Goldman CEO: support for gay rights "not without price"

May 2, 2012 Full story: Maktoob Business 12

Goldman Sachs Group Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein said on Wednesday his recent very public support for gay rights had cost the investment bank at least one client.

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uve

Desert Hot Springs, CA

#1 May 2, 2012
Finally, something somewhat positive from the financial sector, questionable as it may be. Don't kid yourselves, it's always been about money.
FundieMentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#2 May 2, 2012
On the contrary, this is part of a long pattern of poor judgement from the Human Rights Campaign. It would be difficult to imagine a more toxic, corporate person to be pushing now as some sort of model str8 ally.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#3 May 2, 2012
That's why the ONLY mention you've ever blatantly seen concerning "the price we pay" is contained in an article where support was linked directly to the financial sector. Even if the exactitude of my point doesn't hold, the point generally stands. And any such contentious issue will exact a price; this should be a non-concern.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#4 May 3, 2012
FundieMentally ill wrote:
On the contrary, this is part of a long pattern of poor judgement from the Human Rights Campaign. It would be difficult to imagine a more toxic, corporate person to be pushing now as some sort of model str8 ally.
Tirelessly I will say it, tirelessly: They don't understand WHAT they are fighting; they insist that their methods will work.

The HRC reminds me of the government BEFORE 9/11, when they thought their traditional "methods" of fighting terrorists would work.

It's such an apt analogy that a chill went up my spine as I wrote it.

The antigay in the current climate are very, very unyielding and publicly proclaim that they won't budge a millimeter. Most of the philosophy that "we can change hearts and minds" has to go out the window when dealing with them. Understanding of this has been way, way too limited. They must be fought with a savagery which should *frighten them*, no more and no less. I am not talking about threats of violence; I am talking about a commitment which is feral and zealous and robotic -- like they are.

That attitude does not need to be taken with the average rank-and-file who are reasonable. But the antigay "leaders" are an entirely different breed and HRC is completely goddamn ineffective in most of its current methods -- useless, basically.

They need to relearn very, very badly.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 May 3, 2012
Oh no! One whole client. More companies support equal rights, yet so few lose anything, and usually it's just a drop in the bucket anyway. Funny, even the richest people, the most powerful people, in the country support equal rights. You know you're on the wrong side when the people who pay your bills support the other side of an issue.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#6 May 3, 2012
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
Tirelessly I will say it, tirelessly: They don't understand WHAT they are fighting; they insist that their methods will work.
The HRC reminds me of the government BEFORE 9/11, when they thought their traditional "methods" of fighting terrorists would work.
It's such an apt analogy that a chill went up my spine as I wrote it.
The antigay in the current climate are very, very unyielding and publicly proclaim that they won't budge a millimeter. Most of the philosophy that "we can change hearts and minds" has to go out the window when dealing with them. Understanding of this has been way, way too limited. They must be fought with a savagery which should *frighten them*, no more and no less. I am not talking about threats of violence; I am talking about a commitment which is feral and zealous and robotic -- like they are.
That attitude does not need to be taken with the average rank-and-file who are reasonable. But the antigay "leaders" are an entirely different breed and HRC is completely goddamn ineffective in most of its current methods -- useless, basically.
They need to relearn very, very badly.
You do realize that you are talking about a small part of the equal rights movement, right? There are a lot of organizations, and each utilizing different methods with different aims. The push toward equal rights is a very concerted effort this time, we want to avoid a physical war and the problems that brings. To do that you attack a civil problem from different angles with different methods. It may amaze you to learn just how concerted we are now.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#8 May 3, 2012
uve wrote:
Finally, something somewhat positive from the financial sector, questionable as it may be. Don't kid yourselves, it's always been about money.
and it prob.didn't faze them on the NYSE either.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#10 May 9, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that you are talking about a small part of the equal rights movement, right? There are a lot of organizations, and each utilizing different methods with different aims. The push toward equal rights is a very concerted effort this time, we want to avoid a physical war and the problems that brings. To do that you attack a civil problem from different angles with different methods. It may amaze you to learn just how concerted we are now.
I remain cautious and suspicious. I do appreciate this response, and I thank you for it, but the main problem with "fighting" the antigay is that their views are based on a psychology which prompts their obsession: They believe their mission is ordained by god, and believe there is nothing they can do wrong in accomplishing what they feel they must. This puts the pro-gay into a position of fighting a "Vietnam" of sorts in which they want to take a high road (which is good in some cases, and is useless in others) and in which they are not allowing themselves to pull out ALL the stops in fighting this. I often wish now that the antigay will grow hysterical and dangerous so that it will prompt the pro-gay to fight that might harder, as the movement needs it.

To me, different methods could be used for ALL individuals who are NOT psychologically obsessed in this manner. Reasonable people can hold a discussion. Antigay fundamentalists and their ilk are publicly and very "proudly" not going to budge a millimeter, so discussion is laughable and useless. Appealing to their better nature *by any means whatsoever, including the welfare of children*, is useless. Their ideology is more important to them than the life of any man, woman or child. They are literally a danger to the country and to society.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#11 May 11, 2012
One should really practice equality anywhere and everywhere .

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12 May 11, 2012
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
I remain cautious and suspicious. I do appreciate this response, and I thank you for it, but the main problem with "fighting" the antigay is that their views are based on a psychology which prompts their obsession: They believe their mission is ordained by god, and believe there is nothing they can do wrong in accomplishing what they feel they must. This puts the pro-gay into a position of fighting a "Vietnam" of sorts in which they want to take a high road (which is good in some cases, and is useless in others) and in which they are not allowing themselves to pull out ALL the stops in fighting this. I often wish now that the antigay will grow hysterical and dangerous so that it will prompt the pro-gay to fight that might harder, as the movement needs it.
To me, different methods could be used for ALL individuals who are NOT psychologically obsessed in this manner. Reasonable people can hold a discussion. Antigay fundamentalists and their ilk are publicly and very "proudly" not going to budge a millimeter, so discussion is laughable and useless. Appealing to their better nature *by any means whatsoever, including the welfare of children*, is useless. Their ideology is more important to them than the life of any man, woman or child. They are literally a danger to the country and to society.
I just wanted to read it again.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13 May 11, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that you are talking about a small part of the equal rights movement, right? There are a lot of organizations, and each utilizing different methods with different aims. The push toward equal rights is a very concerted effort this time, we want to avoid a physical war and the problems that brings. To do that you attack a civil problem from different angles with different methods. It may amaze you to learn just how concerted we are now.
The only problem is groupthink.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 May 11, 2012
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
Tirelessly I will say it, tirelessly: They don't understand WHAT they are fighting; they insist that their methods will work.
The HRC reminds me of the government BEFORE 9/11, when they thought their traditional "methods" of fighting terrorists would work.
It's such an apt analogy that a chill went up my spine as I wrote it.
The antigay in the current climate are very, very unyielding and publicly proclaim that they won't budge a millimeter. Most of the philosophy that "we can change hearts and minds" has to go out the window when dealing with them. Understanding of this has been way, way too limited. They must be fought with a savagery which should *frighten them*, no more and no less. I am not talking about threats of violence; I am talking about a commitment which is feral and zealous and robotic -- like they are.
That attitude does not need to be taken with the average rank-and-file who are reasonable. But the antigay "leaders" are an entirely different breed and HRC is completely goddamn ineffective in most of its current methods -- useless, basically.
They need to relearn very, very badly.
I say just whack them upside the head with a Bible.

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