Taiwan cannot accept 'Chinese' identity

Zsari wrote:

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Oh please, don't think I'm unfamiliar with the politics on the island. The ROC constitution has gone through many changes under LTH & A'bian, mostly for the sake of satistifing their own political agenda. It had far more changes than PRC's constitution.

btw i believe understanding is essential between taiwan and china. taiwan's now having open policies to mainlanders that they can come to taiwan to work and study. this is very fantastic! i wish more and more chinese will have first-hand experience in taiwan. some people in taiwan are against the policy of offering much scholorships to PRC students coz the economic sucks. but i absolutely support it.

Fordik

InfoSharing wrote:

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If the Taiwanese are so open-minded in the past and accepted the aboringinal people into the mainstream, they won't be living in a less than affluent situation nowadays

what if i copy your logic and say 'if the westerners are so open-minded in the past and accepted the other races into mainstream, they won't have many racists.'
your point to against taiwan is non-sense. and the gap between rich and poor in you country is much more widened in taiwan.
and how do you know the situation of most aboringinal people in taiwan? how do you know whether they're actually happier than new immigrants and black people in your country or not?

Fordik

and the gap between rich and poor in your country is much more widened than in taiwan.*

Fordik

Info Sharing is reborn to post stupid points again. be aware.

chenphiller

GlobeSon wrote:

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if you learn some english, it will help me understand what you are trying to say

1.anything is wrong ? that's from my real experience !! my view of indian is only one word --disgusting ! that's a country running on the rubbish ! wherever you go , you can find the dirty place , very very dirty ! dont you indian have cleaners ? those people use their hand instead of toilet paper after faeces , and then use their hands eating food ! are you PRIMITIVES ?
2. i think that you must be very pround of your english . you should be ashame of it ! you country dont use his own language to be offical language . we are so different from you , chinese is our mother language and also our offical language , we are very pround of it . that's our old culture !
3. dont think that everyone have the same IQ as yours . dont try to fool others . i believe my eyes rather than your words . go and visit china sometimes even a small city , you will know who you are ! i never believed indian like that before i visited indian !

chenphiller

Fordik wrote:

and the gap between rich and poor in your country is much more widened than in taiwan.*

you will see if taiwan can become an independent country or not . wether you want to see taiwan will become part of china or not . it's just a matter of time !

Fordik

chenphiller wrote:

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you will see if taiwan can become an independent country or not . wether you want to see taiwan will become part of china or not . it's just a matter of time !

i actually believe taiwan independence helps china develop. if we didn't get this country, would china developed (not only economically) as fast as we have seem? most countries can only give china investment.

Fordik

chenphiller wrote:

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you will see if taiwan can become an independent country or not . wether you want to see taiwan will become part of china or not . it's just a matter of time !

btw i do suggest you not using chinglish too often, otherwise only a few users and i can understand what you're talking about. and the 'country' in that post wasn't china.

chenphiller

Fordik wrote:

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i actually believe taiwan independence helps china develop. if we didn't get this country, would china developed (not only economically) as fast as we have seem? most countries can only give china investment.

lol ! it doesnt matter what you believe it or not ! it just matter , someday , when there is a war between the mainland of china and taiwan because someone try to make taiwan independent . then you will see that difference between you and me . i can give my whole life to support the unit of the mainland of china and taiwan . and you ? i guess you may immigrate to another country . you will never remember what's your blood in your body , but i do ! that's the difference . i am not a crazy man , i have a normal life . but if one day i have to give away my life for sth i believe since the first day i was born . i will never regret !

GlobeSon

Since: Sep 09

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Pune, India

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Fordik wrote:

and the gap between rich and poor in your country is much more widened than in taiwan.*

i agree, the CCP china govt is worried about the growing unrest amongst poor chinese, especially those who lost their jobs and had to return to their home town in rural china.

GlobeSon

Since: Sep 09

2,296

Pune, India

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chenphiller wrote:

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1.anything is wrong ? that's from my real experience !! my view of indian is only one word --disgusting ! that's a country running on the rubbish ! wherever you go , you can find the dirty place , very very dirty ! dont you indian have cleaners ? those people use their hand instead of toilet paper after faeces , and then use their hands eating food ! are you PRIMITIVES ?
2. i think that you must be very pround of your english . you should be ashame of it ! you country dont use his own language to be offical language . we are so different from you , chinese is our mother language and also our offical language , we are very pround of it . that's our old culture !
3. dont think that everyone have the same IQ as yours . dont try to fool others . i believe my eyes rather than your words . go and visit china sometimes even a small city , you will know who you are ! i never believed indian like that before i visited indian !

1, your view about India doesn't count, as you hardly see the complete truth with your slit eyes.

2. We are going to import some chinese slaves for toilet cleaning, as we hear they are excellent janitors.

3. Your english skills. Sour grapes huh? Chinese govt is laying special emphasis on improving english skills of chinese people. English teachers are much in demand,and get paid 3 times of other teachers. Get out of your inferiority complex.

RayH

GlobeSon wrote:

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i agree, the CCP china govt is worried about the growing unrest amongst poor chinese, especially those who lost their jobs and had to return to their home town in rural china.

You are ratting off old stories from back issues of newspapers from ONE YEAR AGO. This "Great Recession" is basically over in China, and China went through this without much anarchy, but came out much stronger than before.

As for those migrant workers who went home to western China, many of them found construction jobs in China's massive infrastructure programs (ie. high-speed railway building) in their home province. All a part of the economic stimulus package in China for this "Great Recession."

Fordik

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GlobeSon wrote:

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i agree, the CCP china govt is worried about the growing unrest amongst poor chinese, especially those who lost their jobs and had to return to their home town in rural china.

the 'country' in that post actually means InfoSharing's. but i really agree with your point here.

RayH wrote:

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You are ratting off old stories from back issues of newspapers from ONE YEAR AGO. This "Great Recession" is basically over in China, and China went through this without much anarchy, but came out much stronger than before.
As for those migrant workers who went home to western China, many of them found construction jobs in China's massive infrastructure programs (ie. high-speed railway building) in their home province. All a part of the economic stimulus package in China for this "Great Recession."

RayH, the Great Recession is an excuse of the government to explain why the country is having such out-of-control problem even though it has became 'much richer' than the past. unfortunately taiwan is somehow economically being 'americanized' too because of some wrong policies, the result is being unlike as equal prosperity as in the past, which has been noticed and fortunately many people are against it. blindly purchasing growth of GDP is dangerous.

Fordik

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RayH wrote:

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You are ratting off old stories from back issues of newspapers from ONE YEAR AGO. This "Great Recession" is basically over in China, and China went through this without much anarchy, but came out much stronger than before.
As for those migrant workers who went home to western China, many of them found construction jobs in China's massive infrastructure programs (ie. high-speed railway building) in their home province. All a part of the economic stimulus package in China for this "Great Recession."

btw don't blindly hate japan and many people would find their neighbor is a better model than the west

chenphiller

GlobeSon wrote:

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1, your view about India doesn't count, as you hardly see the complete truth with your slit eyes.
2. We are going to import some chinese slaves for toilet cleaning, as we hear they are excellent janitors.
3. Your english skills. Sour grapes huh? Chinese govt is laying special emphasis on improving english skills of chinese people. English teachers are much in demand,and get paid 3 times of other teachers. Get out of your inferiority complex.

1. just one question ! have u been to china or not ? whose eyes are slit ? i guess yours , coz you havent been to china yet ! most cities i have been to in indian are all big cities , such as Mumbai, New Delhi and Calcutta . all i saw is dirty street . you should go and visit some small city in china , although they are not very rich , they have clean streets .
2. how much will you pay for that ? i think the salary of the people in china who clean toliet , can be twice as the yours ! people in china can be poor or rich , but no one can take others as slaves , like in indian . i just remember my driver in indian , one good man , like most low race in dian . those people always take themselves as slaves . they never say "no" to their boss , every stuffs i give him , he can say " thank you sir " for many times . in china , my driver and i can be very good friends . while in indian , they just think that they are so humble that they cant be my friend .
3. i know that my english is not so well , but at least i can talk to these english speaking people including some in indian . some may come from the low race , even though they are not so good in english . i guess you may be from the high race , these people always be pround of their english and often look down upon the low race . JUST REMEMBER !! in china , you can be poor or rich , but there is no low race or high race . they judge us as the way you think coz you havnt been to china yet !

RayH

chenphiller wrote:

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1. just one question ! have u been to china or not ? whose eyes are slit ? i guess yours , coz you havent been to china yet ! most cities i have been to in indian are all big cities , such as Mumbai, New Delhi and Calcutta . all i saw is dirty street . you should go and visit some small city in china , although they are not very rich , they have clean streets .
2. how much will you pay for that ? i think the salary of the people in china who clean toliet , can be twice as the yours ! people in china can be poor or rich , but no one can take others as slaves , like in indian . i just remember my driver in indian , one good man , like most low race in dian . those people always take themselves as slaves . they never say "no" to their boss , every stuffs i give him , he can say " thank you sir " for many times . in china , my driver and i can be very good friends . while in indian , they just think that they are so humble that they cant be my friend .
3. i know that my english is not so well , but at least i can talk to these english speaking people including some in indian . some may come from the low race , even though they are not so good in english . i guess you may be from the high race , these people always be pround of their english and often look down upon the low race . JUST REMEMBER !! in china , you can be poor or rich , but there is no low race or high race . they judge us as the way you think coz you havnt been to china yet !

No, GlobeSon has never been to China. That's his problem. He's missing out.

eezh

Xiangtan, China

yiqunbaizhu

attila the Han

Sydney, Australia

ngali wrote:

The only people, who should be deciding it Taiwan becomes part of China are the Taiwanese.
A recent Zogby poll shows a majority of 85% are adamantly opposed to the idea, and want independence and admission to the UN.
Ma Ying Jeou seems to be doing all he can to make it easier for Taiwan to fall forever into orbit around China by increasing economic ties. It may be a pragmatic solution to the problems of the global financial crisis , but he's playing a dangerous game. Ma could be handing over the keys to the kingdom - and Taiwanese sovereignty with it.
Even, so - there's no inevitability here. The real choice lays with the Taiwanese people, and the next election could change everything.

can you see clearly. taiwan desire unification with china. all the trade links, people movement are the first step towards unification. chinese in taiwan and mainland are one.

RayH

Fordik wrote:

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btw don't blindly hate japan and many people would find their neighbor is a better model than the west

Hey Fordik: Heard that Taiwan is permitting mainland students to study at universities there next year. Congratulations!

RayH