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Indians taking away American jobs is a myth

There are 60 comments on the Mydigitalfc.com story from Mar 22, 2010, titled Indians taking away American jobs is a myth. In it, Mydigitalfc.com reports that:

There is an incorrect perception in the US that Indians are taking away the jobs of Americans, which is driven more by the fast-paced growth India in the IT and services sectors, Sharma told newsmen.

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pdx

Beaverton, OR

#1 Mar 22, 2010
Incorrect perception? I know many Americans are more than willing to take those call center jobs but those jobs aren't there anymore.

The rationale behind the theory that outsourcing doesn't eliminate US job is based ona fragile assumption that the oursourcing of those lower-level jobs will free up American labor to engage in something with higher productivity. Unfortunately, recession is not the time that people can find those jobs with high productivity. The classic economics theory suggests that the nation will need a reserve of unemployed people to fill in the jobs during the boom. Here I suggest that a nation should have a reserve of low-productivity jobs so people can at least find work during the recession.
JDEPP

Phoenix, AZ

#2 Apr 4, 2010
The Indians started to arrive prior to Y2K - when they didn't know much of anything, but they have certainly progressed. American CEOs wanted to save money by outsourcing programmers, to justify their huge bonuses. Now Indians are also taking over executive management positions, and using their clout to extend more work to off-shore outsourcing behemoths. The new catch phrase 'right-sourcing', is code for 'if I can't bring the jobs to India, I'll come here and take them'. The Indians are good students of corporate bs, they sound good but aren't very efficient - they had good mentors in their American management counterparts. The American IT industry is at least 50% owned by Indians at this point, and that percentage is growing rapidly. Greedy American upper management has only itself to blame, and countries like India and China are siphoning corporate wealth. Perhaps this is justfiable payback for centuries of European and American economic exploitation of those and other countries, but in any event, the American Empire is about to collapse.
your right payback

United States

#3 Aug 14, 2010
Perhaps this is justfiable payback for centuries of European and American economic exploitation of those and other countries, but in any event, the American Empire is about to collapse.
Kind of like all Americans complaining about Mexicans and latins immigrating and they only want to speak, read spanish,be on welfare and have avoided paying U.S, tax. But did the Europeans Pilgrims bothered to learn the native Indian language or assimilate into native Indian culture? No!!
Did they go back to their european countries? No!! Did the Ellis Island Italian , Irish , Greeks ,Jews go back to their country? No! But everybody thinks this is there country.
What a mess, every things screwed up and nobody has jobs to pay U.S. taxes cause jobs are only given to people that know how to avoid paying U.S. taxes.
Karma is truly a bitch!
James

Sunderland, UK

#4 May 5, 2011
Around the world, UK, Australia, Canada, countries that allowed immigration from India, then family reunification are finding that the Indians, particularly the extended family, are merely exporting slums, crime and a work shy ethos. People keep saying the USA is a country of immigrants. Yes. But not Indian immigrants. They were people who took a chance on a new, unsettled wilderness. Indians do not take chances. They move in to take advantage of laws, infrastructure and the general gullibility of the West. Any country that has allowed these people to come in the numbers that they slime their way around the world will eventually regret being taken in by the first few. Yep, they sound genuine, good educations, work ethic, references etc. But if this is the case, why is India such a basket case. Why cant they fix India. It is probably the worlds largest beggar, slum country with corruption everywhere. We are importing this. We allow the H visas which Indians immediately take action to convert to Green Cards, we allow them to overstay, immigrate illegaly, put Americans out of work. Why? These are pencil pushing no brainers who got their degrees (in the few cases that they earned them) by repeating parrot fashion their lectures on exams. They have little original thought, little real work ethic and absolutely no social or community conscience. They will colonize the USA, and dont expect them to help you. India is one of the hardest places in the world to emigrate to, they dont want you, why on earth do we let them pull the wool over our eyes with cries of racism. We are mugs and in the end they will drag down the USA.
Prasad

Pune, India

#5 May 18, 2011
James wrote:
Around the world, UK, Australia, Canada, countries that allowed immigration from India, then family reunification are finding that the Indians, particularly the extended family, are merely exporting slums, crime and a work shy ethos. People keep saying the USA is a country of immigrants. Yes. But not Indian immigrants. They were people who took a chance on a new, unsettled wilderness. Indians do not take chances. They move in to take advantage of laws, infrastructure and the general gullibility of the West. Any country that has allowed these people to come in the numbers that they slime their way around the world will eventually regret being taken in by the first few. Yep, they sound genuine, good educations, work ethic, references etc. But if this is the case, why is India such a basket case. Why cant they fix India. It is probably the worlds largest beggar, slum country with corruption everywhere. We are importing this. We allow the H visas which Indians immediately take action to convert to Green Cards, we allow them to overstay, immigrate illegaly, put Americans out of work. Why? These are pencil pushing no brainers who got their degrees (in the few cases that they earned them) by repeating parrot fashion their lectures on exams. They have little original thought, little real work ethic and absolutely no social or community conscience. They will colonize the USA, and dont expect them to help you. India is one of the hardest places in the world to emigrate to, they dont want you, why on earth do we let them pull the wool over our eyes with cries of racism. We are mugs and in the end they will drag down the USA.
I would not disagree with you even if I am Indian. Most Indians 'sound' genuine but they are not. If you see any Indian he is most likely to be corrupt. They are opportunists and selfish people. Of course there are exceptions but it is very highly unlikely to meet such exceptions. They sound friendly but it is all deceptive. All they want it their success and money. They can go to any level for that even cheating their own men is okay if it means personal gain. Most of those who have migrated overseas have cheated their coworkers to get overseas position in some way or other. Everything seems unfair. Thanks.
Jim

Green Bay, WI

#6 Mar 3, 2012
Our Corporate Management is doing a good job sending IT related jobs oversees and US Govt has a equal part of destroying IT related jobs. Why give huge discounts to companies for sending jobs oversees?
Indians are not efficient folks, it is all engraved in their culture. If us developer can do a job in one hour it takes Indian 3-4 hours and lot of hand holding, Indians don't take the lead on resolving issues they are followers and that is their draw back.They are definately people person because of the cast system in India. Hopefully our Govt will close loopholes so foreign govt's cannot take advantage of Jobs here..
SPOTSOTW

Spring Valley, NY

#7 Apr 3, 2012
IF YOU DON'T THINK INDIANS ARE TAKING OVER IT JOBS, 1 YOU HAVE TO BE IN IT TO KNOW, 2 JUST LOOK ON FACE BOOK AND SEE WHO THE MAJORITY OF RECRUITERS ARE INDIAN. I WAS OUTSOURCED IN MID 2001, AND AGAIN IN BEGINNING OF 2009. YOU WANT TO SEE HOW MANY INDIANS ARE WORKING HERE NOT ONLY OUTSOURCED GO TO FREDDIE MAC, I WAS AT A MEETING THERE WITH AT LEAST 25 PEOPLE I AND 1 WHITE WOMAN WERE THE ONLY WHITE PEOPLE THERE, THE REST INDIANS. I WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY IN INCOME TAXES IS LOST TO THE OUTSOURCING OVER THE INTERNET. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A FED LAW THAT A COMPANY MUST PROVE THEY CANNOT FIND THE IT PEOPLE HERE IN THE USA BEFORE THEY WENT OVERSEAS WHAT A CROC OF CRAP.
Manish Kumar

Mumbai, India

#8 Apr 27, 2012
Hi Sir / Madam
My self Manish kumar . I am 12 standard commerce pass. I like work from amierca . i am intersted work for america . i have 0-1 years experice in typing . you given me work every work . i am engry every work
i have many quility for me. i have good communication skills. i am best my work .if you given me one chance . and i given mh best abouvitly. Thamks Sir / Madam
ddd

Redmond, WA

#9 Apr 30, 2012
cmon
ddd

Redmond, WA

#10 May 1, 2012
I’m against any extreme, whether it’s white or black people, Chinese or Vietnamese etc. Everything should be in moderation and it is not in IT world especially if you live in WA. Every day I get calls from recruiters from all over the country with an Indian accent, my problem is that most of the time they don’t know what they are talking about. They think if u r in IT u got all the skills, you might be an IT tech and they offer u a job for a developer without reading a resume. Then they never get back to you about the status, very unprofessional. The rate they offer is way less than some US recruiting companies do, I had a chance to check on that couple of times.
Now the cultural aspect of it, if u r an Indian I hope you’ll only learn from it even though it sound offensive. When you share office with them it’s horrible, they always smell bad, and then they always cook their food and eat in the office so the whole office stinks with their food. Is it a must to eat with your mouth open and make a sound that can be heard at the end of the hallway? Do u just had to burp? Women feels like never comb their hair, what happen to beautiful Indian women from Indian movies. It is unpleasant working with them.
Finally believe it or not there is a corruption within IT industry, most of the time Indians trying to hire their own. No this is not just my thoughts because I do know this from the inside but you cant do anything about it, its not like it’s Govr. Agency where you can complain.
Media brain washed us not to speak up, everything is wrong, people dressed different u look at them Wow u got a problem, people fart in public be quite it is offensive to say something. Walking on the street don’t look at no one eyes, it means u r challenging them. What a close society. My point is when people move to US they should adapt to our standards, do whatever you want at home but when in public dress like westerners, don’t stink, don’t burp have manners.
Indian Techie

Stamford, CT

#11 May 3, 2012
It is really interesting to see how some of you think, but I will not judge you guys, because I am hold myself to a higher ethical and moral code. It's funny how one of the commenters feels that europeans coming to US is different from Indians coming to US. Apparently it is "new, unsettled wilderness"..(wonder where the native indians were?.. on moon).

Funny, that one of the commentators above from UK has said "They will colonize the USA", seriously?? Thats what you British do, not Indians. Look at your history of atrocities, how many countries you spoiled, and how much wealth you plundered. And it was you British who made us into a english speaking, "pencil pushing no brainers" for your clerical work while you colonized the shit out of us... And you are complaining now? I thought you liked us that way!

I understand the sentiment of those whose jobs are being replaced by Indians and those who are out of work. But what you need to understand is that this is the outcome of your own ideology (capitalism). I have tremendous amount of respect for this country for the fact that anyone with hope and dream can come here, work hard and make it big in life. If you consider yourself American (not by birth, but by spirit), then get up and compete.

And coming to the etiquettes and manners, its not really wise to generalize a whole country, give them sometime to change, and one or two generations down the lane, they would be no different from you.
unknown

Plano, TX

#12 Jul 20, 2012
How can the US have 15% real unemployment and justify importing workers from India?
Sam

Trichy, India

#13 Jul 25, 2012
I agree with the fact that when unemployment exists in a country, outsourcing jobs is plain unfair to the people of that country. However, the crux of the matter is the availability of options. Organisations will first think about 'How do i get this job done at the cheapest price?' and NOT 'How do I create more jobs and help my fellow countrymen financially?'

In the end, its a question of employers' decision to cut cost and increase profits by taking advantage of a country's people in whose economy, are paid one fourth of the amount that an American is paid for the same job. Why blame the individual when the power to prioritize lies in the hands of the Employer/Company?

Its simply a case of Profits Vs. Social Responsibility to Country. And I think we all know the answer to that.

I think its baseless to feel resentment against one community for taking up better paying jobs that they are being offered be it Indian/Chinese/whomever. There will be Supply only when there is Demand.

Rather than say 'An Indian took my job', it makes more sense to say 'My Employer gave my job to someone who does my job at a cheaper rate'.

If anything, the employers must get their priorities straight.
indianguy

Scarborough, Canada

#14 Jul 31, 2012
pdx wrote:
Incorrect perception? I know many Americans are more than willing to take those call center jobs but those jobs aren't there anymore.
The rationale behind the theory that outsourcing doesn't eliminate US job is based ona fragile assumption that the oursourcing of those lower-level jobs will free up American labor to engage in something with higher productivity. Unfortunately, recession is not the time that people can find those jobs with high productivity. The classic economics theory suggests that the nation will need a reserve of unemployed people to fill in the jobs during the boom. Here I suggest that a nation should have a reserve of low-productivity jobs so people can at least find work during the recession.
according to Forbes an NYTimes Indians are the wealthiest and most educated Immigrants in the United States.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobby-jindal ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/world/ameri ...

-In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.
-About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.
SEAN

Hyderabad, India

#15 Aug 11, 2012
James wrote:
Around the world, UK, Australia, Canada, countries that allowed immigration from India, then family reunification are finding that the Indians, particularly the extended family, are merely exporting slums, crime and a work shy ethos. People keep saying the USA is a country of immigrants. Yes. But not Indian immigrants. They were people who took a chance on a new, unsettled wilderness. Indians do not take chances. They move in to take advantage of laws, infrastructure and the general gullibility of the West. Any country that has allowed these people to come in the numbers that they slime their way around the world will eventually regret being taken in by the first few. Yep, they sound genuine, good educations, work ethic, references etc. But if this is the case, why is India such a basket case. Why cant they fix India. It is probably the worlds largest beggar, slum country with corruption everywhere. We are importing this. We allow the H visas which Indians immediately take action to convert to Green Cards, we allow them to overstay, immigrate illegaly, put Americans out of work. Why? These are pencil pushing no brainers who got their degrees (in the few cases that they earned them) by repeating parrot fashion their lectures on exams. They have little original thought, little real work ethic and absolutely no social or community conscience. They will colonize the USA, and dont expect them to help you. India is one of the hardest places in the world to emigrate to, they dont want you, why on earth do we let them pull the wool over our eyes with cries of racism. We are mugs and in the end they will drag down the USA.
Ya! why is India such a basket case. Why cant they fix India. It is probably the worlds largest beggar, slum country with corruption everywhere.
1.Indian Politicians are selfish and they are the back biters and would sell to "xyzzy" for fistful of DOLLARS!FROM WHERE DO YOU EXPECT INDIA TO DEVELOP??"
2.WORST PART IS INDIAN GOVT.IS DRIVEN BY "RELIGION","CAS TE"..
3.I AM NOT MISTAKING BRITISH HERE,THEY MADE THIS CASTE SYSTEM WHICH WAS FURIOUSLY MISLED BY "INDIAN POLITICIANS".
4.IF YOU SEE THE INDIANS WHO ARE COMING HERE, BELONGS TO THAT COMMUNITY WHERE RESERVATION IS NOT LETTING THEM TO GET THEIR DESIRED JOBS.
5.NEVER EXPECT INDIA TO DEVELOP AND NEVER EXPECT THEM TO LEAVE OUR COUNTRY.THIS IS DUE TO BILATERAL TIES AMONG TWO COUNTRIES!
GOD BLESS AMERICA
barry Withmore

Exeter, NH

#16 Aug 13, 2012
You are totally wrong Mitt. All of the Software Engineering jobs are going to India. You are totally lying to get elected. I have seen this first hand. I hope you can live with yourself. A lot of people totally HATE you. You are a lier because you have done this before yourself many times. You are doing it yourself and helping others to get cheap labor. THE REAL JOB PROBLEM IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU SENDING OUR JOBS OVERSEAS OR SENDING THEM HERE TO FILL OUR JOBS HERE. You are raping the middle and poor classes. Just remember a lot of people hate you. You republicans should be very very carefull because we "the middeclass" aren't going to put up with this forever! We have gone to war over these things before and we will again if we have too because this is our country which is not for people like you. GOOD LUCK IN THE AFTER LIFE!
wfc

Long Branch, NJ

#17 Aug 19, 2012
Well, let us face it. Indians are to Information Technology what Mexicans are to Landscaping and Kitchen help. They are cheap and abundant. I've been an IT worker since the late seventies. Way back then IT workers were treated treated like professionals. Programming required creativity and logic. The servers were huge and complicated but they could be relied upon to perform at very high levels. Vendors such as IBM, HP, DEC, Burroughs, Control Data and others all provided servers that performed well and provided healthy competition.
Software was also developed at very high levels of performance. After all, this was the same generation of programmers that sent men to the moon and more importantly brought them back to earth requiring incredible precision and flawless design.
Around the same time (sixties), the huge corporations and their research think tanks began to project that the demand for high tech workers in the Western world would continue to place upward pressure on wages and compensation. The US and European programmers and computer engineers were enjoying ever increasing raises in compensation while also being regarded as valued professionals. This is in sharp contrast to the frenzied behavior that occurred during the mid to late nineties when companies were throwing gobs of money at anything with a pulse to "fix" the y2k "disaster". We all know how that went: anyone with the ability to walk on two feet were encouraged to come to America and get an IT job. The IT "professional" was quickly devalued to a "drone" churning out garbage software that was fraught with bugs and problems. Companies leveraged themselves to the hilt to upgrade and retrofit all of the systems to prevent a calamity on 2000. This binge hiring and spending was quickly followed by the crashing of the "Tech Bubble".
But I got ahead of myself. Back to the early sixties. So to prevent the salaries of American and European programmers and software engineers from continuing to rise levels of other business professionals Western governments (at the prodding of large corporate interests) provided the necessary capital to fund the Indian technology schools. These schools would pump out millions of programmers able to flood the labor pool. All that was needed was the right immigration policy. That was achieved with Ron Reagan. In the eighties half the growth in labor force was due to immigration as the opposed to the seventies when only an eighth of the growth in labor force was due to immigration.
In the eighties immigration accounted for just about forty percent of the general population growth. This is also when I started noticing more and more Indians appearing in the work place.
Of course, I don't have to remind everyone of what happened next. Quality of software plummeted. A new word began to dominate the technical jargon: software bug. Computer programming disappeared to be replaced by "drag and drop" coding practices that lowered the required skill level to the lowest common denominator (Indian level). And Programmers were no longer considered professionals. Instead we were considered commodities. The influx of cheap Indian workers drove down salaries and relegated the workforce to second class treatment. We were now in Information Technology instead of Management Information Sciences. I don't know about you, but I like the sound of the latter.
So now we are expected to work (if we are lucky to still have a job in this field) like a drone fixing software bugs late into the night without compensation or respect.
Oh well. All I can say is I'm glad I'm on my way out. For those Americans starting out: don't!
Find another field. Just as landscaping has become cutting grass and over-mulching gardens by the Mexicans, computer programming has become a endless cycle of applying fixes and patches to code written in Bangalore.
One bit of irony: a former Indian colleague was said he wouldn't let his child work in IT (lol).
Calij

Long Beach, CA

#18 Aug 21, 2012
Interesting reading this. My parents are from India and I am very close to the culture. I must admit though, I am truly fed up with the immigrants from India in the IT industry. Almost every recruiting firm which is Indian owned, has no clue of the US/Western business ethics. After 15 years invested into IT, I've had to change my career only because I no longer had the patience to do business through the recruiting firms/implementation partners owned by Indians. In my experience they lack of respect for the western world and our business practices.
sidharth

Anantapur, India

#19 Sep 6, 2012
I will try to explain it.Generally From childhood most Indians dream about America as heaven on earth.
In India If some one from family goes to America that family will be proud of him.other relatives to that family give great respect.So every adult indian want to come America or Europe atleast once and settle there become rich So we have a great life(Infrastructure,Luxuries). That is the only reason Indians come to US not for the love of IT.We see IT as only way to enter America and settle so thats why many prefer IT because We can settle in america or europe.IF India currency reaches to same level as US dollar no one will join IT.They just came and settle there.But many people in India treat Americans with great respect.Its Pity Indians they dont want to take your job so you have to suffer.they just want to make their lifes better by working hard.What to do India is Golden Bird at ancient Times all Britishers took our wealth(Such a dirty mind)Because of stealing our wealth your Currency value is high. In Character and behaviour Britishers cant equal Indians.
Wakjob

Gilbert, AZ

#20 Dec 19, 2012
sidharth wrote:
I will try to explain it.Generally From childhood most Indians dream about America as heaven on earth.
In India If some one from family goes to America that family will be proud of him.other relatives to that family give great respect.So every adult indian want to come America or Europe atleast once and settle there become rich So we have a great life(Infrastructure,Luxuries). That is the only reason Indians come to US not for the love of IT.We see IT as only way to enter America and settle so thats why many prefer IT because We can settle in america or europe.IF India currency reaches to same level as US dollar no one will join IT.They just came and settle there.But many people in India treat Americans with great respect.Its Pity Indians they dont want to take your job so you have to suffer.they just want to make their lifes better by working hard.What to do India is Golden Bird at ancient Times all Britishers took our wealth(Such a dirty mind)Because of stealing our wealth your Currency value is high. In Character and behaviour Britishers cant equal Indians.
If you can't make India work what makes you think you are good enough to keep America going? You people have caused the biggest economic disaster in America in 70 years. You WANT WANT WANT but when you get to America you don't PRODUCE PRODUCE PRODUCE. America is not your cookie jar. You want an easy life based on what others built but uou don't want to do the hard work of keeping it running.

Get out and stay out until you learn how to PRODUCE like an American.

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