Teachers step back, give up pay hikes...

Teachers step back, give up pay hikes | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 166 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jun 12, 2011, titled Teachers step back, give up pay hikes | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Some local teachers are giving up a benefit they have rarely sacrificed: automatic pay bumps linked to their education and years of service.

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Out in the Country

Lockbourne, OH

#176 Jun 23, 2011
Retired wrote:
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Sorry, had to edit your response, that pesky character limit again... Given the reasoning you have stated, I can totally understand your point of view about Time Magazine as a source. I cherry picked the article based upon the explanations given by military personnel. Other than to have both parents (WWII) and four uncles (WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam) who served in the military (two lifers), it is an area in which I have no expertise.
The points made in the article made sense to an individual like me -it did not advocate the elimination of defense spending so much as redirection; e.g. reduction in the number of multibillion dollar aircraft carriers/submarines and increasing the number of unmanned drones. The cost difference between them is incredible... including obvious personnel differences.
The conversation at the time had to do with the national debt. The other individual was focused on the stimulus dollars. He cherry picked $800,000 used to teach Africans to wash their genitals and then made a crude reference... I did a little research and discovered that the $800,000 was part of a $12M grant AIDS grant to UCLA. When I challenged him, including pointing out pending legislation in CA that would make circumscision of children illegal, he walked away from the discussion.
Does that help explain my frustration/confusion?
Absolutely! That is an example of why I avoid referring to "outside" sources because then the argument can become infantile (as in what happened to you) or becomes an argument over the trustworthiness of the source - which is valid - but then that usually gives way to a "footnote pissing match" where people point to this source, and some counters with another source, and then another, etc, and then you suddenly find yourself debating something else entirely.

Also, I wasn't trying to deny your frustration, I was merely attempting to show you why some folks like myself may tend to ignore "outside" references, especially to sources that tend toward one political viewpoint or another.

I believe that most debates can be kept at a high theoretical level, as that is the true source of people's differences. It drives their vision of what they think society should look like and what various components of that society should be doing.
Retired

Columbus, OH

#177 Jun 24, 2011
Out in the Country wrote:
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Absolutely! That is an example of why I avoid referring to "outside" sources because then the argument can become infantile (as in what happened to you) or becomes an argument over the trustworthiness of the source - which is valid - but then that usually gives way to a "footnote pissing match" where people point to this source, and some counters with another source, and then another, etc, and then you suddenly find yourself debating something else entirely.
Also, I wasn't trying to deny your frustration, I was merely attempting to show you why some folks like myself may tend to ignore "outside" references, especially to sources that tend toward one political viewpoint or another.
I believe that most debates can be kept at a high theoretical level, as that is the true source of people's differences. It drives their vision of what they think society should look like and what various components of that society should be doing.
I appreciate your comments, especially in light of something that happened two days ago. Because of the type of public service I did (implementation of multiple grants over thirty years at two different human service agencies), I've used life experiences in many of my comments. My experiences have been varied but are pretty typical for someone in my field. I had a younger individual who spends her time researching on the computer and from there drawing conclusions, basically inform me that I was a liar and that my life experiences had not happened. The only payback was to lurk yesterday and watch every other person with whom she tried to debate, basically blow her out of the water. She's quite the piece of work, one individual who actually tried to agree with her, she devolved into calling him names.

Oh, and BTW, the individual who poo poo'ed my Time reference, actually used Time with someone else; had to chuckle. Again, thank you for the cordial conversation.
Out in the Country

Lockbourne, OH

#178 Jun 27, 2011
Retired wrote:
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I appreciate your comments, especially in light of something that happened two days ago. Because of the type of public service I did (implementation of multiple grants over thirty years at two different human service agencies), I've used life experiences in many of my comments. My experiences have been varied but are pretty typical for someone in my field. I had a younger individual who spends her time researching on the computer and from there drawing conclusions, basically inform me that I was a liar and that my life experiences had not happened. The only payback was to lurk yesterday and watch every other person with whom she tried to debate, basically blow her out of the water. She's quite the piece of work, one individual who actually tried to agree with her, she devolved into calling him names.
Oh, and BTW, the individual who poo poo'ed my Time reference, actually used Time with someone else; had to chuckle. Again, thank you for the cordial conversation.
Yep - that's a reason to avoid anecdotal evidence! And, it has been a good conversation with you as well.
The Principal

Reynoldsburg, OH

#179 Jun 27, 2011
Teachers need their pay reduced cause they are fat and lazy milkduds!
coup

Cincinnati, OH

#180 Jun 27, 2011
The Principal wrote:
Teachers need their pay reduced cause they are fat and lazy milkduds!
u r a puke
the principal

Reynoldsburg, OH

#181 Jun 27, 2011
coup wrote:
<quoted text> u r a puke
I know you are but what am I ! All union members of the state should have their pay reduced cause they are losers like you Mr. chicken coup! Especially teachers cause they are milk duds!

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