Pacific Beach Hotel and union disagree

The Pacific Beach Hotel is claiming that a majority of workers have signed a petition stating that they do not want to be part of a union; however, ILWU Local 142 said the signatures were obtained under duress ... Full Story
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Clark Kent

AOL

#1 Aug 5, 2008
HTH has been breaking the law for six years now, and this is just the latest in their shameful behavior. It's illegal for management to solicit anti-union statements from workers, especially under threat of firing.
Clark Kent

AOL

#2 Aug 5, 2008
HTH is caught with their pants down, AGAIN--this time illegaly coercing anti-union statements from workers.

Looks like HTH/Pac Beach's PR firm didn't know that the labor Board already has VALID signed cards from 70% of the workers supporting their union and claiming they are under threat of firing if they speak out publicly.

Pac Beach: start obeying the law!
Calebb

Lahaina, HI

#3 Aug 5, 2008
The hotel is acting legally, the union just doesn't like it. Too bad.
ESPI

Aiea, HI

#4 Aug 5, 2008
Seems like HTH has put 100% efforts in Union-Busting for the past 6 years. No contract means no can strike, only informational strikes...the workers not wanting union is a big mistake. I recall prior to the ILWU taking over did'nt you workers were without a pay increase for several years?? stand together in solidarity.
No aloha

Honolulu, HI

#5 Aug 5, 2008
What's most appalling is that this hotel is owned by local people, not by the usual swinish mainland bandits who bully and oppress their employees as if the plantation era never ended.
Chairman: Herbert T.(H.T.) Hayashi. President and CEO: Corine Hayashi. CFO: Lance Masatsugu.
If you ever come in contact with any of these people, tell them what you think of them.
Givemeabreak

Honolulu, HI

#6 Aug 5, 2008
Breaking what law? NLRB would have cited HTH up and down town if they were in any violation. And on top of that NLRB would have forced HTH and ILWU to start bargaining. That hasn't happened. They simply cannot come to agreement. And to top it off, the union initiates a consumer boycott on the property they represent. What's up with that? It's not getting the owners to negotiate, all its doing is causing the loss of jobs and the employees are fed up with that tactic.
Westside Wind

Honolulu, HI

#7 Aug 5, 2008
Whatever the majority of the workers feel is in their best interest, key word "their" best interest not the unions.
Bottom line is having a job and getting fair wages and benefits.

Less they forget the tourist industry is going down the toilet and layoffs are a reality @ union hotels.
gimme a break

Honolulu, HI

#8 Aug 5, 2008
No aloha wrote:
What's most appalling is that this hotel is owned by local people, not by the usual swinish mainland bandits who bully and oppress their employees as if the plantation era never ended.
Chairman: Herbert T.(H.T.) Hayashi. President and CEO: Corine Hayashi. CFO: Lance Masatsugu.
If you ever come in contact with any of these people, tell them what you think of them.
I will: I will tell them they are heros for fighting corrupt unions that unlawfully coerce employees and take huge portions of their paychecks.
marketinginhawai i

Honolulu, HI

#9 Aug 5, 2008
Unions will RUIN Hawaii. As a buisness owner I know 1st hand how much more it costs to have a union on my premise vs. taking care of my employees in a caring and compassionate way.

In today's economy especially the hospitality business these people are lucky to have a job.

Ask the union bosses if any of them have taken a reduction in pay (most likely a raise) over the past few years.

They (uniion bosses) are nothing but money hungry thugs who look after their own fat wallets.
Matt in Aiea

Aiea, HI

#10 Aug 5, 2008
Westside Wind wrote:
Whatever the majority of the workers feel is in their best interest, key word "their" best interest not the unions.
Bottom line is having a job and getting fair wages and benefits.
Less they forget the tourist industry is going down the toilet and layoffs are a reality @ union hotels.
Fair? The hotel is by far the lowest paying hotel in Waikiki. One person I know that worked at Pac Beach said no one got a raise in 10 years UNTIL the ILWU came in. Only certain "favored" employees got a raise in the last 10 years.
Businessman

Aiea, HI

#11 Aug 5, 2008
marketinginhawaii wrote:
Unions will RUIN Hawaii. As a buisness owner I know 1st hand how much more it costs to have a union on my premise vs. taking care of my employees in a caring and compassionate way.
In today's economy especially the hospitality business these people are lucky to have a job.
Ask the union bosses if any of them have taken a reduction in pay (most likely a raise) over the past few years.
They (uniion bosses) are nothing but money hungry thugs who look after their own fat wallets.
Unions have BUILT a decent standard of living for people every place where there are unions. Note that communist Russia, China, and warlord dominated regions of Africa and the Middle East have no unions as we know them. I hate to say it but unions are the only thing that keeps a good standard of living for blue collar people.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#12 Aug 5, 2008
Matt is right. Pacific Beach is a loser. It ought to shut down in this bad environment.
Too busy for a break

Aiea, HI

#13 Aug 5, 2008
gimme a break wrote:
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I will: I will tell them they are heros for fighting corrupt unions that unlawfully coerce employees and take huge portions of their paychecks.
The management is the one unlawfully threatening and intimidating employees. It is only Republican politicians and their who allow such behavior and "selective" enforcement of the law. It is shameful and embarassing.
Westside Wind

Honolulu, HI

#14 Aug 5, 2008
Matt in Aiea wrote:
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Fair? The hotel is by far the lowest paying hotel in Waikiki. One person I know that worked at Pac Beach said no one got a raise in 10 years UNTIL the ILWU came in. Only certain "favored" employees got a raise in the last 10 years.
Matt I respect your point of view.
All I'm saying is the people have the right to find another job if they are not happy. They can also join the other hotel unions.
An employer has the right to do whatever required to make a profit.
I'm sure during the interview process, a wage was offered and accepted by each employee.
If it was too low they shouldn't have accepted the job.
It's a really tough business especially when it's you guys against us guys mentality.
Hope it works for both sides.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#15 Aug 5, 2008
Close Pacific Beach hotel down..no need for this hotel in the economic collapse brought on by Bush and Lingle.
reality check

Aiea, HI

#16 Aug 5, 2008
Westside Wind wrote:
Whatever the majority of the workers feel is in their best interest, key word "their" best interest not the unions.
Bottom line is having a job and getting fair wages and benefits.
Less they forget the tourist industry is going down the toilet and layoffs are a reality @ union hotels.
HOW the lawoff is conducted is what matters! If you ever had to face a layoff situation in a hotel you would feel better knowing that a straight forward system is used (usually by job seniority) and enforced by your labor union. You can go to another department if you have enough seniority and can do the job. If not, you usually get a nice severance check that increases for every year of service. The union can also make the company PROVE that a layoff is necessary and force them to OPEN THE BOOKS. Also, my union contract says that if they rehire within 12 months they have to call back those who were laid off FIRST. Sounds good, right?
spamworld

Honolulu, HI

#17 Aug 5, 2008
marketinginhawaii wrote:
Unions will RUIN Hawaii. As a buisness owner I know 1st hand how much more it costs to have a union on my premise vs. taking care of my employees in a caring and compassionate way.
In today's economy especially the hospitality business these people are lucky to have a job.
Ask the union bosses if any of them have taken a reduction in pay (most likely a raise) over the past few years.
They (uniion bosses) are nothing but money hungry thugs who look after their own fat wallets.
You are exactly right!
If you take proper care of your employees, no need for a union. If you don't, well this is what happens.

On the other hand, you shouldn't make assumptions on other peoples wages without really finding out. Most union officials wages are made with member approval via some sort of membership action, most likely a convention of members.

Who really gets huge paychecks, union officials or corporate officers?
labor board watch

Aiea, HI

#18 Aug 5, 2008
Calebb wrote:
The hotel is acting legally, the union just doesn't like it. Too bad.
The hotel got cited many times over the last few years. The republican appointed judge said that the hotel violated the law many times but didn't take action against the hotel to correct the situation. What is that all about??? I guess this republican government is the best that can be BOUGHT. Seriously.
labor board watch

Aiea, HI

#19 Aug 5, 2008
Givemeabreak wrote:
Breaking what law? NLRB would have cited HTH up and down town if they were in any violation. And on top of that NLRB would have forced HTH and ILWU to start bargaining. That hasn't happened. They simply cannot come to agreement. And to top it off, the union initiates a consumer boycott on the property they represent. What's up with that? It's not getting the owners to negotiate, all its doing is causing the loss of jobs and the employees are fed up with that tactic.
The hotel has been cited numerous times over the last several years. But the republican appointed judge and labor board does nothing to penalize the hotel. Government is supposed to be fair and enforce the law, but not if it is led by republicans, I suppose.
labor board watch

Aiea, HI

#20 Aug 5, 2008
spamworld wrote:
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You are exactly right!
If you take proper care of your employees, no need for a union. If you don't, well this is what happens.
On the other hand, you shouldn't make assumptions on other peoples wages without really finding out. Most union officials wages are made with member approval via some sort of membership action, most likely a convention of members.
Who really gets huge paychecks, union officials or corporate officers?
Fact! Corporate officers make 500% to 1000% more than the union officers in their industry.

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