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First gay marriage license issued in Arkansas

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John

Austin, TX

#1 May 11, 2014
I am amazed by the number of liberals who understand how the natural environment is interconnected and that all events have innumerable repercussions, most of them impossible to predict, and who appear completely unable to understand that the same principles apply to the social environment. If the social environment is radically altered, as it will be with the acceptance of same-sex marriage, widespread and fundamental changes with unpredictable repercussions will follow, yet so many rush heedlessly ahead. As with emitting CO2 in the natural environment, often the act that will radically alter the environment appears harmless at first glance.

Since humans evolved in small groups, the construction of large, self-sustaining societies that provided well for the welfare of the members has been difficult and has quite often led to failure. Any large society we construct will likely be quite fragile, like a house of cards. The adoption of same-sex marriage throughout a society would be akin to simultaneously pulling out a great many cards in this fragile structure.

One of the key elements in this fragile structure is the duty to protect or care for other members of the society. This obligation originates with the duty that all men have had historically to protect all women in the society and the corresponding duty of women to nurture all men. This has always made men feel obligated to and connected to all the women in the society and the women to the men. Reducing traditional gender roles has eroded the strength of this feeling of duty, but it can still persist as long as men feel an attraction to women and women to men. However, with same-sex marriage, the universality of opposite sex attraction is eliminated, this duty vanishes, and the society is atomized.

Liberals often claim that preferences for gender roles and heterosexuality are socially constructed, when it appears clear that biological differences developed from millions of years of evolution across the great majority of species explain the gender roles and the predominance of heterosexuality, while the beliefs that the genders are the same and that homosexuality is the equal of heterosexuality are completely socially constructed, in a somewhat Orwellian fashion. This Orwellian same-sex marriage crusade resembles the efforts of alchemists of a bygone era who tried to alter what they did not understand. These modern crusaders will likely be about as successful as alchemists, but with far more tragic consequences.

Given that lesbianism is rising rapidly among the lower socioeconomic classes, it’s probable that life will soon become hellish for most non-elite men, who will be lonely and lost, and that the middle class will disappear among a rising tide of violence, crime, poverty, and homelessness. This will terminate the social contract for young men, as they will no longer be assured of love, marriage, and children even if they work hard and follow all the rules, and many of them are likely to feel isolated and become alienated. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more than a million like Adam Lanza or James Holmes in the next generation, though maybe fewer than 10 percent of them will go on shooting sprees.

Political/legal systems are mostly arbitrary, while the laws of nature are not, implying that a political system delegitimizes itself, not nature, when it arbitrarily imposes an unhealthy and unnatural form of equality.

Since: Jan 11

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#2 May 11, 2014
Well Darlin', whose to say that what you are looking at now is the outer social reflection of our own inner evolution, that the order that you seek to preserve is simply a vestigial attitude that no longer has any relevance as to who and what we have become, and the refusal to accept this is why we're at the crossroads of either adapt or die?
milan

United States

#3 May 11, 2014
FACT: Homosexuality is a sick perversion.
And those who practice it are sickos and perverts and pigs.

Since: Mar 07

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#4 May 11, 2014
John wrote:
I am amazed by the number of liberals who understand how the natural environment is interconnected and that all events have innumerable repercussions, most of them impossible to predict, and who appear completely unable to understand that the same principles apply to the social environment. If the social environment is radically altered, as it will be with the acceptance of same-sex marriage, widespread and fundamental changes with unpredictable repercussions will follow, yet so many rush heedlessly ahead.....
Actually, the repercussions are already known, as marriage and it's benefits have been long studied.

We know that marriage creates and environment of support, and that married couples do better emotionally and financially ion the long run.

We know that married couples are more secure, and that their children are more secure because of it.

We know that straight people are not so weak willed and simple minded as to decide that marriage (or procreation) is not for them, because gay folks they don't know are marrying somewhere in the country.

So, just how does allowing a tiny percentage of the total population the SAME ability to marry for love, and have their family legally recognized, change ANYTHING for the worse?

Tell us the downside to stronger families and more secure kids.

Since: Mar 07

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#5 May 11, 2014
milan wrote:
FACT: Homosexuality is a sick perversion.
..
And here you are, you silly thing, haunting gay forums and demanding constant attention from gay people you pretend to hate. Nothing logical or reasonable to contribute, just ridiculous insults.

Sick stuff, and quite sad.

Have you sought help?

Since: Mar 07

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#6 May 11, 2014
John wrote:
.......... Reducing traditional gender roles has eroded the strength of this feeling of duty, but it can still persist as long as men feel an attraction to women and women to men. However, with same-sex marriage, the universality of opposite sex attraction is eliminated, this duty vanishes, and the society is atomized.
......
You are making some odd assumptions, since attraction to the opposite sex is NOT universal in nature, and never has been - proved the fact that gay folks cannot be attracted to the opposite gender, and that many other creatures in nature are also naturally sexuallyattracted to the same gender.

And how will society be destroyed because a small percentage of the human population can only be attracted to the same gender??

Are you arguing that being attracted to the same gender is catching, and is the MUCH more appealing option? That straight people will start turning away form other straight folks and seeking out only the same gender?

That's not going to happen - it can't. Sexual orientation is not that fluid for most humans.

So your worries are unfounded.
Dorn

New York, NY

#7 May 11, 2014
Keep queers AWAY from kids!!!
Nancylee

Salt Lake City, UT

#9 May 12, 2014
there are more STRAIGHT Father walking out on there wife and kids killing them so they don't want to step up...Its ok that 60% of Marry Man love to do GAY SEX on they wife or go out and get a GAY Man.

USA need to get over the GAY thing

Since: Dec 11

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#10 May 12, 2014
John wrote:
One of the key elements in this fragile structure is the duty to protect or care for other members of the society. This obligation originates with the duty that all men have had historically to protect all women in the society and the corresponding duty of women to nurture all men. This has always made men feel obligated to and connected to all the women in the society and the women to the men. Reducing traditional gender roles has eroded the strength of this feeling of duty, but it can still persist as long as men feel an attraction to women and women to men. However, with same-sex marriage, the universality of opposite sex attraction is eliminated, this duty vanishes, and the society is atomized.
There is no universality of opposite sex attraction. Legalizing same-sex marriage has no effect on people's sexual orientations. Gay people will be gay regardless of their ability to marry. Straight people will be straight regardless of gay people's ability to marry.
John wrote:
Given that lesbianism is rising rapidly among the lower socioeconomic classes, it’s probable that life will soon become hellish for most non-elite men, who will be lonely and lost, and that the middle class will disappear among a rising tide of violence, crime, poverty, and homelessness. This will terminate the social contract for young men, as they will no longer be assured of love, marriage, and children even if they work hard and follow all the rules, and many of them are likely to feel isolated and become alienated.
Absurd. The number of self-identified lesbians and self-identified gay men are typically very similar in polls. The existence of lesbians does not doom men to being lone wolves because there are corresponding gay men who don't have any interest in those lesbian women to begin with.
SexySiren

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#11 May 12, 2014
Get over it! Ever wonder why elite men do better? Because they are a little less removed from the barbaric cavemen mentality that women are realizing they no longer have to be held by! Yep, you just can't beat women and mistreat them anymore. Grow up and you will get a nice woman, otherwise you will learn to constantly watch porno's like most barbaric men.

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