Think global warming's a fraud? These...

Think global warming's a fraud? These scientists want to change your mind

There are 7 comments on the The Columbus Dispatch story from Jan 23, 2017, titled Think global warming's a fraud? These scientists want to change your mind. In it, The Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Scientists declared 2016 the warmest year on record last week, mostly blaming man-made global warming. It was the third straight record-breaking year.

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Most Scientists R Deniers

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Jan 23, 2017
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We know of no natural causes that can produce such changes. This pattern of tropospheric warming and stratospheric cooling is a clear 'fingerprint' of human-caused changes in greenhouse gases … and it was predicted 50 years ago by Suki Manabe and his colleagues at the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab in Princeton using only very sparse temperature measurements from weather balloons.

Subsequent satellite observations confirmed professor Manabe's prediction.

Richard Alley, Department of Geoscience, Penn State University

You might think of the evidence for human-caused global warming/climate change from fossil-fuel CO2 as a four-legged stool, with physics, models, data and history.

Start with physics. We know of no way that it is possible to raise CO2 in the atmosphere without turning up the Earth's thermostat - the physics that gives us such high confidence is used successfully in many other ways every day, with no serious questions. In all of these implementations, CO2 causes warming, and nobody has found any way to build a physically realistic model in which that does not occur. Turn off the warmth from CO2, and models tend to turn the Earth into a giant frozen snowball.

And this applies in history. Climate has always changed, and that has always had large impacts on living things. Many causes of climate changes exist, and we see their influence in the past. The understanding that works for recent events also works far back in the past, with more CO2 bringing more warmth.

With this four-legged stool, we can go to the public and say that human release of CO2, especially from burning fossil fuels, is changing the climate, that the changes will continue to grow if we continue to burn fossil fuels and release the CO2, and that this will have large impacts on us.

But this doesn't rest on one bit, or one idea, or one piece of evidence - it rests on the interwoven evidence of science, from fundamental understanding, implemented in models and painstakingly tested against recent data and Earth's long history, leading to predictions that are repeatedly proving to be accurate.

mrenault@dispatch.com

@MarionRenault
Most Scientists R Deniers

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Jan 23, 2017
We know of no natural causes that can produce such changes. This pattern of tropospheric warming and stratospheric cooling is a clear 'fingerprint' of human-caused changes in greenhouse gases … and it was predicted 50 years ago by Suki Manabe and his colleagues at the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab in Princeton using only very sparse temperature measurements from weather balloons.

Subsequent satellite observations confirmed professor Manabe's prediction.

Richard Alley, Department of Geoscience, Penn State University

You might think of the evidence for human-caused global warming/climate change from fossil-fuel CO2 as a four-legged stool, with physics, models, data and history.

Start with physics. We know of no way that it is possible to raise CO2 in the atmosphere without turning up the Earth's thermostat - the physics that gives us such high confidence is used successfully in many other ways every day, with no serious questions. In all of these implementations, CO2 causes warming, and nobody has found any way to build a physically realistic model in which that does not occur. Turn off the warmth from CO2, and models tend to turn the Earth into a giant frozen snowball.

And this applies in history. Climate has always changed, and that has always had large impacts on living things. Many causes of climate changes exist, and we see their influence in the past. The understanding that works for recent events also works far back in the past, with more CO2 bringing more warmth.

With this four-legged stool, we can go to the public and say that human release of CO2, especially from burning fossil fuels, is changing the climate, that the changes will continue to grow if we continue to burn fossil fuels and release the CO2, and that this will have large impacts on us.

But this doesn't rest on one bit, or one idea, or one piece of evidence - it rests on the interwoven evidence of science, from fundamental understanding, implemented in models and painstakingly tested against recent data and Earth's long history, leading to predictions that are repeatedly proving to be accurate.

mrenault@dispatch.com

@MarionRenault
Most Scientists R Deniers

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jan 23, 2017
-continued

We know of no natural causes that can produce such changes. This pattern of tropospheric warming and stratospheric cooling is a clear 'fingerprint' of human-caused changes in greenhouse gases … and it was predicted 50 years ago by Suki Manabe and his colleagues at the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab in Princeton using only very sparse temperature measurements from weather balloons.

Subsequent satellite observations confirmed professor Manabe's prediction.
Most Scientists R Deniers

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Jan 23, 2017
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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The 97% only includes those who actually presented studies that addressed AGW.
Exactly! but that 97.1%, we are repeatedly told, is representative of the entire scientific community.

These stories kinda trick people into believing the science is now settled because 97.1% of the scientific community is in agreement ....when in truth, most (66.4%) really offered no opinion one way or the other.
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Not 97% of the science community but 97% of the scientists who addressed AGW. Try to get that through your thick skull.
What I am trying to have you realize is there is a collective effort to trick people into believing 97.1% of ALL SCIENTISTS believe in AGW as is the case in this story above ^.

"The evidence here is not scientific but more sociological.

And it is that the overwhelming consensus - over 97 percent - of the relevant scientific community is that recent climate change is a real phenomenon driven by humans. That evidence is supported by multiple studies conducted by different researchers in different ways ... but the results are the same. The evidence supporting human-caused global warming has produced a clear scientific consensus."
Evolution

Bradenton, FL

#7 Jan 2, 2018
Mosaic sinkholers and stripminers and PULTE Polluters are destroying the water ............as governors rick scott , Scott Pruitt and gov Snyder take cash from KOCH BROS and AIPAC fifth column.

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#8 Jan 2, 2018
Most Scientists R Deniers wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/new s/global-warming/T75PAICG6GHK2 Q32B/p88

<quoted text>

Exactly! but that 97.1%, we are repeatedly told, is representative of the entire scientific community.

These stories kinda trick people into believing the science is now settled because 97.1% of the scientific community is in agreement ....when in truth, most (66.4%) really offered no opinion one way or the other.
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But the ones who have studied the science are those who have the understanding. Why would someone working on the reproduction of an Anopheles Mosquito have a real grasp on atmospheric science? We stand on the shoulders on giants. That is pertaining to knowledge not political stature. We must support those who are at the forefront of science and technology. Their work for the most part is not political and it has brought Western civilization forwards. Why are so many trying to destroy the very institutions that have made life better for most?

The studies basically said that in the scientific community 97 percent of those involved in atmospheric science agree that global warming is happening and man is implicit. Those who have perverted the study by saying all scientists have said 97% are dishonest. You will find most of these are from the denier fold who attempt to discredit global warming.
Poster Child for Truth

Regina, Canada

#10 Jan 5, 2018
Those so-called "scientists" need to change their own minds instead:

Scientific Genius Donald J. Trump VERSUS Fake Climate Science:

http://www.theplaintruthaboutdonaldtrump.com/...

All-American Scientist Donald J. Trump VERSUS The Paris Climate Accord:

http://www.theplaintruthaboutdonaldtrump.com/...

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