Redlands Mall future remains uncertain

The City Council pondered the future of the Redlands Mall and its potential impact to the city in general at the June 23 meeting.

[Bart]

I still can't believe they think people would WANT to live downtown at the mall or elsewhere. What are they smoking at city hall???

[lol]

Crack

[BadDiver]

I'm thinking we should give the city manager another raise ... that'll get his creative juices flowing!

[Captain Justice]

Why doesn't Enrique just declare the mall a JPA, that should solve the problem. Hell, make the whole city a JPA!

[I am DN I am]

Hahaha! You guys are so funny!

[Jesse The Body Ventura]

I am glad Mr. Martinez can participate while Mr. Bean sits on his hands yet again. Thank God we have Mr. Martinez! WOW!

[I am DN I am]

Jesse-all you are is a kiss a s s Martinez plant. We all already know that about you.

Jesse The Body Ventura wrote:

I am glad Mr. Martinez can participate while Mr. Bean sits on his hands yet again. Thank God we have Mr. Martinez! WOW!

[Little Stevie Wonder]

Participate in what "Jesse', civic/ fiscal masturbation?

[Im hiding]

Can you find Oscar Orsci in this picture? Where do you think he's hiding?

Why won't Nabar talk about him?

Why?

[Little Stevie Wonder]

Because he's the man.

[SoCal-planner]

Bart,

Of course people want to live in the urban core of Redlands, it’s the most historic walkable place in Inland Southern California. Do you not read the trends, or see the condos popping up in downtowns world wide. In addition the Redlands Mall was built on top of an old extension of State Street that grew organically in the past and should be replaced. Get out of your bubble man, it really is nonsense.

I thank you.

[MTZ]

Your New Urbanism is not for most of Southern California. First, it is not what people want to buy or where they want to live. Second, developers only offer it when cities get involved and offer density "incentives" and good old cash to build something new where something old once stood (developers would do it on their own if the market demanded it). After development, these New Urban communities become Rent Land, with absentee owners and itinerant tenants, which lead to urban blight, pollution, and overloading of schools and infrastructure.

Redlands Mall was never a viable shopping venue. The Redlands Downtown is dead and few businesses have survived there, and those that have survived have not prospered. What do the Mall and Downtown have in common? All came forth with the City of Redlands interfering in the free market. If the City of Redlands attempts to direct a New Urbanism core at the Mall site, it too will fail because there is no viable mass transit in downtown (don’t even kid me with the bus system there), no decent shopping, few jobs nearby, and crummy parking. The list goes on, and on, and on.

SoCal-planner wrote:

Bart,
Of course people want to live in the urban core of Redlands, it’s the most historic walkable place in Inland Southern California. Do you not read the trends, or see the condos popping up in downtowns world wide. In addition the Redlands Mall was built on top of an old extension of State Street that grew organically in the past and should be replaced. Get out of your bubble man, it really is nonsense.
I thank you.

[Little Stevie Wonder]

But wait, they haven't even approved a downtown Specific Plan to the Redlands General Plan that includes this type of multi-use land use designation. Isn't that putting the cart before the horse again City officials, especially when you have a 15-year old vision as your baseline and traffic information that is two decades old?

[Bart]

Tell you what... go build some condos over the top of Carousel Mall and let us know how that goes....

SoCal-planner wrote:

Bart,
Of course people want to live in the urban core of Redlands, it’s the most historic walkable place in Inland Southern California. Do you not read the trends, or see the condos popping up in downtowns world wide. In addition the Redlands Mall was built on top of an old extension of State Street that grew organically in the past and should be replaced. Get out of your bubble man, it really is nonsense.
I thank you.

[Little Stevie Wonder]

I think SoCal-planner grows his own, organically. One missing part of the dream, money doesn't grow on trees so no one can afford to do anything other than reuse the mall at this point in time. A mixed-use, transit-oriented development on the mall property is a pipe-dream that is at least fifteen years away, but that should give Redlands officials enough time to update their General Plan and Downtown Specific Plan. Or then again, based on how the City has been planning its "vision" over the last fifteen, maybe a thirty year old plan will still work- NOT!

[I am DN]

You have got to be kidding! Or are you really that out of touch with reality in Redlands? OMG! Get your head out of your arse! hahahaha! I bet this is that guy in the channel 3 tape about downtown Redlands! Hahahaha1 You made yourself look like such a fool!!! Wow! What a BSer! hey, go check it out between 9 and 11 pm! LOSERLAND BABY!!!

SoCal-planner wrote:

Bart,
Of course people want to live in the urban core of Redlands, it’s the most historic walkable place in Inland Southern California. Do you not read the trends, or see the condos popping up in downtowns world wide. In addition the Redlands Mall was built on top of an old extension of State Street that grew organically in the past and should be replaced. Get out of your bubble man, it really is nonsense.
I thank you.

[Ummmm NO]

I am DN wrote:

You have got to be kidding! Or are you really that out of touch with reality in Redlands? OMG! Get your head out of your arse! hahahaha! I bet this is that guy in the channel 3 tape about downtown Redlands! Hahahaha1 You made yourself look like such a fool!!! Wow! What a BSer! hey, go check it out between 9 and 11 pm! LOSERLAND BABY!!! <quoted text>

There is that DN ARROGANCE once again. Someone didn't agree with your stand on the mall and and the name calling starts!

What a small little woman you are.

[I am DN]

hahaha! look who'se talking! Hahaha! You go around slandering and bashing everyone! you get realy nasty. You give up poeople's name and prove you are a piece of shiite. You just can't handle the truth. You just like to project your own arrogance and accuse others of it while failung to contibute any intelligent dialogue. You post name says it all baby!

Ummmm NO wrote:

<quoted text>
There is that DN ARROGANCE once again. Someone didn't agree with your stand on the mall and and the name calling starts!
What a small little woman you are.

[Ummmm NO]

I am DN wrote:

hahaha! look who'se talking! Hahaha! You go around slandering and bashing everyone! you get realy nasty. You give up poeople's name and prove you are a piece of shiite. You just can't handle the truth. You just like to project your own arrogance and accuse others of it while failung to contibute any intelligent dialogue. You post name says it all baby! <quoted text>

You really do believe your own hype.

[juliart]

PLEASE move the few remaining businesses that are in the Mall to the empty stores on State street, raze the entire mall, continue State Street all the way to ESRI (Redlands largest employer). Get a clever architect to keep the underground parking (under Gottchalks) and build shops to compliment the old State Street. Ask Jack Dangermond to help! He is refitting a building on the East side of State Street right now.