Pacific Beach Hotel and union disagree

Pacific Beach Hotel and union disagree

There are 54 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Aug 5, 2008, titled Pacific Beach Hotel and union disagree. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The Pacific Beach Hotel is claiming that a majority of workers have signed a petition stating that they do not want to be part of a union; however, ILWU Local 142 said the signatures were obtained under duress ...

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Ununionize

Honolulu, HI

#21 Aug 5, 2008
I asked a union auditor about this and found out that union officials get their in a different way. For instance in construction they are informed of development far enough in advance to purchase land surrounding the new construction and sell later for huge profits.
Westside Wind

Honolulu, HI

#22 Aug 5, 2008
reality check wrote:
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HOW the lawoff is conducted is what matters! If you ever had to face a layoff situation in a hotel you would feel better knowing that a straight forward system is used (usually by job seniority) and enforced by your labor union. You can go to another department if you have enough seniority and can do the job. If not, you usually get a nice severance check that increases for every year of service. The union can also make the company PROVE that a layoff is necessary and force them to OPEN THE BOOKS. Also, my union contract says that if they rehire within 12 months they have to call back those who were laid off FIRST. Sounds good, right?
Good points. But a good company run by good management doesn't need a union. Unions exist because of bad management and owners.
Likewise, there are bad unions and bad employees.
In this particular case, it could be a little of all of the above.
Since unions don't invest capital and take the risks to run a business, they should have no rights to look at the books. The entitlement attitude only works for welfare recipients IMO.
spamworld

Honolulu, HI

#23 Aug 5, 2008
Westside Wind wrote:
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Good points. But a good company run by good management doesn't need a union. Unions exist because of bad management and owners.
Likewise, there are bad unions and bad employees.
In this particular case, it could be a little of all of the above.
Since unions don't invest capital and take the risks to run a business, they should have no rights to look at the books. The entitlement attitude only works for welfare recipients IMO.
Wrong, in contract neg. if a company is pleading poverty it must open its books to prove need.
Also IMO its only right and in the best interest of the union to help the company in this situation. Unions do this all the time, Aloha air, Star Bulletin etc.
Givemeabreak

Honolulu, HI

#24 Aug 5, 2008
No aloha wrote:
What's most appalling is that this hotel is owned by local people, not by the usual swinish mainland bandits who bully and oppress their employees as if the plantation era never ended.
Chairman: Herbert T.(H.T.) Hayashi. President and CEO: Corine Hayashi. CFO: Lance Masatsugu.
If you ever come in contact with any of these people, tell them what you think of them.
Where are you getting your facts from? First of all, H.T. passed away a few years ago and Masatsugu is no longer with the company.
shibai

Honolulu, HI

#25 Aug 5, 2008
Unions are ruining Hawaii. They argue that wages must be increased so their members can afford to live here ... but it's these high union wages that are contributing to the high cost of living. Carpenters getting paid $10/hr more than the natinoal average, concrete truck drivers making $100K/yr ... all of these costs are contribuing to the high housing costs.

And let's not forget the State's most powerful union (HGEA) and the way they hold every politician hostage. The HGEA does NOT care about what's best for the State of Hawaii or about the future of this State - all they care about is ensuring that every gov't worker gets a raise and never loses his/her job - regardless of the employee's performance (or non-performance). We, as taxpayers, are forced to live with poor gov't services and as long as the HGEA is around, we stand no chance of gov't ever being able to hire hard working, bright people to replace the lazy, underperforming ones.
Westside Wind

Honolulu, HI

#26 Aug 5, 2008
Givemeabreak wrote:
<quoted text> Where are you getting your facts from? First of all, H.T. passed away a few years ago and Masatsugu is no longer with the company.
probably from his union representatives.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#27 Aug 5, 2008
With tourism in decline, this hotel might consider closing. It will not be missed.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#29 Aug 5, 2008
Westside wind makes sense..HGEA does provide very poor services and salaries are way too high in state government for the services performed.
gimme a break

Honolulu, HI

#30 Aug 6, 2008
Businessman wrote:
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Unions have BUILT a decent standard of living for people every place where there are unions. Note that communist Russia, China, and warlord dominated regions of Africa and the Middle East have no unions as we know them. I hate to say it but unions are the only thing that keeps a good standard of living for blue collar people.
Are you really that ignorant? What do you think the workers socialist parties are? The entire premise of communism was predicated on worker's unions! All of the socialist parties in communist countries were started by worker's unions. Get a frickin clue!

Since: Jul 08

Camp Coiner

#31 Aug 6, 2008
Pacific Beach Hotel management sucks.
Clark Kent

AOL

#32 Aug 6, 2008
gimme a break wrote:
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Are you really that ignorant? What do you think the workers socialist parties are? The entire premise of communism was predicated on worker's unions! All of the socialist parties in communist countries were started by worker's unions. Get a frickin clue!
Communism was predicated on the dictatorship of the proletariat through its vanguard party--the Communists. The soviets (workplace councils) were not affiliated with a trade union--they were extensions of the Communist Party, which suppressed unions and any other source of democratic power that rivaled their own. Maybe you should get a clue--and some manners.
Clark Kent

AOL

#33 Aug 6, 2008
badayu wrote:
Pacific Beach Hotel management sucks.
You got that right. Corine Hayashi and Robert Minicola are writing their own place in Hawaii history as being among the worst lawbreakers ever to run a company into the ground.

And if HTH believed their cheap little PR stunt on Monday was valid, they would have taken the "signatures" to the Labor Board office right here in Honolulu for verification, and not shipped them off to a Mainland anti-union consulting firm like EMSI.
Pro Workers Rights

Lahaina, HI

#34 Aug 6, 2008
Clark Kent wrote:
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You got that right. Corine Hayashi and Robert Minicola are writing their own place in Hawaii history as being among the worst lawbreakers ever to run a company into the ground.
And if HTH believed their cheap little PR stunt on Monday was valid, they would have taken the "signatures" to the Labor Board office right here in Honolulu for verification, and not shipped them off to a Mainland anti-union consulting firm like EMSI.
Exactly! Same as with Times Supermarket. Why aren't these petitions the employers say they have filed with the Labor Board. Is it because:

A. The petitions are fictitious?
B. They contain signatures that cannot be authenticated?
C. The signatures were illegally obtained thru deception?
D. Management coerced or intimidated workers who were afraid of losing their jobs after previous firings or threats?
E. A combination of B, C and D.

Why do the Republican Administrations (national and state) allow these businesses to break the law? Why should the rest of business and all us citizens continue to play by the rules?

Must be because the rest of us have ethics, morals, values and integrity. And because we do, we should stop these businesses from degrading the standard of living in Hawaii. At the very least, if government doesn't step forward to stop these lawless tactics, we as consumers can take action and boycott those who lack a social and societal conscience.
Janice

Norman, OK

#35 Sep 7, 2008
alice wrote:
With tourism in decline, this hotel might consider closing. It will not be missed.
We have been staying at the Pac Beach every summer for more than a decade, so my spouse and I would very much miss the Pac Beach! With its 3-story oceanarium, super Waikiki location and terrific, friendly workers, it would be very sad to see it close. Let's hope management can wise up and take better care of its employees.
da kine mind

Kailua, HI

#36 Apr 9, 2009
alice wrote:
With tourism in decline, this hotel might consider closing. It will not be missed.
And what you got for the peoplee ms alice in wonderland!
NOTHINg!!!!!!
Clark Kent

Waipahu, HI

#37 Dec 13, 2011
Wow, how time flies! Two years later and Hayashi and Minicola have both been found in contempt of court for repeat violations of workers' rights.

When will these criminals go to jail?
Joe Balls

Honolulu, HI

#38 Dec 13, 2011
I worked at a place that was ILWU. They never impressed me as being interested in anything other than collecting dues and selling dental plans.
Harry

Honolulu, HI

#39 Dec 13, 2011
Joe Balls wrote:
I worked at a place that was ILWU. They never impressed me as being interested in anything other than collecting dues and selling dental plans.
If you did indeed once belong to ILWU union they must have gotten rid of a azzhole like you. I know for a fact that once you start making problems their goons would kick your azz back to the mainland. So your statement is just another attempt to be a part of the story or what you are know for. The above story is just another example of JBalls PATHELOGICAL lieing and the making up of stories according to the thread. Reading your thousands and thousands of BS comments you would have to be 200 years old to have done them.
Jack

Phoenix, AZ

#40 Dec 13, 2011
Harry wrote:
<quoted text>If you did indeed once belong to ILWU union they must have gotten rid of a azzhole like you. I know for a fact that once you start making problems their goons would kick your azz back to the mainland. So your statement is just another attempt to be a part of the story or what you are know for. The above story is just another example of JBalls PATHELOGICAL lieing and the making up of stories according to the thread. Reading your thousands and thousands of BS comments you would have to be 200 years old to have done them.
Hey dope its lying not lieing....and its pathological not pathelogical ya fool....what did you do drop outta school in the 5th grade to smoking crack or what moron?....lmfao
Harry

Honolulu, HI

#41 Dec 13, 2011
Jack wrote:
<quoted text>Hey dope its lying not lieing....and its pathological not pathelogical ya fool....what did you do drop outta school in the 5th grade to smoking crack or what moron?....lmfao
Listen you ignorant MTFkr you understood what I was typing so your the fcking azzhole. Reading your stupid comments about Hawaii and then you admitting you have never visited makes you look like what your are. A DUMB FCK and the one that is uneducated besides being a STUPID hick. So FCK you.

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