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Worthington Schools' support staff union passes 3-year pact, will forgo raise till 2013-14 | The ...

There are 28 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jun 25, 2011, titled Worthington Schools' support staff union passes 3-year pact, will forgo raise till 2013-14 | The .... In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Bus drivers, food-service employees, secretaries and other classified workers in Worthington have ratified a three-year contract that includes a salary freeze for part of the term.

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boo hoo

Columbus, OH

#22 Jun 25, 2011
Jensta wrote:
"Boo Hoo." Your chosen moniker is exactly the kind of public employee entitlement mindset that I was talking about. Commenting on a busy restaurant parking lot as proof of private sector wellness is laughable. I'd wager that most of those patrons are state employees anyway, taking time off from demanding moremoremore at the statehouse. But I digress.
The 4 CPD positions were for dispatchers, and yes, Boo, there were *more* than 2700 applicants for them. If you want to talk about open spots for CPD officers, I'll refer you to the 40-page wait list of people trying to get in.
By the way, if you got a GI Bill then you did not pay your own way through college. It's just another form of taxpayer support. That isn't to say our military doesn't earn it, but it is what it is nonetheless. You've essentially gone your entire adult life in one form or another of the public sector. I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, but explains why don't know how it is out here.
Finally, that you are ABLE to put money towards your retirement illustrates how much better off you are than most. You're ABLE to "sign up" for extra hours. That's great for you and your family, but remember that situations like yours are the exception, not the rule. Most people are struggling just to stay in their homes, and don't have the luxury of thinking about retirement. Don't you dare make light of that suffering.
Well, I have to say that you are the bigger cry baby than most right wing pundits on these pages. You can't get a good job so you bash the ones that can. My point is that I have worked hard to get where I am and I have gotten there by working hard. My GI Bill was earned by my service to my country. See I made about 400.00 a month, the other 300.00 I made went to savings bonds, in the serivce of my country with the knowledge that I would be paid about 500.00 at some future point to go to college. So you see, I PLAN ahead. I know that the stereo system or whatever the other men in my platoon spent their money on was not as important that saving for the future. I did that on my own, it's called responsibility.
And as far as knowing what it is like out there, I deal with "it" everyday. I know what poverty is, I work in "it" evertyday. I see what bad choices people make, the lack of vision for the future, which steeles my resolve to PLAN for mine. I don't make light of anyone's suffering, I know what people are capable of when they think that they are out of options. You are the one who needs to come to reality. You think that the whole mess the state is in is because of people like me. What about the people who allowed the banks to profit on mortages that they knew people couldn't pay for? Aren't the banks, the ones we the tax payers bailed out, culpable? What about wall street, of which your boy Kasuck worked, lenders, builder, realtors, credit card lenders? Think that they may have caused this mess? Nope, it's the city and state workers. What about the democratic congress, lead by Barney Frank, who told Freddie and Franie Mack, to lend to more people? Then Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, directs the Federal Housing Authority (FHA) to buy up loans that are facing foreclosure.
Unlike you, I don't expect others to feel bad for me or take care of me. I live within my means. I do know what it is like to eat Ramen noodles and hot dogs, I did it. I worked 30-40 hours, at 3 part time jobs, while taking a full course load through college. I lived on my own since I was 18, no one gave me a full ride. You need to quit thinking that you are a conservative, you seem to want other people to take care of you. When you see people doing what they are supposed to do, paying their own way, you think that they are getting over on you and you want to take from them. Don't look now, but that is pretty socialist of you. What would the other tea partiers think?
Real Get Real

Columbus, OH

#23 Jun 25, 2011
Jensta, get over the anger part. It isn't healthy. I lost my job due to outsourcing and man was I pissed off at the world. At some point, you have to move on and take responsibility for yourself. Yeah, my family is living now on a teacher's salary and have had to downsize in a big way - probably lose our home, too, once Kasich gets his way. We've given up college for the kids, selling everything we can on eBay, living on the coupons and value brands. We're not at a soup kitchen yet, but we know how close we are. Like I keep saying, teacher families aren't immune to the recession.

Most of my friends and relatives are still living large. Not sure where there "shared sacrifice" is. Some are taking vacations to islands and overseas. Others are buying new cars or upgrading houses. My neighbors just got a new Lexus SUV, the other a new vintage car of some type. They laugh at us living on public employee wages, but there isn't a whole hell of a lot we can do. But one thing I don't do is blame teachers, police, and fire for the economy - that's ridiculous.

I'm moving on, spent my severance on more college classes, trying to get a foothold. Sure, it is hard, especially with the ageism in the labor market. And now not only is the private sector decimated with jobs, Kasich is now destroying jobs in the public sector. We're really screwed all around.

At some point, people have to wake up and realize that the GOP isn't working towards Ohio but themselves. It wasn't public employees that got us into this mess and demonizing them isn't going to get us out. It might make you feel better for a minute, but doesn't solve anything.

Hey, if your ranting on the forums is a release, do it. But remember what really is going on and vote with a sane mind.

Jensta wrote:
"Boo Hoo." Your chosen moniker is exactly the kind of public employee entitlement mindset that I was talking about. Commenting on a busy restaurant parking lot as proof of private sector wellness is laughable. I'd wager that most of those patrons are state employees anyway, taking time off from demanding moremoremore at the statehouse. But I digress.
The 4 CPD positions were for dispatchers, and yes, Boo, there were *more* than 2700 applicants for them. If you want to talk about open spots for CPD officers, I'll refer you to the 40-page wait list of people trying to get in.
By the way, if you got a GI Bill then you did not pay your own way through college. It's just another form of taxpayer support. That isn't to say our military doesn't earn it, but it is what it is nonetheless. You've essentially gone your entire adult life in one form or another of the public sector. I'm not saying that's a bad thing necessarily, but explains why don't know how it is out here.
Finally, that you are ABLE to put money towards your retirement illustrates how much better off you are than most. You're ABLE to "sign up" for extra hours. That's great for you and your family, but remember that situations like yours are the exception, not the rule. Most people are struggling just to stay in their homes, and don't have the luxury of thinking about retirement. Don't you dare make light of that suffering.
Real Get Real

Columbus, OH

#24 Jun 25, 2011
mary, I am not a fan of either party as both over-reach. There is no question, however, that the Republican party has abandoned its core principles and now primarily focus on the wealthy and large corporations. I used to vote GOP but the current crop of conservatives have a twisted view of what makes America great. Democrats - far from perfect - do look out more for public schools, poor and low income, middle class benefits, Social Security/Medicare, health care.

The scary part is that we're seeing elements of the Republican party embracing such far-right radical ideas and using such extreme tactics to push an ideology that it will be difficult to restore balance to Ohio. Demonizing a group and making them seem the enemy has proven successful in history, but with dire consequences. This is what Kasich, Bachelder, and Neihaus are using to put their jack boot on public workers. Next it will be the elderly, sick, small business, and anybody else that gets in their way.

But I hold out hope in independents and moderates. We're already seeing saner minds emerging in the GOP. Husted has countered the extreme politics of Kasich and Batchelder. I watched Brooks the columnist last night start questioning the extreme politics of Cantor and Norquist. Seitz stepped up and Kasich hammered him for even questioning SB5, but Seitz may have an opening later as the current crop of extremists are dethroned.

There's hope for Ohio, but it may take a while to unravel this amateurish mess.
mary wrote:
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Please understand that you can replace "Republicans" and "GOP" with Democrats and still be believable. The Dems have been masterful at manipulating their image as "for the people" and not in bed with Wall Street, when thier pockets are full of of corporate cash
Gene

Columbus, OH

#25 Jun 25, 2011
GOP policy is tax breaks for the rich and cuts for the middle class,poor, and seniors!
a taxpayer

Lewis Center, OH

#26 Jun 25, 2011
Know the facts wrote:
Have you ever seen the pay scale for support staff in public schools? THEY MAKE VERY LITTLE!!!!!!!! Quit the hate towards public employees! It is sad that the government has brainwashed everyone into blaming public employees when they DID NOT cause the recession! You can look at the politicians and Wal Street if you would like to place blame. Jealous?? Quit complaining and go apply to a school district.
I don't know about all support staff, but custodians get over time pay, and vacation pay. Custodians get paid when time and a half. Most people in the privat sector get overtime, teachers don't.
Know the Facts

Grove City, OH

#27 Jun 25, 2011
Actually, the custodians, secretaries, and most support staff in my district were just cut 10 days pay. So they got a pay decrease in addition to a new contract where they agreed to no raises for 3 years and an increase in insurance (which is over the mythical # that no school districts pay of 15% by the way). Of course they get vacation pay. MOST JOBS DO. Every job my husband has had in the private sector he has gotten plenty of vacation pay. If you don't, then don't blame those that do. Public employees ARE NOT TO BLAME, they have just become an easy target.
a taxpayer wrote:
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I don't know about all support staff, but custodians get over time pay, and vacation pay. Custodians get paid when time and a half. Most people in the privat sector get overtime, teachers don't.
Know the Facts

Grove City, OH

#28 Jun 25, 2011
@ Jentsa - I would love to know what you do for a living? You seem pretty bitter so I can imagine your lack of a good job is due to your attitude. I have seen public employees that are amazing at their jobs. The so-called "lazy employees" exist in both the public and private sector but are far fewer than republicans and you would lead people to believe. Every employee in the public and private sector can be let go if management wants to actually put in the work to get rid of them including people in the public sector! As for lack of jobs, such as 4 dispatcher positions, Why so bitter towards those that did get the jobs?
Ralph Jeffrey

Fostoria, OH

#29 Jun 25, 2011
the rich are making the poor poorer the rich are at WAR with the working class people we HAVE to retaliate. a good old work stoppage or something would be a good place to start. voting out every politican currently holding an office with an entire new set of politicans. send them the message if you don't help the working class more than the politicans have over the past 11 years have then you will have a one term office. this is bull. every thing is aimed at taking wages from the working class. we have to stand together people. the time is now! call or write your politicans and insist they QUIT looking out for the rich at the expense of the working class. tell them you will not tolerate it any longer. flood their offices with calls. cmon people it's time we quit sitting on our butts a phone call is not going to take up more than a few minutes of your precious time, for once in your life stand up for something for gods sake.

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