it with everyone if they hadn't come a long. Happy Dipping Everyone!
Educating the Dense

Leitchfield, KY

#9 May 21, 2010
Drew wrote:
http://www.chewww.webs.com/ check it out guys plz commment and post to
A new site for smokeless tobacco? I love it!
Rogue7

Leitchfield, KY

#10 May 21, 2010
elle wrote:
http://mylastdip.com/?gclid=CM vKqovF4aECFReenAodRBKALQ
Good that's nice you had your last dip. Please say it's because you wanted to stop using dip and not because you think it's going to kill you because that would be the wrong idea.
Rogue7

Leitchfield, KY

#11 May 21, 2010
Drew ako bropaterno wrote:
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That's an awesome site! I'll have a look around later.
Rogue7

Leitchfield, KY

#12 May 21, 2010
JUST AS BAD wrote:
Please remember that it is still just as, if not more addictive. It is NOT safer, no matter what you think. Science backs this up... It is something proven. This is a rumor that many believe; the truth is that is just as bad, if not worse than other tobacco products
Yes, people around you don't get the second-hand smoke, but you are sending the nicotine and chemicals into your blood stream faster! The fiberglass used in smokeless tobacco cuts your gums and lips just enough to send disgusting ingriedients into your body.
ALL tobacco is bad. I do not mean this just because of what we learn during Guidance in elementary school. I am talking about hurting yourself. Would your family want this? Would your child want to see your jaw removed from your face while you battle oral cancer and explain to your wife/husband that you have a life expectancy of a year more?
If this isn't enough, I will back myself up with a real-life story from someone who talked to me personally. Gruen VonBehrens knows what smokeless tobacco is... He used it himself.
http://whyquit.com/whyquit%5CA_Gruen.html
I wouldn't be blogging about this issue if I wanted the world to go through what Mr. Gruen had to. I wouldn't be trying to stop the tobacco industries. But I am. And I will continue to put the other side of the story out to the public because it's important. It's just as bad.
This side of the argument is the OTHER SIDE. You're side is the one with all the money. Posting ads about dip killing people, your side of the argument put up posters in south america of an aborted baby laying in a dirty sink surrounded by cig butts.....THAT'S DISGUSTING AND NOT A TRUE DEPICTION OF THE DANGERS OF SMOKING. Scare mongers. EVERY ONE OF YOU!
Stokers_Girl01

Leitchfield, KY

#13 May 21, 2010
JUST AS BAD wrote:
Please remember that it is still just as, if not more addictive. It is NOT safer, no matter what you think. Science backs this up... It is something proven. This is a rumor that many believe; the truth is that is just as bad, if not worse than other tobacco products
Yes, people around you don't get the second-hand smoke, but you are sending the nicotine and chemicals into your blood stream faster! The fiberglass used in smokeless tobacco cuts your gums and lips just enough to send disgusting ingriedients into your body.
ALL tobacco is bad. I do not mean this just because of what we learn during Guidance in elementary school. I am talking about hurting yourself. Would your family want this? Would your child want to see your jaw removed from your face while you battle oral cancer and explain to your wife/husband that you have a life expectancy of a year more?
If this isn't enough, I will back myself up with a real-life story from someone who talked to me personally. Gruen VonBehrens knows what smokeless tobacco is... He used it himself.
http://whyquit.com/whyquit%5CA_Gruen.html
I wouldn't be blogging about this issue if I wanted the world to go through what Mr. Gruen had to. I wouldn't be trying to stop the tobacco industries. But I am. And I will continue to put the other side of the story out to the public because it's important. It's just as bad.
More proof that Smokeless Tobacco is not as harmful as previously thought can be found in an article that was published in a Medical Journal just last year... "Our paper shows very clearly that, in marked contrast to smoking, smokeless tobacco use carries little or no risk of cancer. Concerns about possible effects of smokeless tobacco on oral cancer are answered by our analysis showing a lack of relationship based on the combined evidence from those 14 studies published since 1990 which allow adequate control for effects of smoking."

SmokeHarmReduction.org stated: "Contrary to popular belief, smokeless tobacco is not a major health hazard. In fact, it has not been definitively linked to any deadly disease. More important, to the extent that it causes any risks, the scientific evidence clearly shows that the risks are very small."

To read more, please visit these links:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/...

http://tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq/healtheff...
Stokers_Girl01

Leitchfield, KY

#14 May 21, 2010
"Gruen VonBehrens knows what smokeless tobacco is... He used it himself." ----Tisk Tisk. Are we sure it was cancer caused from Tobacco? I don't think so. Did you know that some mouth infections can be so bad they turn into a flesh eating virus that consumes the face? It's unfortunate but some tobacco users don't take care of their mouths very well. There's a higher risk of getting mouth cancer from drinking whiskey then there is from smokeless tobacco..I'm tired of looking up this information for you because you refuse to see both sides of this stupid dispute. Look it up yourself.
Bropaterno

Seattle, WA

#15 May 24, 2010
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aaa

Chiefland, FL

#16 May 24, 2010
Stokers_Girl01 wrote:
"Gruen VonBehrens knows what smokeless tobacco is... He used it himself." ----Tisk Tisk. Are we sure it was cancer caused from Tobacco? I don't think so. Did you know that some mouth infections can be so bad they turn into a flesh eating virus that consumes the face? It's unfortunate but some tobacco users don't take care of their mouths very well. There's a higher risk of getting mouth cancer from drinking whiskey then there is from smokeless tobacco..I'm tired of looking up this information for you because you refuse to see both sides of this stupid dispute. Look it up yourself.
His doctor certainly thought so. And getting oral cancer that young is EXTREMELY rare without an actual cause. If you want to defy a doctor or a dentist that went to college and learned about this, that's your choice. But that doesn't mean it's true... Maybe you should speak to Mr. Gruen before you speak about him.
Stokers_Girl01

Leitchfield, KY

#17 May 24, 2010
aaa wrote:
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His doctor certainly thought so. And getting oral cancer that young is EXTREMELY rare without an actual cause. If you want to defy a doctor or a dentist that went to college and learned about this, that's your choice. But that doesn't mean it's true... Maybe you should speak to Mr. Gruen before you speak about him.
You're the one speaking about him. I wouldn't know anything about his awful fate if you hadn't brought him up. Science says dip only increases your chances of getting mouth cancer by 1%. I'm sure genetic make up has to do with that also. I don't trust doctors..or dentists...I don't trust anyone that gets paid to save my life by treating me with medicine they get kick backs off of for pushing it on me.
aaa

Chiefland, FL

#18 May 26, 2010
oral cancer isn't a joke though... i don't know where you got your facts, but i know that science proves that oral cancer is a much higher percentage if you use smokeless tobacco.
Stokers_Girl01

Leitchfield, KY

#19 May 26, 2010
aaa wrote:
oral cancer isn't a joke though... i don't know where you got your facts, but i know that science proves that oral cancer is a much higher percentage if you use smokeless tobacco.
If you would read the research links I gave you instead of being willfully dense, you'd see where I get my information from. Oral cancer's percentage is NOT as high as previously thought..Recent studies prove this fact!
James Walker

Kent, WA

#20 Jun 2, 2010
"If you would read the research links I gave you instead of being willfully dense, you'd see where I get my information from. Oral cancer's percentage is NOT as high as previously thought..Recent studies prove this fact!"
It's even lower the studies with moderate risk increase were based off of consumption of dry snuff like brutton, rooster, and W.E. Garret. These products have literally one times as many carcinogens as some dipping tobacco, and thats where people get the smokeless tobacco increases oral cancer risk by ten times as much and fifty times as much for gum cancer. Even that percentage increase gives you like a one percent chance of death.
"oral cancer isn't a joke though... i don't know where you got your facts, but i know that science proves that oral cancer is a much higher percentage if you use smokeless tobacco."
Why does West Virginia have a lower rate of oral cancer than the U.S. average when twenty percent of the poulation use smokeless tobacco?

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