UPDATE: Suspect in Upland rape shot by police, then shoots himself

[Mike C]

Steven C1969 wrote:

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You know you realy drive the point home of what kind of kid Jordan was. Since he kept the company of people like you it is no wonder he was thought of as "loser or criminal".
Funny how you take these posts so personal that you are willing to commit a crime. It is about time you grow up.

Actually he is not willing to commit a crime. He is a coward who thinks people actually believe all his crap. He knows if he actually came outside his apartment that some 6 year old girl would kick his a$$ and steal his candy.

[concerned former local]

i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but... you guys have gotta stop making this about you, and macho bullshit. for those of you who cared about and loved jordan: imagine yourself having this argument or discussion at his funeral,... at his burial,... or even worse; in front of his grieving mother.
this isn't about what happened.
what happened, happened.
i'm sure that the cops had reason (maybe not justification, but, that was never brought to light) for what they did. i do believe they're here to protect, and serve. and until ANY of you are willing to put your life, your balls, and your family on the line like they do every day,... we can't fathom the ways, and the why's of their actions that day.
for you who want to criticize jordan, call him a rapist, defame him based on his ethnicity, his associations, his social status (based on his neighborhood, hometown, or the nature of his passing), or otherwise discredit him from having a right to live, win, lose, and love on this earth:

...stop.

it's needless, and selfish.
both of you.
it's selfish.
this isn't about you.

there are too many variables in this case that we'll NEVER know.
if you shake all the facts up, sift through what we know, what we don't know, and what we'll NEVER know, we still don't know enough.
besides, of course, what's been written in an article on the f***in' internet.

the bottom line is, that, through it all, a young man lost his life.
a girl, with whom he may have had relations with, is still alive.
unabused. without scars. but with a heavy heart.

if this young man meant anything to her, she gets to continue her life with the memory of having (possibly) her first love dead.

with as many of you who have opinions: how many of you can actually, genuinely, sympathize with her, or his family, because of personal experience?

you're all missing the point.

this isn't about you.
this is a tragedy.
we'll never know enough answers to formulate any legitimate judgment.

we ALL need to support the families of the fallen, and the remaining children in our communities to make sure that this NEVER happens again.

am i making sense?

[Steven C1969]

concerned former local wrote:

i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but... you guys have gotta stop making this about you, and macho ****. for those of you who cared about and loved jordan: imagine yourself having this argument or discussion at his funeral,... at his burial,... or even worse; in front of his grieving mother.
this isn't about what happened.
what happened, happened.
i'm sure that the cops had reason (maybe not justification, but, that was never brought to light) for what they did. i do believe they're here to protect, and serve. and until ANY of you are willing to put your life, your balls, and your family on the line like they do every day,... we can't fathom the ways, and the why's of their actions that day.
for you who want to criticize jordan, call him a rapist, defame him based on his ethnicity, his associations, his social status (based on his neighborhood, hometown, or the nature of his passing), or otherwise discredit him from having a right to live, win, lose, and love on this earth:
...stop.
it's needless, and selfish.
both of you.
it's selfish.
this isn't about you.
there are too many variables in this case that we'll NEVER know.
if you shake all the facts up, sift through what we know, what we don't know, and what we'll NEVER know, we still don't know enough.
besides, of course, what's been written in an article on the f***in' internet.
the bottom line is, that, through it all, a young man lost his life.
a girl, with whom he may have had relations with, is still alive.
unabused. without scars. but with a heavy heart.
if this young man meant anything to her, she gets to continue her life with the memory of having (possibly) her first love dead.
with as many of you who have opinions: how many of you can actually, genuinely, sympathize with her, or his family, because of personal experience?
you're all missing the point.
this isn't about you.
this is a tragedy.
we'll never know enough answers to formulate any legitimate judgment.
we ALL need to support the families of the fallen, and the remaining children in our communities to make sure that this NEVER happens again.
am i making sense?

No, you are not making sense. You actually contradict yourself.

You say the police may have had reason but not justification. A warrant requires reason and justification. They had a warrant.

You contradict yourself by saying we all do not know the facts, but yet assume the girl "with whom he may have had relations with, is still alive.
unabused. without scars. but with a heavy heart."

How do you know she is unabused? How do you know she has aheavy heart? How do you know he was her "first love"?

The only sense you make is that it isa tragedy for the families of both the victim and the suspect (Jordan).

[Mom]

jon fernandez wrote:

On second thoght, i suppose the cops have no reason to lie.

you have to be kidding. everything upland cops do is lie.

[concerned former local]

Steven C1969 wrote:

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No, you are not making sense. You actually contradict yourself.
You say the police may have had reason but not justification. A warrant requires reason and justification. They had a warrant.
You contradict yourself by saying we all do not know the facts, but yet assume the girl "with whom he may have had relations with, is still alive.
unabused. without scars. but with a heavy heart."
How do you know she is unabused? How do you know she has aheavy heart? How do you know he was her "first love"?
The only sense you make is that it isa tragedy for the families of both the victim and the suspect (Jordan).

of course i'm contradicting myself. because i don't know all of the facts. the same way no one else knows all of the facts.

that was the point.

everyone's taking a stand on one side or another based on an editorial that only states what's known, but doesn't fully give every detail.

the scenarios i presented were merely WHAT-IFS.
i don't "assume" anything, as, i too, don't know the full truth.

the ideas are, in no way, based on any knowledge (more or less) than any other posters have.

i'm just trying to remind everyone that there are more facts to this case that can solidify the arguments for both sides, but until they are known, what we do know is that there is a dead young man, and a young woman that may need more help than warring, opinionated commentators can give.

the point being: this is a tragedy. plain and simple.
let's not muddy the bloody waters until there are more facts.

i hope to never run into a "shoot-first-ask-question s-later" cop....

[Mike C]

concerned former local wrote:

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of course i'm contradicting myself. because i don't know all of the facts. the same way no one else knows all of the facts.
that was the point.
everyone's taking a stand on one side or another based on an editorial that only states what's known, but doesn't fully give every detail.
the scenarios i presented were merely WHAT-IFS.
i don't "assume" anything, as, i too, don't know the full truth.
the ideas are, in no way, based on any knowledge (more or less) than any other posters have.
i'm just trying to remind everyone that there are more facts to this case that can solidify the arguments for both sides, but until they are known, what we do know is that there is a dead young man, and a young woman that may need more help than warring, opinionated commentators can give.
the point being: this is a tragedy. plain and simple.
let's not muddy the bloody waters until there are more facts.
i hope to never run into a "shoot-first-ask-question s-later" cop....

No it is not a tragedy. He brought it on himself plain and simple. Good thing he died, now us taxpayers won't have to pay to support this scumbag.

[Local]

concerned former local wrote:

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i hope to never run into a "shoot-first-ask-question s-later" cop....

This is where you lose me...you make it sound like the police were somehow responsible for this. The cops did not kill this young man. He pulled a gun on THEM, they shot to protect themselves and protect anyone else in the house, as they are trained to do, but they did not aim for his head. He choose to then shoot himself in the head. This sad young man killed himself plain and simple. I am sure everyone wishes it had turned out differently. Tragic for all involved. But please don't make it sound like the cops went in guns a-blazing.

The sad truth is this young man's suicide has emotionally harmed many, many, people--and yes, that includes the police who have to live with the memory of seeing this tragedy happen right before their eyes. I pray for all involved--his family and friends, the young girl and her family, and the police--to find peace and comfort in Him.

[Steven C1969]

Local wrote:

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This is where you lose me...you make it sound like the police were somehow responsible for this. The cops did not kill this young man. He pulled a gun on THEM, they shot to protect themselves and protect anyone else in the house, as they are trained to do, but they did not aim for his head. He choose to then shoot himself in the head. This sad young man killed himself plain and simple. I am sure everyone wishes it had turned out differently. Tragic for all involved. But please don't make it sound like the cops went in guns a-blazing.
The sad truth is this young man's suicide has emotionally harmed many, many, people--and yes, that includes the police who have to live with the memory of seeing this tragedy happen right before their eyes. I pray for all involved--his family and friends, the young girl and her family, and the police--to find peace and comfort in Him.

Well said. Regardless of what many people think; an officer never wishes to have to shoot someone. The pain, grief, second guessing, accusations and implications can be overwhelming for many. I am sure the general public is not aware that law enforcement not only has the highest divorce rate but has the highest suicide rate of all professions.

[Steven C1969]

concerned former local wrote:

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of course i'm contradicting myself. because i don't know all of the facts. the same way no one else knows all of the facts.
that was the point.
everyone's taking a stand on one side or another based on an editorial that only states what's known, but doesn't fully give every detail.
the scenarios i presented were merely WHAT-IFS.
i don't "assume" anything, as, i too, don't know the full truth.
the ideas are, in no way, based on any knowledge (more or less) than any other posters have.
i'm just trying to remind everyone that there are more facts to this case that can solidify the arguments for both sides, but until they are known, what we do know is that there is a dead young man, and a young woman that may need more help than warring, opinionated commentators can give.
the point being: this is a tragedy. plain and simple.
let's not muddy the bloody waters until there are more facts.
i hope to never run into a "shoot-first-ask-question s-later" cop....

First of all, this was an news article not an "editorial".

Secondly, your first post does not present any "what-ifs" scenerio.

The onl valid point you make in your post is that you admit that you "contradict yourself".

[MiSS BEE]

HOW COULD SOME OF YOU PEOPLE BE SO MEAN ABOUT THiS. ESPECiALLY TALKiNG TO HiS FRiENDS. WE LOST A great FRiEND AND ALL YOU CAN DO iS TALK CRAP? ESPECiALLY THE ADULTS.
JORDAN WAS A GREAT GUY AND WOULDNT HURT A FLY. THAT GiRL iS HiDiNG SOMETHiNG AND SO ARE THE COPS AND MEDiA. i KNOW iT.

i LOVE YOU JORDAN. REST iN PEACE<3