March, rally smaller but still spirited

[Bowman]

chanchito wrote:

Our current immigration laws allow for separation of families, the violation of human rights, and unchecked racism, discrimination and xenophobia. Our laws are broken. We're in dire need of comprehensive immigration reform that allows for humane treatment of all people in our country with laws that are just and fair.

When you say "our" you are talking about Mexico, right? Because American immigration laws are not like this, they are the opposite. In fact you want to make American immigration laws racist by letting in Latin Americans at 30 times the rate of non-Latin Americans, you are the racist!!!
http://immigrantrightsfoundation.org/aboutamn...

[Enough already]

Chanchito clearly makes the point about how distorted the term "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" really is.
And it is the same tripe Washington is selling.
Real reform needs to address deterrence strategies to combat the immense pressure from the 3rd World.
Real reform needs to address the diversity we were looking for in 1965. It is WAY OUT OF WHACK with 30% coming from Mexico and a huge imbalance skewed toward Hispanics.
Real reform needs to address citizenship given to anchor babies.
Real reform needs to look at ways to control the freebies of education, welfare, and healthcare.
Real reform needs to look at our REAL need for foreign labor.
Sadly, too many politicians think like chanchito that "reform" is releasing the pressure valve through amnesty.

[Paul Giuntoli]

To illegal immigrants, what do they say about their home country? Do they recognize the middle-class and higher are glad they're gone and do not want them back?

Why haven't Tribune reporters ever covered how one-time home countries have failed these immigrants, and have never tried to stem the flow of people out?

Of course the answer is obvious.

[LETS TRADE]

Latin America can have the US. In return, they must give us one of their countries. So let's pick Mexico. So all Mexicans must leave and come to the United States where they can live with their fellow Hispanics. And all us Anglos will relocate to Mexico.

In no time, the newly minted Americans will be banging at the Anglicized Mexico and begging to immigrate. Why? Culture. Our culture is law and order based. Our culture emphasizes education. Our culture emphasizes discipline, prudence and modesty. That is why we are successful

If we "Latinize" America, no one will want to live here, not even the Latinos and if there is "white flight" and whites leave the country, those same Hispanics who profess hatred of us and call us bigots will be following us to wherever we go.

That is the sad reality. And so we must enforce immigration rules and we must assimilate those who wish to come here. I don't want to live in "latin america" and judging by those who are leaving the place, latin americans don't want to live with each other either.

[jannypan]

chanchito wrote:

Our current immigration laws allow for separation of families, the violation of human rights, and unchecked racism, discrimination and xenophobia. Our laws are broken. We're in dire need of comprehensive immigration reform that allows for humane treatment of all people in our country with laws that are just and fair.

We are talking about illegal aliens. These people are not in this country legally. We are in dire need of finding a way to keep these people out and deporting the ones that are here.

[GQVelasquez]

The following is a segment from an article by Raul Reyes in the USA Today-Opinion. Truth is still stranger than fiction.

To the person who asked if the undocumented will be joining the army:

"In 1982, a Mexican immigrant named Simona carried her baby Jose across the border illegally. She found work as a housekeeper, while her son became a California kid who played high school football and dreamed of a career as a police officer.

In 1997, another Jose entered the country illegally, and alone, at age 22 from Guatemala. He lived with foster families. He liked soccer and chess and hoped to become an architect.

In 2003, the dreams of the two Joses abruptly ended. Corp. Jose Angel Garibay, of Mexico, and Lance Corp. Jose Gutierrez, of Guatemala, were among the first casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom. They were hailed as heroes even though their adopted country did not award them citizenship until after their deaths."

I guess the real question is, "why are we allowing them to fight if you guys don't want them in the US?"

[raygoto]

GQVelasquez wrote:

The following is a segment from an article by Raul Reyes in the USA Today-Opinion. Truth is still stranger than fiction.
To the person who asked if the undocumented will be joining the army:
"In 1982, a Mexican immigrant named Simona carried her baby Jose across the border illegally. She found work as a housekeeper, while her son became a California kid who played high school football and dreamed of a career as a police officer.
In 1997, another Jose entered the country illegally, and alone, at age 22 from Guatemala. He lived with foster families. He liked soccer and chess and hoped to become an architect.
In 2003, the dreams of the two Joses abruptly ended. Corp. Jose Angel Garibay, of Mexico, and Lance Corp. Jose Gutierrez, of Guatemala, were among the first casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom. They were hailed as heroes even though their adopted country did not award them citizenship until after their deaths."
I guess the real question is, "why are we allowing them to fight if you guys don't want them in the US?"

I think it is an outrage that they are in this country and that they are allowed to be in the military, period! I don't want them here, if there here illegally! We don't need them in the military if we got out of Iraq. Sell that sob story to the Mexican Government, who don't know shame of any kind and never will!

[cudzuqueen]

chanchito wrote:

Our current immigration laws allow for separation of families, the violation of human rights, and unchecked racism, discrimination and xenophobia. Our laws are broken. We're in dire need of comprehensive immigration reform that allows for humane treatment of all people in our country with laws that are just and fair.

It's usually the parents who choose to leave their family members behind when a somebody in the family gets deported. They just can't let go of their entitlements...ending birthright citizenship will make them more family conscious, rather than free social service conscious. As a matter of fact, they probably would have fewer children, as they wouldn't serve them any purpose, now would they? Bottom-line, nobody is telling them NOT to take their families...their inappropriate actions are the reason for their broken families, not ICE.

[Cricket 23]

chanchito wrote:

Our current immigration laws allow for separation of families, the violation of human rights, and unchecked racism, discrimination and xenophobia. Our laws are broken. We're in dire need of comprehensive immigration reform that allows for humane treatment of all people in our country with laws that are just and fair.

Right!

In June, an article in the Washington Post concluded that emergency-room
care "is on the verge of collapse." From 1993 to 2003, the newspaper
reported, the American population grew 12 percent, but emergency room visits
grew 27 percent. "In that same period, however, 425 emergency departments
closed, along with about 700 hospitals and nearly 200,000 beds." As well, in
2003, ambulances were diverted from emergency rooms 501,000 times because
the emergency rooms were full.
But the article doesn't mention that much of this care is for routine,
non-emergency illnesses. Nor does it mention a main cause in the crisis:
uninsured illegal immigrants. the Bush administration announced in May that
it would send $1 billion to hospitals to pay for the care of illegal
immigrants. "The largest allocations this fiscal year," the Times reported,
"are going to California, which will receive $70.8 million; Texas,$46
million; Arizona,$45 million; New York,$12.3 million; Illinois,$10.3
million; Florida,$8.7 million; and New Mexico,$5.1 million." And the $70.8
million for California, the newspaper reported, won't come close to covering
the cost of the state's $500 million bill for illegal immigrants.
According to the Washington Times, citing the American Hospital Association
(AHA), "hospitals in 24 Southwest border counties in Arizona, California,
Texas and New Mexico reported uncompensated care totaling nearly $832
million in 2000. A subsequent report prepared for the U.S.-Mexico Border
Counties Coalition determined that about 25 percent of those nonreimbursed
costs resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to undocumented
immigrants." Reported ABC News, "researchers at the RAND Corporation, a
nonpartisan think tank, analyzed data received from about 2,400 people in
Los Angeles County in 2000 and 2001, and applied that information to the
nation's undocumented population at large. The number of uninsured adults in
the United States grew by about 8.7 million between 1980 and 2000. If the
trend for Los Angeles County held true for the rest of the country, about a
third of that growth can be attributable to illegal immigrants."
About 35 percent of immigrants are uninsured, data show, and 65 percent of
illegal immigrants are uninsured. Citing data from Center for Immigration
Studies, immigration writer Ed Rubenstein concluded, "Immigrants accounted
for more than half - 59 percent - of the growth in the uninsured population
during the 1992-2001 period. When you include the 3.5-million immigrants
enrolled in Medicaid, almost half of all immigrants either are uninsured or
have it provided to them at taxpayers' expense."
All these data point to a culprit in the crisis that shut down 700 hospitals
and 425 emergency rooms in 10 years:

[Cricket 23]

chanchito wrote:
Our current immigration laws allow for separation of families, the violation of human rights, and unchecked racism, discrimination and xenophobia. Our laws are broken. We're in dire need of comprehensive immigration reform that allows for humane treatment of all people in our country with laws that are just and fair.

Right!

Source: Inter-American Development Bank, March 2006 report,“Remittance 2005”. Mexico remains the largest recipient of remittances, at over US$20 billion, followed by Brazil and Columbia which for the first time reached over US$6 and US$4 billion respectively. Central America and the Dominican Republic combined to reach over US$11 billion; and the Andean countries totaled almost US$9 billion.

http://www.iadb.org/mif/v2/files/guemez_remit...

As much as 50% of remittances are unreported. As published in the Development Prospect Group Briefing #3, "This amount only reflects transfers through official channels. Econometric analysis suggests that unrecorded flows through informal channels may add 50 percent or more to recorded flows. Including these unrecorded flows, the true size of remittances, is larger than foreign direct investment flows and more than twice as large as official aid received by developing countries."

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTPROSPEC...

[Cricket 23]

chanchito wrote:
Our current immigration laws allow for separation of families, the violation of human rights, and unchecked racism, discrimination and xenophobia. Our laws are broken. We're in dire need of comprehensive immigration reform that allows for humane treatment of all people in our country with laws that are just and fair.

Right!

[edit] Present-day countries of origin
In March of 2006 the Pew Hispanic Center (PHC) estimated the undocumented
population ranged from 11.5 to 12 million individuals[46], a number
supported by the US Government Accountability Office (GAO)[47]. Using data
from March of 2004, PHC estimated[48]

Country of Origin Percent of all illegal immigrants
Mexico 57%
Central America (and to a lesser extent, South America) 24%
Asia 9%
Europe and Canada 6%
Other 4%

According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security[49], the countries of
origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows:

Country of Origin Raw Number
Mexico 5,970,000
El Salvador 470,000
Guatamala 370,000
India 280,000
China 230,000

The Urban Institute, a research group in Washington, D.C., estimates
"between 65,000 and 75,000 undocumented Canadians currently live in the
United States." [50]

[edit] Modes of entry
Modes of Entry for the Unauthorized Migrant Population[51]

Category
Entered Legally with Inspection
a.. Non-Immigrant Visa Overstayers 4 to 5.5 Million
b.. Border Crossing Card Violators 250,000 to 500,000

Entered Illegally without Inspection
a.. Evaded the Immigration Inspectors and Border Patrol 6 to 7
Million

A border crossing card is a card that allows non-immigrants "to commute back
and forth each week from Canada and Mexico".[52]

[edit] Visa overstay
A traveler is considered a "visa overstay" once he or she remains in the
United States after the time of admission has expired. The time of admission
varies greatly from traveler to traveler depending on what visa class into
which they were admitted. Visa overstays tend to be somewhat more educated
and better off financially than those who crossed the border illegally.[53]

To help track visa overstayer the US-VISIT (United States Visitor and
Immigrant Status Indicator Technology) program collects and retains
biographic, travel, and biometric information, such as photographs and
fingerprints, of foreign nationals seeking entry into the United States. It
also requires electronic readable passports containing this information.

Visa overstays mostly enter with tourist or business visas[54]

Percent of Illegal Immigrants who are Visa Overstayers

Year Percent
1994 More than half[55]
2006 45%[56]

[edit] Fraudulent marriage
People have long used sham marriages as a way to enter the United
States.[57] One of the most prominent cases was that of Nada Nadim Prouty, a
Lebanese immigrant who gained entry into the US as a student, but then
married fraudulently to stay in the country, and even became a US citizen
and went on to become an employee of the FBI and the CIA, before pleading
guilty to conspiracy.[58][59] Engaging in a bogus marriage went hi-tech
with the case of a Russian woman and an American man arranging a marriage
over the Internet.[60]

[edit] Border crossing
Each year, an estimated 200,000 to 400,000 illegal immigrants try to make
the 15 to 30-mile (48 km) hike through the wilderness to reach cities in the
United States. "That works out to a city the size of Baton Rouge, La.,
living in the park without a sewage system, without garbage collection,
without a grid of dedicated roads or sidewalks. They move where they want in
four-wheel-drive cars, ATVs, motorcycles, bicycles and their own feet."[61]

[Cricket 23]

GQVelasquez wrote:

The following is a segment from an article by Raul Reyes in the USA Today-Opinion. Truth is still stranger than fiction.
To the person who asked if the undocumented will be joining the army:
"In 1982, a Mexican immigrant named Simona carried her baby Jose across the border illegally. She found work as a housekeeper, while her son became a California kid who played high school football and dreamed of a career as a police officer.
In 1997, another Jose entered the country illegally, and alone, at age 22 from Guatemala. He lived with foster families. He liked soccer and chess and hoped to become an architect.
In 2003, the dreams of the two Joses abruptly ended. Corp. Jose Angel Garibay, of Mexico, and Lance Corp. Jose Gutierrez, of Guatemala, were among the first casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom. They were hailed as heroes even though their adopted country did not award them citizenship until after their deaths."
I guess the real question is, "why are we allowing them to fight if you guys don't want them in the US?"

Comment:
He had a Green card!

In 1995, Jose Gutierrez was a 14-year-old orphan in Guatemala when he decided to do what 700,000 other Guatemalans had done -- enter the United States illegally. Two thousand miles and 14 freight trains later, Gutierrez crossed the border. He was promptly arrested by the Border Patrol. Being a minor and without a family, he was spared deportation and turned over to California's welfare system. He spent the next four years in foster homes, learning English, attending and graduating high school, getting his medical needs taken care of by the public-health system. As the lexicon of neo-flag-wavers would put it, Gutierrez was freeloading on the American taxpayer.

When he turned 18, Gutierrez got himself a green card. He planned to be an architect. Not quite having the means yet, in 2002 he joined the Marines. A year later he found himself shipping off to Kuwait. And in the first hours on the first day of the Iraq invasion, he was killed on the outskirts of Umm Qasr, just inside the Iraqi border. He was the first of 2,322 Americans (so far) to be killed in the war. He is, as the lexicon of neo-flag-wavers likes to say, a hero, a patriot, among America's finest.

[Cricket 23]

GQVelasquez

wrote:

"I guess the real question is, "why are we allowing them to fight if you guys don't want them in the US?"

Comment:

Because we are a nation of laws or did you forget that! Do you wonder why other Americans get upset with Hispanic Americans when they make comments like yours? Its because you always take sides with the illegal aliens which is a racist position because if the illegal aliens were a different race,you people wouldn't ever post anything!

[s of chicago]

Cricket 23 wrote:

GQVelasquez
wrote:
"I guess the real question is, "why are we allowing them to fight if you guys don't want them in the US?"
Comment:
Because we are a nation of laws or did you forget that! Do you wonder why other Americans get upset with Hispanic Americans when they make comments like yours? Its because you always take sides with the illegal aliens which is a racist position because if the illegal aliens were a different race,you people wouldn't ever post anything!

Where do you get off calling anybody "you people"; the fact is, it would not matter if a story is about murder, abduction, baking bread, etc. I have seen seemingly benign stories in the Chicago Tribune turned into "lets bash Mexicans", what a commie rag.

[s of chicago]

see what I mean? Maybe I should have typed c o m m u n i s t

[Cricket 23]

s of chicago wrote:

see what I mean? Maybe I should have typed c o m m u n i s t

Right!

Quote: 3/28/08

"But Huerta's strongest words were directed toward the issue of immigration.

She said illegal workers were a critical bulwark of the national economy,
yet were faced with virulent anti-illegal-immigrant groups such as the
Minuteman Project that she said were "linked" to the United States
government.

She said Immigration and Customs Enforcement crackdowns had deported 290,000
people to Latin American countries in what she characterized as an "ethnic
cleansing."

But anti-illegal-immigration efforts were doomed to failure, Huerta said, as
illegal immigrants and naturalized Latinos had gained a foothold in the
country.

"It's really too late," Huerta said of anti-illegal-immigration movements.
"If 47 million (Latinos) have one baby each ... it's already won."

A Mexican-American labor organizer who bore 11 children, Huerta gained fame
in the 1960s with her work to secure better working conditions for
agricultural laborers.

In her negotiations, Huerta's reputation was a blend of fiery advocacy for
Latinos and an emphasis grooming young girls and women for lives of
independence and action.

Huerta's reception at the community college was overwhelmingly positive.

Many in the audience rejoiced in the theme of empowerment that drove
Huerta's speech, which ended with a chant of "Si se puede," which is Spanish
for "Yes we can."

"I liked how she said 75 percent of the world was people of color," said
SBVC student Randy Dale, 23. "We are the majority, and we should be in
charge more, especially in the U.S."

[Cricket 23]

s of chicago wrote:

see what I mean? Maybe I should have typed c o m m u n i s t

Right!

Quote:
Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the
real agenda of the La Raza movement, the agenda that led to those thousands
of illegal immigrants in the streets of American cities, waving Mexican
flags, brazenly defying our laws, and demanding concessions.

Key among the secondary organizations is the radical racist group Movimiento
Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan
(MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has
permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a
racist nation out of the American West.

One of America's greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants
from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as
Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only,
in our national loyalties.

This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants
pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

"Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the
notion that we...should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting
pot...Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas ... It became
synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from
a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the
Manifest Destiny." (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3,
2006)

MEChA isn't at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races.
Their founding principles are contained in these words in "El Plan
Espiritual de Aztlan" (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud
historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our
territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land
of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their
birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare
that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our
inevitable destiny.... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water
the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans.... We
are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of
North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a
nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo.
Fuera de La Raza nada."

That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal
rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race,
nothing."

[GQVelasquez]

s of chicago wrote:

see what I mean? Maybe I should have typed c o m m u n i s t

Point of Clarification:

"You guys", refers only to those wanting deportation and not race, ethnicity, color or political orientation.

[Cricket 23]

GQVelasquez wrote:

<quoted text>
Point of Clarification:
"You guys", refers only to those wanting deportation and not race, ethnicity, color or political orientation.

Comment:

NO!

"You Guys" meant the other races that are not Hispanic. Nice try.