Did new Michael Jackson anthologies e...

Did new Michael Jackson anthologies empty the vault?

There are 24 comments on the USA Today story from Jul 17, 2013, titled Did new Michael Jackson anthologies empty the vault?. In it, USA Today reports that:

The release of two huge Michael Jackson anthologies raises a question about an artist never known for stockpiling songs: Is this it? The 270 tracks released to iTunes may have cleaned out the pop icon's vault.

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Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#1 Jul 17, 2013
That's all she wrote, captain...

They only have a few songs left in the catalog and they're struggling with how to put it out considering the failure of the "Michael 2010" project.

All that money and only one studio compilation and a re-issue to show for it. I don't even count the Immortal/ONE Las Vegas shows, I would think those were separate ventures.

Anyway, that does not look good for Jacko.

Since: Feb 11

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#2 Jul 17, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
That's all she wrote, captain...
They only have a few songs left in the catalog and they're struggling with how to put it out considering the failure of the "Michael 2010" project.
All that money and only one studio compilation and a re-issue to show for it. I don't even count the Immortal/ONE Las Vegas shows, I would think those were separate ventures.
Anyway, that does not look good for Jacko.
It has never stopped Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, Jim Morrison and the many others from having their music constantly regurgitated.

That's because great artists turn into legends like Michael Jackson has.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#3 Jul 17, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
That's all she wrote, captain...
They only have a few songs left in the catalog and they're struggling with how to put it out considering the failure of the "Michael 2010" project.
All that money and only one studio compilation and a re-issue to show for it. I don't even count the Immortal/ONE Las Vegas shows, I would think those were separate ventures.
Anyway, that does not look good for Jacko.
I like this statement.

"Billboard editor Joe Levy takes a rosier view, dubbing the 162-track Ultimate's $82 price tag 'a bit of a bargain,' presuming fans desire five versions each of Remember the Time, Black or White and One More Chance."

It makes me think of Octo posting he's seen Michael's recordings in the bargain bin, at WalMart.

Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#4 Jul 17, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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I like this statement.
"Billboard editor Joe Levy takes a rosier view, dubbing the 162-track Ultimate's $82 price tag 'a bit of a bargain,' presuming fans desire five versions each of Remember the Time, Black or White and One More Chance."
It makes me think of Octo posting he's seen Michael's recordings in the bargain bin, at WalMart.
I saw them at the bargain bin too so Octo's right lol

There is some unreleased MJ material I did hear but apparently there's not enough to put as its own standalone album. I hear it's a difficult process right now for the estate.

MJ did plan a lot of songs and he probably recorded portions but he never finished them and kept them hanging for years and years. Who even knows if the "final" recording he gave ("Best of Joy") was even recorded in 2009, it might've been an Invincible leftover for all we know.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#5 Jul 18, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
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I saw them at the bargain bin too so Octo's right lol
There is some unreleased MJ material I did hear but apparently there's not enough to put as its own standalone album. I hear it's a difficult process right now for the estate.
MJ did plan a lot of songs and he probably recorded portions but he never finished them and kept them hanging for years and years. Who even knows if the "final" recording he gave ("Best of Joy") was even recorded in 2009, it might've been an Invincible leftover for all we know.
Just think. If Michael had spent less time with little boys and drugs, his creative output would have been greater.

Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#6 Jul 18, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Just think. If Michael had spent less time with little boys and drugs, his creative output would have been greater.
Or also if his parents hadn't instilled that "greed is good" crap into his ear at age nine when the Jackson 5 turned professional... maybe he could've used the money to slowly build an empire than quickly gain money from commercial sales and purchasing a catalog and then spending it all on, as you said, kids and drugs.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#14 Jul 21, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
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I saw them at the bargain bin too so Octo's right lol
There is some unreleased MJ material I did hear but apparently there's not enough to put as its own standalone album. I hear it's a difficult process right now for the estate.
MJ did plan a lot of songs and he probably recorded portions but he never finished them and kept them hanging for years and years. Who even knows if the "final" recording he gave ("Best of Joy") was even recorded in 2009, it might've been an Invincible leftover for all we know.
Obviously, the estate and Sony are milking as much as they can by trying to resell standard material once again in another package. "Bad 25" was just put out not too long ago. I think The Jacksons probably do not understand that this stuff is already available at Walmart and bargain bin outlets. What I see is maybe a few remixes and different demos here and there. Not enough solid material to justify the 90 dollar price tag. It is basically for floons who believe that they are too good to go inside of a Walmart store.

Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#15 Jul 21, 2013
Octopus wrote:
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Obviously, the estate and Sony are milking as much as they can by trying to resell standard material once again in another package. "Bad 25" was just put out not too long ago. I think The Jacksons probably do not understand that this stuff is already available at Walmart and bargain bin outlets. What I see is maybe a few remixes and different demos here and there. Not enough solid material to justify the 90 dollar price tag. It is basically for floons who believe that they are too good to go inside of a Walmart store.
Haha the Jacksons don't even own the estate. I think it's just the two Johns - Branca and McClain. Ain't like the Jacksons were planning to release "unheard music" because they weren't doing music that music either after the 1980s ended. I think the estate did the Cirque du Soleil shows and the video game and all of that because there was not a lot of unreleased music to go around. MJ didn't even complete an album he was working on after "Invincible" because there was not enough music to go around for release. The "new" song on "Number Ones" with R. Peddy, er, Kelly, was an Invincible leftover ("One More Chance"), so was "We've Had Enough" from the Ultimate Collection, it was recorded in 2000, not 2004. MJ only worked with Rodney Jerkins between 1999 and 2001. "Best of Joy" was possibly recorded but no one can give out a date, just assume it was recorded right before his death. MJ lost his voice before his death, that's why he was gonna lip the entire concert.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#16 Jul 21, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
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Haha the Jacksons don't even own the estate. I think it's just the two Johns - Branca and McClain. Ain't like the Jacksons were planning to release "unheard music" because they weren't doing music that music either after the 1980s ended. I think the estate did the Cirque du Soleil shows and the video game and all of that because there was not a lot of unreleased music to go around. MJ didn't even complete an album he was working on after "Invincible" because there was not enough music to go around for release. The "new" song on "Number Ones" with R. Peddy, er, Kelly, was an Invincible leftover ("One More Chance"), so was "We've Had Enough" from the Ultimate Collection, it was recorded in 2000, not 2004. MJ only worked with Rodney Jerkins between 1999 and 2001. "Best of Joy" was possibly recorded but no one can give out a date, just assume it was recorded right before his death. MJ lost his voice before his death, that's why he was gonna lip the entire concert.
Jacko was too messed up to sing anything after "Invincible" That was why his voice was buried in the mix on that crap album. Basically, his best work was "Off The Wall" and "Thriller" His other albums were just repeated the same tired formula with mixed results. "One More Chance" was a filler track off of an old J5 album, which was totally dated. "You Rock My World" was Disco in 2001, the wrong choice for the single. Jacko had simply lost the magic because he was guilty and nothing seemed to work for him as time passed him by. Jacko knew his voice was shot. That is why he was afraid to record another album. Way too many greatest hits packages were released, which took sales away from the original albums that had all the hits on them anyway. If MJ were truly a musician like Prince, he would have had played instruments in the studio and the material would be there. But the clown was only interested in sleeping with boys. He hardly worked. He will never be another Jimi Hendrix who is still being released 43 years after his demise.

Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#17 Jul 21, 2013
Octopus wrote:
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Jacko was too messed up to sing anything after "Invincible" That was why his voice was buried in the mix on that crap album. Basically, his best work was "Off The Wall" and "Thriller" His other albums were just repeated the same tired formula with mixed results. "One More Chance" was a filler track off of an old J5 album, which was totally dated. "You Rock My World" was Disco in 2001, the wrong choice for the single. Jacko had simply lost the magic because he was guilty and nothing seemed to work for him as time passed him by. Jacko knew his voice was shot. That is why he was afraid to record another album. Way too many greatest hits packages were released, which took sales away from the original albums that had all the hits on them anyway. If MJ were truly a musician like Prince, he would have had played instruments in the studio and the material would be there. But the clown was only interested in sleeping with boys. He hardly worked. He will never be another Jimi Hendrix who is still being released 43 years after his demise.
There were three songs recorded by Jacko family members. The first version was in 1970 by the J5 (which sucked), the second version was in 1984 and was written and sung by Randy (which also sucked; Janet Jackson herself covered Randy's song years later around the "janet." era). The 2001 version MJ recorded was left off "Invincible" and was written for MJ by R. Kelly.

Telling Michael couldn't write romantic lyrics so he hired other writers to do the love songs. Sony placed the "Invincible" leftover version on "Number Ones". "You Rock My World" was recorded in 1999 and "Invincible" had been set for release in 1999 but MJ delayed its release which cost Sony money. In fact, the majority of "Invincible" was done in 1999 but MJ kept on working on demos that he didn't finish and October 2001 was the final due date and Michael still wasn't ready but Tommy Motolla threatened to drop him from the label if he didn't release the album.

Allegedly when it came time to release the first single, Motolla and company pleaded for "You Rock My World", MJ pleaded for "Unbreakable". Before, MJ usually got what he wanted because he was still a huge seller when it came to decision making. But this time around, MJ wasn't in charge and Tommy figured the song would bring old Jacko fans back who were around during Off the Wall and who gradually left him between Thriller and Bad eras. Anyway, YRMW was picked much to MJ's chagrin and a video (based off Smooth Criminal obviously) was produced. Frank Cascio had an interesting account on this that when the director wanted to shield MJ's face due to MJ's obvious plastic surgery, MJ went into a temper tantrum over it. Eventually they went along with it, they covered MJ with some kind of shade around him and had him wear a du-rag over his head covered by his fedora. And most of the video he was in silhouette.

MJ claimed the reason he decided to leave Sony was due to Sony not promoting Invincible but the label pushed $25 million to promote it and wanted MJ to tour. MJ refused to tour or to promote the album so Sony stopped promotion in early 2002. Then MJ went on that sad protest rally that went nowhere. George Michael and Prince were more believable in their fights against their labels (ironically George was fighting with Sony a decade before MJ). Ironic when things didn't go his way musically, he claimed a lot of b.s. No one bought it. Prince's stance wasn't understood until years ago but MJ's was always never understood.

They just don't have enough material to release an album. I'll be surprised if there were now. It's about to be 2014 in six months and the contract Sony has with the estate is set to last in 2017. And no other new posthumous album since "Michael 2010". Very telling to me.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#18 Jul 21, 2013
Prince wanted the freedom to release multiple sets and not just one CD per year as Warner Brothers policy demanded. That is why Prince changed his name to a symbol and claimed he was a slave to the label. I think Jacko latched onto Prince's fight by his ridiculous claim that Sony was racist and against black artists. Jacko did not want to tour to promote "Invincible" which is why the CD achieved disappointing sales. It didn't help that Jacko went into a racist rant in NY City over something that Sony could not help. Jacko refused to put the blame for the album's failure on himself. "Blood On The Dance Floor" went no higher than #24 on billboard album charts. It was because Jacko was a has been by the late 90's.

I seem to remember Tom Petty's fight in the early eighties when he protested the $8.95 price on new vinyl LP of his "Hard Promises" release.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#19 Jul 21, 2013
*on his new vinyl LP...

Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#20 Jul 21, 2013
I do remember Prince being advised to not sign WB's $100 million contract in 1992 and he went with it anyways. Within a year after signing it, Prince felt duped. So I can see how it looks. With MJ, it was obvious he wasn't selling like he thought he should. MJ's backfired tremendously.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#21 Jul 21, 2013
I'm really not sure what Sony actually has in the vault but they paid $250 million for them. I still don't know if the number was inflated by the estate or if Sony got ripped off. But I would think Sony would know what is there. So far, no unheard masterpiece has been discovered. After all, it is basically unfinished tracks or remixes. I keep hearing different numbers on Jacko's sales since his death in 2009. 8 million, 50 million and 1 billion. It certainly is not the later, because the industry would be booming. It is not.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#22 Jul 21, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
I do remember Prince being advised to not sign WB's $100 million contract in 1992 and he went with it anyways. Within a year after signing it, Prince felt duped. So I can see how it looks. With MJ, it was obvious he wasn't selling like he thought he should. MJ's backfired tremendously.
Prince has the freedom to release what he desires plus has a great deal in getting the most of the profit in his pocket. But where Prince is going wrong is not allowing people to hear the music. Prince is only hurting himself. He was better off on a major label and working to get his music heard. Prince is stubborn and it hasn't helped his career in recent years. His hits have dried up.

Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#23 Jul 21, 2013
Octopus wrote:
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Prince has the freedom to release what he desires plus has a great deal in getting the most of the profit in his pocket. But where Prince is going wrong is not allowing people to hear the music. Prince is only hurting himself. He was better off on a major label and working to get his music heard. Prince is stubborn and it hasn't helped his career in recent years. His hits have dried up.
Now that's true.

Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#24 Jul 21, 2013
Octopus wrote:
I'm really not sure what Sony actually has in the vault but they paid $250 million for them. I still don't know if the number was inflated by the estate or if Sony got ripped off. But I would think Sony would know what is there. So far, no unheard masterpiece has been discovered. After all, it is basically unfinished tracks or remixes. I keep hearing different numbers on Jacko's sales since his death in 2009. 8 million, 50 million and 1 billion. It certainly is not the later, because the industry would be booming. It is not.
I believe the 8 million number. MJ sales haven't exactly been booming and if so it was only compilations. True "Thriller" returned to the charts but it's not like it's selling big numbers to change the number of copies from a to b. Also Guinness World Records still conclude MJ only sold 55 million albums of Thriller since '09.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#25 Jul 21, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
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Now that's true.
Prince must be mega wealthy.

But people are not going to buy without listening to it first.

Prince is concerned about piracy.

However, as an artist, it is important to let people hear the music. Otherwise, they forget you.

I like Prince but without means of checking out his stuff, I'll never buy the CD.

I wanted to check out Prince's Hendrix tribute called, "Purple House" but it wasn't on You Tube.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#26 Jul 21, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
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I believe the 8 million number. MJ sales haven't exactly been booming and if so it was only compilations. True "Thriller" returned to the charts but it's not like it's selling big numbers to change the number of copies from a to b. Also Guinness World Records still conclude MJ only sold 55 million albums of Thriller since '09.
It is 8 million.

But floons like to claim 1 billion.

Of course, that is impossible.

The entire music industry is doing very badly.

It is not the seventies or the eighties where people where buying millions of releases every week. Wacko can barely crack the top 10 with any of his death discs.

The last one was the crappy "Michael" CD in 2010.

No hits whatsoever.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#27 Jul 22, 2013
Octopus wrote:
Prince wanted the freedom to release multiple sets and not just one CD per year as Warner Brothers policy demanded. That is why Prince changed his name to a symbol and claimed he was a slave to the label. I think Jacko latched onto Prince's fight by his ridiculous claim that Sony was racist and against black artists. Jacko did not want to tour to promote "Invincible" which is why the CD achieved disappointing sales. It didn't help that Jacko went into a racist rant in NY City over something that Sony could not help. Jacko refused to put the blame for the album's failure on himself. "Blood On The Dance Floor" went no higher than #24 on billboard album charts. It was because Jacko was a has been by the late 90's.
I seem to remember Tom Petty's fight in the early eighties when he protested the $8.95 price on new vinyl LP of his "Hard Promises" release.
Prince had good reason to want to emancipate himself from a label. Michael just came across as a spoiled child, trying to blame somebody else for his mistake. The passing years have proven this. Prince is still producing. Michael's releases grew further and further apart, as well as worse and worse in quality.

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