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Can You Smell Them Now? Striking Union Agrees Not To Drop, Spread Or Throw Fecesa

There are 11 comments on the www.laborunionreport.com story from Aug 16, 2011, titled Can You Smell Them Now? Striking Union Agrees Not To Drop, Spread Or Throw Fecesa. In it, www.laborunionreport.com reports that:

While injunctions are often issued during strikes when there are instances of mass picketing and the blocking of entrances and exits, the New Jersey injunction is somewhat unusual in that it also specified the aforementioned feces.

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“Preparing”

Since: Jul 10

Ingleside, IL.

#1 Aug 16, 2011
Really? Why in God's name do adults have to be court ordered not to throw feces? Is it any wonder that Verizon won't deal with these people. Would anyone of us deal with them?
Mike

East Orange, NJ

#2 Aug 16, 2011
45,000 working folks are fighting to save the American Dream right now—and It demonstrates the greed or the rich and corporations

Last year Verizon made $12 billion in profits,(1) got $1 billion in subsidies, and paid $0 in taxes.(2) But rather than sharing the profits with the working people who make the company successful, Verizon is demanding that their workers take pay and benefit cuts of $20,000 a year.(3) This is at the same time that their four top executives have pocketed over $258 million in the past four years.(4)

But these workers are fighting back with the only tool left in their arsenal. They're striking to keep Verizon from killing the American dream for middle class families.(5)

This strike gets right to the core of what we're fighting for: good jobs for working families. We need to show Verizon that the country is watching, and we're disgusted with their greed and mistreatment of the men and women who built their company.

When it comes to putting corporate bonuses over decent living wages, Verizon's behavior is unfortunately all too common. But because Verizon's workers are in a union, they have the means to fight back. But they need the help of Verizon's customers if they're going to shame Verizon into coming back to the negotiating table.

So make sure they hear you loud and clear. If we let Verizon know that their unfair treatment of workers is damaging the goodwill of potential customers, we can pressure them to come to the table and bargain in good faith.

Call 1-800-837-4966

Sources:

1. "The Artful Dodgers: Telecommunications and Technology," Public Campaign
http://www.publicampaign.org/reports/artfuldo...

2. "Verizon Pushes for $1 Billion in Concessions from Workers, While Receiving Nearly $1 Billion in Subsidies from Uncle Sam," Citizens for Tax Justice, August 8, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r...

3. "Verizon workers hit picket lines from Mass. to Va.," ABC, August 8, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r...

4. "Company Refuses to Bargain Seriously, Verizon Proposals Would Take Workers Back Decades," Communication Workers of America, August 7, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r...

5. "CWA Union, Verizon Appeal to Congress Amid 4th Day of Strike," Bloomberg Businessweek, August 10, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r...

“Preparing”

Since: Jul 10

Ingleside, IL.

#3 Aug 16, 2011
What does throwing feces accomplish?
tea ali

Warren, MI

#4 Aug 19, 2011
Mike wrote:
45,000 working folks are fighting to save the American Dream right now—and It demonstrates the greed or the rich and corporations...
How does throwing feces save the American Dream?

Would YOU support, hire, or promote someone who needs a court injunction to tell them how to behave if they worked for some other large company? Would you do business with such a person? I'm a former employee, 18 years, and I am disgusted at how the world views union members as people who claim to represent 'middle class America', and as representatives of the type of person who works for Verizon. Their aim is to hurt the company, and they are succeeding, but they hurt themselves more. They will GIVE Verizon a reason to lay them off when they lose customers. There's greed on BOTH sides of this strike. A shame you can't see that.
jack

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Aug 29, 2012
tea ali wrote:
<quoted text>
How does throwing feces save the American Dream?
Would YOU support, hire, or promote someone who needs a court injunction to tell them how to behave if they worked for some other large company? Would you do business with such a person? I'm a former employee, 18 years, and I am disgusted at how the world views union members as people who claim to represent 'middle class America', and as representatives of the type of person who works for Verizon. Their aim is to hurt the company, and they are succeeding, but they hurt themselves more. They will GIVE Verizon a reason to lay them off when they lose customers. There's greed on BOTH sides of this strike. A shame you can't see that.


After many years working in ibew local 110 I am going to have to leave, the leadership is crazy, best part is I am running a world wide project and will get to kick 10 ibew contractors out the door next monday, never to return, at least the leadership of the union will have jobs, for a while, now it's a war, will remove all of the ibew jobs that I can, they don't need them.
Mystery Man

Waukegan, IL

#6 Aug 30, 2012
jack wrote:
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After many years working in ibew local 110 I am going to have to leave, the leadership is crazy, best part is I am running a world wide project and will get to kick 10 ibew contractors out the door next monday, never to return, at least the leadership of the union will have jobs, for a while, now it's a war, will remove all of the ibew jobs that I can, they don't need them.
you rock Jack
unions have been hurting people for years.
look at how the chicago teachers union always screw with parents every fall.
the know damn well parents gotta work and dont have time to deal with finding a sitter for their kids at the begining of the school year
so they always strike then to force parents to back them up.
unions are disgusting.
teacher unions are the worse of all unions.
i'll vote anyone in who'll bust up unions.
Get on with your life

Grayslake, IL

#7 Aug 30, 2012
Mike wrote:
45,000 working folks are fighting to save the American Dream right now—and It demonstrates the greed or the rich and corporations
Last year Verizon made $12 billion in profits,(1) got $1 billion in subsidies, and paid $0 in taxes.(2) But rather than sharing the profits with the working people who make the company successful, Verizon is demanding that their workers take pay and benefit cuts of $20,000 a year.(3) This is at the same time that their four top executives have pocketed over $258 million in the past four years.(4)
But these workers are fighting back with the only tool left in their arsenal. They're striking to keep Verizon from killing the American dream for middle class families.(5)
This strike gets right to the core of what we're fighting for: good jobs for working families. We need to show Verizon that the country is watching, and we're disgusted with their greed and mistreatment of the men and women who built their company.
When it comes to putting corporate bonuses over decent living wages, Verizon's behavior is unfortunately all too common. But because Verizon's workers are in a union, they have the means to fight back. But they need the help of Verizon's customers if they're going to shame Verizon into coming back to the negotiating table.
So make sure they hear you loud and clear. If we let Verizon know that their unfair treatment of workers is damaging the goodwill of potential customers, we can pressure them to come to the table and bargain in good faith.
Lighten up with the rhetoric mike. Sice when does a company owe an employee anything but a paycheck and a little respect.

By the way, they do have the ability to share in the good fortunes of the company; they can buy stock just like everyone else.

Shut up with the union playlist and get back to work before you argue your way into making my point for me.

As to the tax issue, stop electing morons who take money and time from lobbyiest.
To The Point

United States

#8 Sep 4, 2012
Get on with your life wrote:
<quoted text>
Lighten up with the rhetoric mike. Sice when does a company owe an employee anything but a paycheck and a little respect.
By the way, they do have the ability to share in the good fortunes of the company; they can buy stock just like everyone else.
Shut up with the union playlist and get back to work before you argue your way into making my point for me.
As to the tax issue, stop electing morons who take money and time from lobbyists.
Boy ain't that the truth! The Union earned this badge of dishonor by requiring incredibly expensive things like 100% coverage on healthcare, fully funded pensions (even for new hires!), a disgusting amount of time off, almost impossibly conditions to fire or lay off low performing workers, demands for wage increases that are not based on merit, and the list goes on. They refuse to move where the work ACTUALLY IS, are inflexible on doing more than a specified job task (I'm sick of that one), and right out of the ol' union playbook, don't do too much cause if you're slow enough, the company would have to hire more people (i.e. more people to pay the union dues).

For all of the good employees that are in a union, you can't walk around with this kind of mentality. You have been brainwashed by the union itself to systematically work in a questionable manner and forge conditions that are hostile because the union itself is nothing but a business too and NOT out for your best interest. They want to create a bottom line just like any other business and their methods are pathetic and out dated. Who the hell can run a business like that!

Is it any wonder why states that are not 'right to work' like Texas, Florida, and others are the ones recovering the fastest? The bottom line is and should always be that the union needs to make themselves competitive.

It does not matter that the Wireless side of the house seems to carry the company and with that, a profit. That profit will be used to grow the company and create more opportunity for jobs. You have a line of business that is no longer viable or sustainable due to progress in technology and competition and instead of creating flexibility that could insure you maintain a job, many of you choose to go down a road that puts in jeopardy your existence. It seems the union would rather you gamble on losing and there are many families that just can't afford that. But keep in mind, if you lose, then only YOU lose. The union will still make their money. You have to be smarter than the union reps, think for yourselves. You know it's true....
Mystery Man

Chicago, IL

#9 Sep 7, 2012
To The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy ain't that the truth! The Union earned this badge of dishonor by requiring incredibly expensive things like 100% coverage on healthcare, fully funded pensions (even for new hires!), a disgusting amount of time off, almost impossibly conditions to fire or lay off low performing workers, demands for wage increases that are not based on merit, and the list goes on. They refuse to move where the work ACTUALLY IS, are inflexible on doing more than a specified job task (I'm sick of that one), and right out of the ol' union playbook, don't do too much cause if you're slow enough, the company would have to hire more people (i.e. more people to pay the union dues).
For all of the good employees that are in a union, you can't walk around with this kind of mentality. You have been brainwashed by the union itself to systematically work in a questionable manner and forge conditions that are hostile because the union itself is nothing but a business too and NOT out for your best interest. They want to create a bottom line just like any other business and their methods are pathetic and out dated. Who the hell can run a business like that!
Is it any wonder why states that are not 'right to work' like Texas, Florida, and others are the ones recovering the fastest? The bottom line is and should always be that the union needs to make themselves competitive.
It does not matter that the Wireless side of the house seems to carry the company and with that, a profit. That profit will be used to grow the company and create more opportunity for jobs. You have a line of business that is no longer viable or sustainable due to progress in technology and competition and instead of creating flexibility that could insure you maintain a job, many of you choose to go down a road that puts in jeopardy your existence. It seems the union would rather you gamble on losing and there are many families that just can't afford that. But keep in mind, if you lose, then only YOU lose. The union will still make their money. You have to be smarter than the union reps, think for yourselves. You know it's true....
I'm not sure where you are coming from on this issue.
Are you trying to save the unions ?
Are you suggesting the unions will always be here making money ?
I'm not buying into that.
Unions have out lived their usefulness. People can think for themselves and negotiate their own terms for employment.
Its time to end union rule over businesses and especially schools.
Only teachers have a job where they can't be fired for poor preformance. In fact they are guaranteed pay raises and benefits normal business workers could only dream about. And why not its the tax payers footing the bill. They don't have to worry about a profit margin or a bottom line.
Its time to end all unions. What have we got to lose ?
Businesses are already laying off workers and closing down factories. Schools are going on strke in Chicago. And their money comes from the state not just Chicago. So we pay for that too. We can save money and jobs by getting rid of all unions.
To The Point

United States

#10 Sep 11, 2012
Mystery Man wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure where you are coming from on this issue.
Are you trying to save the unions ?
Are you suggesting the unions will always be here making money ?
I'm not buying into that.
Unions have out lived their usefulness. People can think for themselves and negotiate their own terms for employment.
Its time to end union rule over businesses and especially schools.
Only teachers have a job where they can't be fired for poor preformance. In fact they are guaranteed pay raises and benefits normal business workers could only dream about. And why not its the tax payers footing the bill. They don't have to worry about a profit margin or a bottom line.
Its time to end all unions. What have we got to lose ?
Businesses are already laying off workers and closing down factories. Schools are going on strke in Chicago. And their money comes from the state not just Chicago. So we pay for that too. We can save money and jobs by getting rid of all unions.
Maybe I didn't say it as clearly as I needed to. I agree with you, ALL unions should be dissolved! They haven't be relevant in decades and suck the life AND money right out of a business and the cities they are in. NY and NJ are great examples of that. Further, I have more problems with Public unions than I do Private unions (but agree, they both MUST go).

Private unions only impact the companies they are tied to. Eventually the cost to maintain the CBA's for private unions become so expensive that companies have to take drastic actions and sometimes that means bankruptcy so that they are protected by law to be able to restructure and renegotiate. But we have seen in years passed, especially with airlines, that when they use this method, it is a very effective tool to either significantly reduce the costs of a union OR to get rid of them all together. Alternatively, if the unions get too expensive, this drives up costs for goods and services which effects margins. So that is passed to the consumer through higher prices. The net effect of that is that the company can no longer compete and will eventually meet their end because they will be pricing themselves out of a job.

Public unions are the worst! For these, the American tax payers are on the hook to fund lavish benefits packages, high cost pension plans, and are usually not held to a standard where their wage increases are based on performance, they are instead negotiated (more like demanded). The major downside here is that the tax payers get stuck holding the check and unlike companies with private unions, we don't have a 'competitor' to go to if the costs are too high. We are instead held hostage by it.

Take the Chicago teachers union that went on strike. They make the highest average annual salary than anyone in the country, yet their performance on testing sucks big time by comparison. Whats worse, it's not like you can just send your kid to another school cause the one they go to has teachers that are overpaid or have really expensive benefits packages. They and their parents are once again, at the mercy of those teachers. They are greedy as hell and I don't care what anyone says, they are a TEACHER! Generally speaking, many teach a single subject or maybe a few others, but they are specialized. And yes, before anyone says it, there are many good teachers, but in the market place, they do not command the skills or value that require the salary they are demanding. So the empathy bit that keeps getting played doesn't work on me. This is one of the reasons I like school voucher programs and charter schools.

There are lots of examples of Public unions that have members that just get paid WAY too much money or have benefits packages that are beyond ridiculous. The American tax payer should not be held hostage by their pathetic demands and local leaders and politicians should take care of that. All states should be Right-to-Work! NOBODY should be forced into a union!
wireless

Syracuse, NY

#11 Sep 19, 2012
how great today is. the wireless side helps out again. thank god for them and how soft the union is. three more years i get to sit on my ass

thank you

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