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David Kirby: CDC to Study Vaccines and Autism

There are 26 comments on the The Huffington Post story from Mar 18, 2011, titled David Kirby: CDC to Study Vaccines and Autism. In it, The Huffington Post reports that:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention wants to study autism as a possible clinical outcome of immunization, as part of its newly adopted 5-year research agenda for vaccine safety, the agency said on its website.

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Raymond

Longueuil, Canada

#1 Mar 18, 2011
Just amazing!!!

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#2 Mar 19, 2011
Raymond wrote:
Just amazing!!!
Now if it is only run by an independent non bias lab.
And the Big pharma co.s only put in info that is asked for.
Maybe then we can get to the bottom of this mess and find out just what does cause autism.
But I don't think it will, there is too much money at stake for the drug co.s, and they will spend a lot of money to make sure one of their labs does the study , so that the out come will be in what they want them to be.
Have a nice day

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#3 Mar 22, 2011
Raymond wrote:
Just amazing!!!
But according to FRIEND there has been a study done in GERMANY that showed that vaccines didn't cause autism.
And that study has to be true because it wasn't done in the U.S. where it may be accused of "pharma tinkering."
I guess big pharma money is only good in the U.S. and NO Doctors or labs outside the U.S. could ever be bought by millions of dollars from the drug co.s
As I have said I hope these studies being done in the U.S. can be done by unbiased independent labs. and that the BIG PHARMA COs have nothing to do with them and only give these labs just the info they ask for.
And if it is found out that these studies have been influenced by any outside entity that entity should be fined.
Have a nice day
John Fryer Chemist

Guérande, France

#4 Mar 24, 2011
Studies have been done that show a strong link of mercury vaccines to autism and published and paid for by the CDC.

The Verstraeten Pediatrics paper for example shows a ten fold link hidden by diluting the amount of mercury and expressing the result as 16 per cent.

Why is it that mercury was removed? Simply because of this and other proofs of harm.

Thimerosal is teratogenic and automatically should not be in any vaccine whatever the age although harm to adults is impossible to prove when harm to infants is so easily denied.
NObamaram

Macungie, PA

#5 Mar 24, 2011
Is this the paper you are talking about:

Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: A Two-Phased Study of Computerized Health Maintenance Organization Databases by Thomas Verstraeten, MD, Robert L. Davis, MD, MPH, Frank DeStefano, MD, MPH, Tracy A. Lieu, MD, MPH, Philip H. Rhodes, PhD, Steven B. Black, MD, Henry Shinefield, MD, Robert T. Chen, MD. Conclusion = No consistent significant associations were found between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes. Nice attempt at distorting the truth.

Thimerosal has been removed from pediatric vaccines and yet no impact on autism rates...hmmmm, kills your theory doesn't it. Try these papers on for size, but you anti-vaccine money grubbing conspiracy theorists deny the truth:

Thimerosal and the occurrence of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data. Madsen KM, Lauritsen MB, Pedersen CB, Thorsen P, Plesner AM, Andersen PH, Mortensen PB.

CONCLUSIONS: The discontinuation of thimerosal-containing vaccines in Denmark in 1992 was followed by an increase in the incidence of autism. Our ecological data do not support a correlation between thimerosal-containing vaccines and the incidence of autism.

Vaccines and autism: evidence does not support a causal association. DeStefano F.

Association between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism.
Hviid A, Stellfeld M, Wohlfahrt J, Melbye M.

CONCLUSION: The results do not support a causal relationship between childhood vaccination with thimerosal-containing vaccines and development of autistic-spectrum disorders.

Autism and thimerosal-containing vaccines: lack of consistent evidence for an association.
Stehr-Green P, Tull P, Stellfeld M, Mortenson PB, Simpson D.

CONCLUSIONS: The body of existing data, including the ecologic data presented herein, is not consistent with the hypothesis that increased exposure to Thimerosal-containing vaccines is responsible for the apparent increase in the rates of autism in young children being observed worldwide.

Let's see the definitive proof that thimerosal is a teratogen. Cite some research instead of providing your biased and uniformed assertions.
John Fryer Chemist wrote:
Studies have been done that show a strong link of mercury vaccines to autism and published and paid for by the CDC.
The Verstraeten Pediatrics paper for example shows a ten fold link hidden by diluting the amount of mercury and expressing the result as 16 per cent.
Why is it that mercury was removed? Simply because of this and other proofs of harm.
Thimerosal is teratogenic and automatically should not be in any vaccine whatever the age although harm to adults is impossible to prove when harm to infants is so easily denied.
Mike

Canada

#6 Mar 25, 2011
NObamaram,

I agree with you that thimerosol is not causing autism. Autism rates have continued to spike (I'm assuming you don't believe they have increased, but that's another story) even when thimerosol was removed.

However, thimerosol is associated with motor and phonic tics in boys. See page 30. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/ISO-F...

Thimerosol is not something you want to be injecting a newboard with.
Mike

Canada

#7 Mar 25, 2011
err.... newborn I meant to say.
FBOMBER

Canada

#8 Apr 5, 2011
NObamaram is one of those unable to look at this objectively and without emotion. Goes on the warpath and takes his own opinion and experience too seriously. The type that would work as a spokesman for Pharma and be able to say "we don't have any idea what causes autism, but its not vaccines". No exactly Socrates is he. Logically if you have NO IDEA then nothing can be definitive as to cause, and nothing can be left out.
John Fryer Chemist

Saint-mélaine-sur-aubance, France

#9 Apr 6, 2011
The Verstraeten paper if you look shows major concern in two places.

The amount of autism goes up in a dose related fashion and 12 micrograms increases the autism by 16 per cent.

If you look at dosage of nearly 300 micrograms and do the calculations you will see this 16 per cent actually covers up a ten fold dose related link of thimerosal to autism.

THIS IS FRAUD to hide this link.

As to thimerosal being teratogenic, I believe this is a property of many many compoundssuch that for organomercury compounds it is virtually standard.

Lots of research done and as the above shows you can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Alot of government research from the UK and USA is a test bed on how to use propaganda to cover up bad news.

While USA babies are spared much mercury the companies still churn out 70 per cent of the output with this stuff and assume that today its not good for the UK or USA baby but just fine for the undernourished, no clean water but take the mercury vaccines as this is the unviersal cure all for them.

It is bad to admit mercury is not good for babies but to cynically still produce and use it on the less healthy babes is a crime to me.
John Fryer Chemist

Saint-mélaine-sur-aubance, France

#10 Apr 6, 2011
Denmark has the lowest rate of autism in the western world.
Comparing autism at rates of 50 years ago with those today in the UK and USA is not good science.
We need to follow the Denmark system of vaccines andhope for a tenfold reduction in autism to the Denmark levels.
One Danish researcher is reputed to have cooked his results and pocketed the money.
Not a good way to do research. It would be good to hear his side of this story but he is reputed to be living in the CDC town in USA and not in Denmark.
I find this rather an odd fact.

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#11 Apr 6, 2011
Poul Thorsen is not the first author for that study or the other study. He is not the last author, either. As it turns out, Thorsen is safely in the middle of the pack of co-authors and for anyone who knows about studies, where their name is matters so of course Thorsen was not the primary to the MMR study so he did not tamper with results nor could he had. That title belongs to Wakefield. Is Poul Thorsen in jail, do you know? Just where has he been for all this time? There hasn't been a day in court, only Wakefield hold's that title too. So anything as of yet is not fact but speculation.

As for AoA, they can’t even figure out that the Dutch aren’t Danish. AoA has mentioned in a recent article which of course which they don't offer the sourced link. Go check out DDPT yourself.

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#12 Apr 6, 2011
Oh and by the way, DDPT isn't a vaccine, it's an agency.
FBOMBER

Flin Flon, Canada

#13 Apr 6, 2011
This type of news is what i live for. If the CDC is serious, its huge. At the moment, I don't trust this agency. As Dr Phill says, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and I buy that. For those of you who haven't read about the Generation Rescue phone survey results for parts of California and Oregon, which showed a definite trend of autism and ADHD, etc, go to this site to read about it. http://www.reorbit.com/news/health/981048/vac
Raymond

Lévis, Canada

#14 Apr 6, 2011
I would never put any trust on CDC.

They have over looked autism vaccine link so far. Let them continue on this path. In another 10 years, one out of every 20 kid would be autistic. Only then they would be brought back and charged with mass murder. Almost like Hitler.

Just look at their vaccine contracts given prior to establishment of maufacturer safety record. Another reason why all these soldiers coming back with health problems. Untested unsafe vaccines given blindly with false promise of protection.

Ofcourse that serves them well, majority protection. So even 1 screwed out of 10 suits their ideology.

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#15 Apr 6, 2011
friend wrote:
Poul Thorsen is not the first author for that study or the other study. He is not the last author, either. As it turns out, Thorsen is safely in the middle of the pack of co-authors and for anyone who knows about studies, where their name is matters so of course Thorsen was not the primary to the MMR study so he did not tamper with results nor could he had. That title belongs to Wakefield. Is Poul Thorsen in jail, do you know? Just where has he been for all this time? There hasn't been a day in court, only Wakefield hold's that title too. So anything as of yet is not fact but speculation.
As for AoA, they can’t even figure out that the Dutch aren’t Danish. AoA has mentioned in a recent article which of course which they don't offer the sourced link. Go check out DDPT yourself.
Friend I have to ask in what article does AOA even mention the Dutch?
In fact I have to ask in what one of the last 65 articles on AOA is the word DUTCH at?
Don't tell me to go do some research, or go read them because I already have.
For the last 5 hours I have read all the articles and all the comments and the word DUTCH isn't there.
It isn't even in the article from march 24th
" Danes charge CDC-linked Autism researcher Thorsen with tax evasion"
And seeing you have made an accusation that " As for AoA, They can't even figure out that the Dutch aren't Danish" AoA has mentioned in a recent article which of course which they don't offer the sourced link" I believe we should be told where you have read anything on the Dutch.
They mention the Danish, Denmark, but not the Dutch.
So will you tell us where this is at so we all can read it and be on the same page.
Thank you and have a good night

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#16 Apr 6, 2011
Raymond wrote:
I would never put any trust on CDC.
They have over looked autism vaccine link so far. Let them continue on this path. In another 10 years, one out of every 20 kid would be autistic. Only then they would be brought back and charged with mass murder. Almost like Hitler.
Just look at their vaccine contracts given prior to establishment of maufacturer safety record. Another reason why all these soldiers coming back with health problems. Untested unsafe vaccines given blindly with false promise of protection.
Ofcourse that serves them well, majority protection. So even 1 screwed out of 10 suits their ideology.
Raymond how can anybody trust the CDC seeing they rely on info from the Drug COs, and Doctors that have invented these drugs and will make money from the sale of them.
And now that they can't be taken to court and held responcible for making drugs that are unsafe they don't care what they tell the CDC as long as the CDC says it is o.k. for them to sell their drugs and vaccines and make billions.
It is time that we the people demand that congress do something to change this and make the CDC protect the people and not the Big drug Cos.
Have a nice night

Since: Jan 07

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#17 Apr 6, 2011
Why would I do that when AoA doesn't? Go ask them to site their sources. Of the importance of the accusations against Thorsen come on, no mention of that but are you really going to squable over Dutch and Danish? You actually wasted 5 hours on it?
Classic.
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>Friend I have to ask in what article does AOA even mention the Dutch?
In fact I have to ask in what one of the last 65 articles on AOA is the word DUTCH at?
Don't tell me to go do some research, or go read them because I already have.
For the last 5 hours I have read all the articles and all the comments and the word DUTCH isn't there.
It isn't even in the article from march 24th
" Danes charge CDC-linked Autism researcher Thorsen with tax evasion"
And seeing you have made an accusation that " As for AoA, They can't even figure out that the Dutch aren't Danish" AoA has mentioned in a recent article which of course which they don't offer the sourced link" I believe we should be told where you have read anything on the Dutch.
They mention the Danish, Denmark, but not the Dutch.
So will you tell us where this is at so we all can read it and be on the same page.
Thank you and have a good night
FBOMBER

Flin Flon, Canada

#18 Apr 6, 2011
tbird ignore the Troll (friend) Don't waste time interacting with this dud.

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#19 Apr 6, 2011
friend wrote:
Why would I do that when AoA doesn't? Go ask them to site their sources. Of the importance of the accusations against Thorsen come on, no mention of that but are you really going to squable over Dutch and Danish? You actually wasted 5 hours on it?
Classic.
<quoted text>
I like to read the articles, and I think the Dutch and the Danish might " squable" over it.
Seeing the Dutch are from Netherlands and the Danish are from Denmark.
I didn't think you could come up with facts to back up your accsations.
And maybe you should read some of those articles they were very interesting.
Have a good night

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#20 Apr 7, 2011
FBOMBER wrote:
tbird ignore the Troll (friend) Don't waste time interacting with this dud.
My my, you're demanding and a dictator too, this coming from the person flooding over 60 topics some going back a looooong time ago, all with the sole purpose to interact with me. Obviously this is your play ground, every topic is one-sided and everyone else should stay out.

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