Act Up and Queer Nation Confront Russian Vodka Company at Manhattan Club

Sep 21, 2013 Full story: EDGE 11

Five members of ACT UP and Queer Nation disrupted the September 19 finale of the Most Original Stoli Guy Competition at Marquee NY.

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Sherman Oaks, CA

#2 Sep 22, 2013
This is why such people and these groups make the gay community look ridiculous. Do these idiots REALLY think their tantrums will have even the slightest effect on how gays are treated in Russia. Are they that clueless and that stupid? Are they so stupid as to thing they will get any time in the Russian media? Are they so stupid as to believe, in their narcisstic frenzy, that their idiocy will have any effect of sales of Stoli?

One can only wonder just how stupid some people can be.

Since: Mar 09

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#3 Sep 23, 2013
Let's hope they get the right vodka labels this time, instead of Latvian and Ukrainian distilleries.
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#4 Sep 23, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
This is why such people and these groups make the gay community look ridiculous. Do these idiots REALLY think their tantrums will have even the slightest effect on how gays are treated in Russia. Are they that clueless and that stupid? Are they so stupid as to thing they will get any time in the Russian media? Are they so stupid as to believe, in their narcisstic frenzy, that their idiocy will have any effect of sales of Stoli?
One can only wonder just how stupid some people can be.
Stupid queers.
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Sherman Oaks, CA

#5 Sep 23, 2013
snyper wrote:
Let's hope they get the right vodka labels this time, instead of Latvian and Ukrainian distilleries.
Okay. You're one of the smarter and more educated in this forum. Do you think their activities will accomplish anything positive or useful?(This is not a rhetorical question. It is a request for your opinion.)

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#6 Sep 23, 2013
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This is why such people and these groups make the gay community look ridiculous.....
Just as the so called Christian groups who try to boycott anything "pro-hay" make ALL Christians look stupid?

It's stupid to assume that every part of any group must always support anything that a few of it's members do. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't believe you personally think that way, but it is annoying to hear.

I feel that organized boycotts are a waste of time and effort, but, on a personal level, I have been known not to spend my money for things and in places that promote causes I don't agree with.

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#7 Sep 23, 2013
Opps, meant to say "pro-gay" not "pro-hay". Guess I was thinking about feeding the horses ...
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Sherman Oaks, CA

#8 Sep 23, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Just as the so called Christian groups who try to boycott anything "pro-hay" make ALL Christians look stupid?
It's stupid to assume that every part of any group must always support anything that a few of it's members do. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't believe you personally think that way, but it is annoying to hear.
I feel that organized boycotts are a waste of time and effort, but, on a personal level, I have been known not to spend my money for things and in places that promote causes I don't agree with.
I agree with your notion about silly organized boycotts. And in a way, the more radical christian churches do cast doubt on other evangelical churches, citing the nut jobs of Westboro Baptist. People like Mike Huckabee, Nick Santorum or Rick Perry sometimes say things that cause some to think ill about all Republicans. Some in this forum are proud to declare their opposition to anything Republican based on one or two issues. On the other side, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barbara Boxer just make me want to puke, the sad element being that so many buy their bullsh!t.

Personally, I'm tired of the radical environmentalists who are proud to impede progress by spreading fear about some possible, yet unlikely, disaster that may or (more likely) may not happen. Tangentially, it's kinda funny that after the hysterical despair over diminishing polar ice, a report came out about record INCREASE of the polar ice cap. So yes, I generally don't pay much attention to the environmental hysterics because of the nonsense spewed by the more zealous. Kinda like the frantic zealous gay militants do, indeed, give a bad name to the gay community. You are the recipient of that backlash. Is that fair? I think not, but are you willing to give even a fraction of the energy to rebutting those whose silly rhetoric damages the gay community as you are to working for what you may legitimately deserve to gain?

Not an easy question, and I expect the usual idiots to spout their usual bullsh!t just so they can feel like they might score some imaginary points against the big, bad, breeder who is not impressed with, and will actively rebut, their bullsh!t tantrums.

On the other hand, ever the optimist I hope for a reasonably honest exchange, not necessarily an agreement, of ideas from the more reasonable and rational. Like you, for instance.

Since: Mar 09

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#9 Sep 23, 2013
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<quoted text> Okay. You're one of the smarter and more educated in this forum. Do you think their activities will accomplish anything positive or useful?(This is not a rhetorical question. It is a request for your opinion.)
Russia - zero effect
Domestically - dependent upon how widely it spreads

Effect on the Russian mob in the USA - noticeable+

The few items that the US imports from the Russian Federation it needs.

If our economy were better, a supply-side manufacturers' embargo or price gouging protest would be effective, but even that would have minimal effect.

Russia is sitting on the largest supply of untapped resources on the planet outside of Africa; readily accessible only 3-4 months out of the year, but that is just a tech problem.

Similarly, the average Russians have had to live in privation and enforced frugality for so long that splurging means an extra dish of something on the dinner table, a pair of Levis or (shock) Air Jordans. Privation just feeds into the well-inculcated anti-Western nationalism that permeates their psyche.

If the American internet goes down, just about everybody suddenly gets stupid. A Russkie will walk over to the home of the friend they would have texted and borrow a repair manual.

During the Apollo program NASA spent a couple of million to develop a pen that would work in zero gravity.

The Russians used a pencil.
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Sherman Oaks, CA

#10 Sep 23, 2013
I knew I could count on you to say something concise and simultaneously brilliant!
snyper wrote:
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Russia - zero effect
Domestically - dependent upon how widely it spreads
I don't think it will spread appreciably. The gay agenda/lobby just isn't that important to vodka drinkers.(personal opinion.) I don't drink vodka (or anything else) that much anymore, and never did like Stoli. Absolut or Kettle One are far smoother. Point being that there are many vodka choices.
snyper wrote:
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Effect on the Russian mob in the USA - noticeable+
Interesting. Would you expand on that just a bit, please?
snyper wrote:
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The few items that the US imports from the Russian Federation it needs.
Such as?
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
If our economy were better, a supply-side manufacturers' embargo or price gouging protest would be effective, but even that would have minimal effect.
Russia is sitting on the largest supply of untapped resources on the planet outside of Africa; readily accessible only 3-4 months out of the year, but that is just a tech problem.
Much like the USA... without the environmental nut jobs to get in the way.
snyper wrote:
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Similarly, the average Russians have had to live in privation and enforced frugality for so long that splurging means an extra dish of something on the dinner table, a pair of Levis or (shock) Air Jordans. Privation just feeds into the well-inculcated anti-Western nationalism that permeates their psyche.
And yet the story goes that Soviet athletes and artists would make a mini fortune by selling the Levi's they bought in the USA.
snyper wrote:
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If the American internet goes down, just about everybody suddenly gets stupid. A Russkie will walk over to the home of the friend they would have texted and borrow a repair manual.
During the Apollo program NASA spent a couple of million to develop a pen that would work in zero gravity.
The Russians used a pencil.
Your point about Americans getting stupid re Internet, et al, is well taken. I know from personal experience. I don't do repair manuals. I have friends for that purpose.(Or a neighbor's 13 yr old.)

And that last item re the pencil is priceless.

Thank you.

Since: Mar 09

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#11 Sep 24, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
I knew I could count on you to say something concise and simultaneously brilliant!
<quoted text>
I don't think it will spread appreciably. The gay agenda/lobby just isn't that important to vodka drinkers.(personal opinion.) I don't drink vodka (or anything else) that much anymore, and never did like Stoli. Absolut or Kettle One are far smoother. Point being that there are many vodka choices.
<quoted text> Interesting. Would you expand on that just a bit, please?
<quoted text> Such as?
<quoted text>
Much like the USA... without the environmental nut jobs to get in the way.
<quoted text> And yet the story goes that Soviet athletes and artists would make a mini fortune by selling the Levi's they bought in the USA.
<quoted text> Your point about Americans getting stupid re Internet, et al, is well taken. I know from personal experience. I don't do repair manuals. I have friends for that purpose.(Or a neighbor's 13 yr old.)
And that last item re the pencil is priceless.
Thank you.
The domestic effect will be larger, most appreciably, among the gay community itself. Still, this isn't the mid '70s, Russia isn't Coors with Stroh's snapping at it's heel for market share, and Russia isn't having union problems.

Regarding the Yaks, better less said than more.

The U.S. needs platinum, especially foamed platinum. You can look up it's essential uses.

If "the environmental nutjobs" had been listened to decades earlier, we would still be sitting an major oil deposits and not contaminating ground water with fracking and, as Canada is just beginning to find out, permanent destruction of the soil as the chemical leach to the surface. Kills forests from the roots up and you can't replant. Nothing will grow. Of course, the aquifer's toast, too, so underground seepage and runoff hit the lakes and downstream water supplies for human and non-human animals alike.

The days of black market Levis are over. They get the real deal, sewn in China at the local version of Nordstroms ... at least in the big cities. In the suburbs and rurally, little changes.

So for repairs, you go to your own personal serf, huh?

The pencil story is merely history.

I must add, though, that they are VERY good pens. The technology that made the ballpoints work in zero-G is the same tech that went into the deposition heads in laser printers and a number of other applications. That's a big difference between us. Not everything belongs to government, so we play. Theme and variations.



It's been said that any man can juggle three balls, or even seven or eight and still not be a master. It isn't the number of balls. It isn't even juggling different sizes, shapes and weights at the same time, though that is very good. Mastery is juggling all of the above while riding a unicycle and reciting Shakespearean speeches.

That's what the USA is good at ... keeping diversity in the air.

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Sherman Oaks, CA

#12 Sep 26, 2013
snyper wrote:
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So for repairs, you go to your own personal serf, huh?
For computer repairs, I go to a PhD friend who has forbidden me from letting anybody else work on my computer. Something about them (and me -- mostly me) being an idiot.

For my Kindle, yes, I have a personal serf. Everyone should own at least one.

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