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Worthington teachers support revised, longer contract | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 48 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jun 8, 2011, titled Worthington teachers support revised, longer contract | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Worthington teachers agreed yesterday to replace their contract for the 2011-12 school year with a three-year pact that would include a freeze on raises, including some step increases, which are awarded for education and experience.

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Powell, OH

#1 Jun 8, 2011
one of the cuts "overwhelmingly" agreed upon by the union was the cut to the financial literacy programs which would have educated students on unsustainable debt loads their generation is sentenced to and the enslavements of debt peonage.
Real Get Real

United States

#2 Jun 8, 2011
Diebold:$100 million giveaway
American Greetings:$93.5 million giveaway (CEO than "earned" 18% raise)
Bob Evans:$8 million giveaway
Kasich's staff:$50,000/yr raises
... on and on...

And we're cutting education?
tax payer

Columbus, OH

#3 Jun 8, 2011
As a Worthington resident I appreciate the concessions made by the teachers. My son has had a great experience in Worthington schools and we truly appreciate his teachers.

It is a shame that the governor's budget is hitting schools so hard! If Worthington schools were charter schools there would be plenty of money for them. But my son would receive a poor quality education. Public education can't win with Kasich.
Ghost of Eugene Debs

Akron, OH

#4 Jun 8, 2011
The world is turned topsy-turvy by the right wingers who want to cede all power to the corporations. The economy is hurting due to the unlimited greed of the financial industry, and their abettors in Congress who relaxed what little restraint and accountability we the people once had over them(e.g. the overturning of Glass-Steagall, the allowing of unchecked derivatives by Democrat Bill Clinton and Republican Phil Gramm). The public bailed out the culprits with trillions from the public coffers, and now the shrinking middle class is being asked to make cuts and concessions because of it. Meanwhile, the shift in wealth over the last 30 years has dramatically shifted to the upper few percent, and those poor souls are asked to pay nothing.

It's class warfare people, and we the people are getting a butt whooping. If you don't see it I suggest you turn off all corporate media and begin education yourself on what the real political spectrum is. Corporate fascism, of course, is to the extreme right, and these oligarchs appetites for unlimited wealth is insatiable. Now they will dismantle the safety net, such as Social Security--which we pay our of our own pockets and is distinct from the budget—and Medicare, which could easily fixed by expanding our whole health care system to an efficient single-payer system and kicking out the moneyed, corporate infiltration of it which is sucking the life of it. Note how they are making the meaning of “entitlements” as being something negative, when is truth the reason we are entitled to it is, for SS, because we pay for all of it through payroll taxes, and Medicare, because we as a people know the a just society doesn’t kick the elderly and infirmed to the curb.

Educators, listen up! No cuts and no concessions. You earn your money, and if you back down we, and the American people, will end up with a completely privatized education system that will not only not create a level playing field of opportunity for all citizens, it will end the creation of a critically aware public who can see through the smoke of the moneyed, right wing interests and all its spin. Come to think of it, it seems a good portion of our population cannot already see through the smoke screen of spin. Teachers, and all public sector and union members stand strong. Unite, and fight back. www.laborfightback.org
Mr Right

Powell, OH

#5 Jun 8, 2011
Good start.
Shakin My Head

United States

#6 Jun 8, 2011
Way to go Worthington....Another district gets a contract to protect from any of the SB5 mess. It was reported that the State employees thru collective bargaining have saved the State of Ohio $28.5 million....http://www.plunderb und.com/2011/06/06/states-labo r-advisor-finds-no-indefensibl e-union-benefits/
Emma

Bucyrus, OH

#7 Jun 8, 2011
Isn't it odd that the Dispatch has suddenly decided to start printing stories on school union concessions?

Obviously their hope is to make the reader believe that this is only happening because of SB5.

Union concessions have been happening since unions begin. This is not new just because the Dispatch has decided it is news.
Junior

Columbus, OH

#8 Jun 8, 2011
I am for freezing everything until we get this SB5 settled. All union dues should be paid directly to the unions from the teachers and not be a payroll deduction. I go back to the movie I saw a few weeks ago "Teachers". Nick Nolte starred in it and it sure was interesting. Unions were running the schools and not the teachers.
Lets get back to reality

Columbus, OH

#9 Jun 8, 2011
Shakin My Head wrote:
Way to go Worthington....Another district gets a contract to protect from any of the SB5 mess. It was reported that the State employees thru collective bargaining have saved the State of Ohio $28.5 million....http://www.plunderb und.com/2011/06/06/states-labo r-advisor-finds-no-indefensibl e-union-benefits/
If you read the article you would have read that this contract is a continuation of concesssions made in 2009, well before SB5. SB5 had nothing to do with this in Worthington, this actually shows how little SB5 is needed and that the logic behind SB5 is lies.
Lets get back to reality

Columbus, OH

#10 Jun 8, 2011
Junior wrote:
I am for freezing everything until we get this SB5 settled. All union dues should be paid directly to the unions from the teachers and not be a payroll deduction. I go back to the movie I saw a few weeks ago "Teachers". Nick Nolte starred in it and it sure was interesting. Unions were running the schools and not the teachers.
Wow, using a 30 year old bad hollywood movie that is made up for entertainment is the basis of your logic. Okay, well none of this matters becuase according to 2012 the world is ending soon. Oh yeah, and Night of the Living Dead says we will all be zombies. Debbie does Dallas says that every man in Dallas is a happy camper. Oh wait, I forgot, we have the X-Men, Ironman, Superman, Batman, and Captian America to save all protect us from the evilness of the world. Just watch out for those Aliens, many movies have shown us they are real and pretty nasty.

Well I got to go, Captain Jack Sparrow just called and we have to go look for the lost city of Atlantis, and maybe do some fishing.
Upnorth

Mount Vernon, OH

#11 Jun 8, 2011
Mr. McCuen:
If you take only your $120,000 salary, and forgo your gold-plated benefits package, which is gross, then we might listen to how your teachers are taking such sacrifices to get your levy passed. And we don't consider your teacher's adjustments to be unprecedented sacrifices, we see them as cuts to get their pay package back in line with market realities.

Your benefits, which pick-up the pick-up, which means most of your benefits gross-up your STRS salary, inflating your retirement package, is a farce. End the farce and we may start voting yes.

Until then, we will vote NO, NO, and NO.
mary

Columbus, OH

#12 Jun 8, 2011
I find it interesting that so many locals(including my own) are signing long term contracts, with significant changes in how wages are determined. My understanding that SB5 is more about pensions and health benefits than wages, but we are giving up steps(yes, I know SB5 would change that) and other incremental wage increases. I assume this is because we want to have as many medical tests and ER visits as we choose. So on the one hand, the supporters of the repeal of SB5 are insisting it is going down to defeat, but we are acting like it will stay as law, and signing whatever is put in front of us. I have seen deadlocks over 1% increases in the past, and union members can't sign quick enough now, to save their jobs.
If SB5 is repealed, it will be interesting to see how school boards act when faced with no money from the state, or fed stimulus.I think SB5 is trying to save us, but we can't see pass the rich contracts of the past and our perks that we are clinging to desperately. I see many giving up $50,000/year jobs to get that one time $35,000 or more severance package. It is interesting to watch, as a teacher, a union member, and a taxpayer.
Been there

Columbus, OH

#13 Jun 8, 2011
These Worthington teachers need to start teaching in Upper Arlington where we teachers expect and will get generous base pay raises as well as step raises. We do the work and we should be pai appropriately for it. Bankers make a lot more and I deserve every penny I get. Our union isn't going to bow to public pressure.
Black Lion

Columbus, OH

#14 Jun 8, 2011
So how does the public put a stop to this?
Where are taxpayers representatives at the collective bargaining table? These are among the highest paid teachers in Ohio who are unwilling to freeze all compensation rates. They still get step raises, cost of living raises, education raises while feigning wage freezes. Federal employees, social security recipients and disabled american veterans have not had a cost of living raise in three years so why do teacher deserve one?
A three year contract is not in the best interests of the taxpayer.
These people aint right

Philo, OH

#15 Jun 8, 2011
Black Lion wrote:
So how does the public put a stop to this?
Where are taxpayers representatives at the collective bargaining table?
You voted for the school board members. They are your reps at the table. Many of BOEs in Ohio have long been a rubber stamp for the requests of the teachers, and it needs to stop. That's the main reason we have the mess now, all over Ohio.
waitingforspring

Pataskala, OH

#16 Jun 8, 2011
How have the administrators helped save the district money? Where's the article on the concessions they are making? Are they even paying a share of their health care and retirement?
Business As Usual

San Diego, CA

#18 Jun 8, 2011
Upnorth wrote:
Mr. McCuen:
If you take only your $120,000 salary, and forgo your gold-plated benefits package, which is gross, then we might listen to how your teachers are taking such sacrifices to get your levy passed. And we don't consider your teacher's adjustments to be unprecedented sacrifices, we see them as cuts to get their pay package back in line with market realities.
Your benefits, which pick-up the pick-up, which means most of your benefits gross-up your STRS salary, inflating your retirement package, is a farce. End the farce and we may start voting yes.
Until then, we will vote NO, NO, and NO.
Of course you will vote no, your kind will always find a reason to vote no.
Anonymous

Dublin, OH

#19 Jun 8, 2011
waitingforspring wrote:
How have the administrators helped save the district money? Where's the article on the concessions they are making? Are they even paying a share of their health care and retirement?
Worthington administrators have not had a raise in years nor is one expected at least through the life of this teachers contract. They have the same health care provisions as the teachers do.
Kahless

Coshocton, OH

#20 Jun 8, 2011
mary wrote:
I find it interesting that so many locals(including my own) are signing long term contracts, with significant changes in how wages are determined. My understanding that SB5 is more about pensions and health benefits than wages, but we are giving up steps(yes, I know SB5 would change that) and other incremental wage increases. I assume this is because we want to have as many medical tests and ER visits as we choose. So on the one hand, the supporters of the repeal of SB5 are insisting it is going down to defeat, but we are acting like it will stay as law, and signing whatever is put in front of us. I have seen deadlocks over 1% increases in the past, and union members can't sign quick enough now, to save their jobs.
If SB5 is repealed, it will be interesting to see how school boards act when faced with no money from the state, or fed stimulus.I think SB5 is trying to save us, but we can't see pass the rich contracts of the past and our perks that we are clinging to desperately. I see many giving up $50,000/year jobs to get that one time $35,000 or more severance package. It is interesting to watch, as a teacher, a union member, and a taxpayer.
Think about it. If your salary and that of the other teachers is not dependent anymore (or allowed to be) on your level of experience or your level of education, then everyone gets the same salary, most likely about 10% below the average of the school district. So new teachers, teachers with 30 years experience, teachers with a doctorate, everyone would get about $50,000 a year plus "merit pay". So anyone above $50,000 would get a pay cut, anyone below, a pay raise. Merit pay would be available for everyone other than the librarians, school nurses, music teachers, PE teachers, guidance counselors, special education teachers, foreign language teachers and the rest who do not have state or federal mandated standardized tests. Chaos will reign. Do you really think that new first year teacher ext to you in the lunch room deserves the same pay you are getting?
wondering

United States

#21 Jun 8, 2011
Black Lion wrote:
So how does the public put a stop to this?
Where are taxpayers representatives at the collective bargaining table? These are among the highest paid teachers in Ohio who are unwilling to freeze all compensation rates. They still get step raises, cost of living raises, education raises while feigning wage freezes. Federal employees, social security recipients and disabled american veterans have not had a cost of living raise in three years so why do teacher deserve one?
A three year contract is not in the best interests of the taxpayer.
Dear black lion,

Is your whole life revolving around the dispatch blog? Do you work? Man you are on this crap constantly. Just saying.

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