Flagging Oval Office hope among African-Americans

[Harrisson]

Daniel P from Long Island wrote:

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The whole Rev. Wrong fiasco is about the JUDGMENT of Senator Obama. He certainly has a right to worship at the church of his choosing, but when a pastor says such hateful things, AND Senator Obama does not IMMEDIATELY denounce them, and seperate himself from this church and this man, then I think, and a LOT of people apparently think, it raises serious doubts about his judgment.
PEACE !:)

I would agree with you IF and only IF that "judgment rule" you cited were applied equally to all Presidential candidates of either party.

When Republican, Bush-allied ministers call for the assasination of a foreign head-of-state (terrorism) or say that Hurricane Katrina is an expression of God's divine wrath for the sinfulness or immorality of local residents... do we see a rush to denounce Falwell or Robertson or whoever the right-wing jerk is?? And to disavow his comments?

Well.... what do you think? You can call it an unfortunate double-standard or you can call it racism or... whatever!

But you can't call it honest or respectable.

[Drevelyn Minor]

Randy Shaw of San Francisco ~ A Colleague and Friend of Drevelyn “D” Minor ~~~ Wrote in the ~~~Beyond Chron.org ~~~for more information please visit their web-site.~~~~~~~~~

Clinton Moves Right~~~~~~~~~~

The day of reckoning has finally arrived. For all of the talk about Kentucky and West Virginia, and then taking this fight to the convention, Hillary Clinton either wins both North Carolina and Indiana or her hope of winning the nomination is done.~~~~~~~~~

Recognizing the stakes, Clinton has described North Carolina as a “game changer.” And she has responded to this challenge the same way that the Clintons have always done: by moving to the right and co-opting Republican policies/campaign messages.~~~~~~~~~

Consider the following:~~~~~~~~~

The summer gas tax waiver: That proposal was initiated by John McCain, and is opposed by all leading Democrats. Clinton used the standard Republican tactic of talking like a populist while governing like an aristocrat in pushing a gas tax waiver that would eliminate tens of thousands of blue-collar jobs, while not costing the oil companies a dime.~~~~~~~~~

Remember earlier this year when Clinton repeatedly attacked Obama’s accurate claim that Ronald Reagan had shifted the nation in a way that Bill Clinton had not? Well, in Clinton’s raging against the federal gas tax---the one used to build highways and mass transit---she appears to be channeling Reagan and other Republicans in trying to wear the anti-tax mantle in this race.~~~~~~~~~

Clinton’s claim that her opponents are “elitist”: A classic example from the Republican playbook, which has multimillionaire candidates like the Bushes claim that Democrats and progressives are serving the elite.~~~~~~~~~

Economists are “elitists” whose views should be ignored: Clinton argued over the weekend that she did not care that every economist thought her gas tax waiver was a bad idea, because she said they were “elitists.” George W. Bush has shown the disastrous impacts of ignoring expert advice, and Clinton is now embracing the same course.~~~~~~~~~

I agree with Randy and I’m voting for Obama!

[shedrives]

I think its really sad that a man such as Pastor Wright would mix such racial remarks and still identify hisself with God. I am very disturb at the fact that a good descent politician man like Obama would be smeared and sink in his campaign due to remarks made by a hypocarate as Wright is. No! the black churchs are not operated by men of this nature, No! he isn't a man anointed by God who lives and breathes the words that stands against everything that this country (America) has fought so hard against in the pass. For all men to be considered as equal.

[shedrives]

I think that Pastor Wright wants publicity and wants to be recognize in society. It is very disturbing that he will even be identified as a man of God who speaks on terms of such prejudice. One thing that God will never do. Obama is a true honest man who will do this world great good. I regret the fact that a man as Pastor Wright has caused his campaign harm by his hypocatical statements in the past. Pastor Wright has no idea of what being a true man of God is.

[Daniel P from Long Island]

Harrisson wrote:

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I would agree with you IF and only IF that "judgment rule" you cited were applied equally to all Presidential candidates of either party.
When Republican, Bush-allied ministers call for the assasination of a foreign head-of-state (terrorism) or say that Hurricane Katrina is an expression of God's divine wrath for the sinfulness or immorality of local residents... do we see a rush to denounce Falwell or Robertson or whoever the right-wing jerk is?? And to disavow his comments?
Well.... what do you think? You can call it an unfortunate double-standard or you can call it racism or... whatever!
But you can't call it honest or respectable.

you seem to be accusing me of being a Dubya supporter and/or Republican. as can be plainly seen from my profile, I am a LIBERTARIAN.

I Voted Libertarian in the Presidential elections of 1996, 2000, & 2004.

I am NOT a Republican.

[Drevelyn Minor]

Today's News~~~~

Hardcore' Republicans Voting In Demo Race~~~~~~~~~~

Some Quotes:
"Candidates Turn Up The Populist Charm ... It's Almost Over ... NC: Voter Refuses To Talk To "Muslim" Obama ... Obama Hits Hillary On OPEC ... NC: 50% Dems Turnout Expected ... IN Clerk: If You Wanna Vote, Better Show Up Now ... NC: The 3 Numbers That Will Decide The Race ... Last Parting Shots ... Final Polls From North Carolina ... Indiana"

A Bloger “Cil” Posted May 6th.“Crossing Over”
As I've said many times before. I think this cross over voting should not be allowed. Reps. are only crossing over to vote for Hillary.~~~~~~~~~

I really hope that the super delegates have some way of determining the full impact of these votes.~~~~~~~~~

These Reps. will not vote for Dems. in November.~~~~~~~~~

They are doing this to absolutely screw up the democratic nomination. They know that Hillary will be easier for McCain to beat. This is the only goal that is driving them to the polls today.~~~~~~~~~

By the way Obama supporters,~~~~~~~~~

I think that regardless of the outcome of today's primaries, we should boycott Clinton News Network
(cnn) at least for a few weeks. We all know how biased they have been and still are! We can do our posting on huff post who have been really good. We can also post on Politico, and lots of other places but we have to do this together no cheating.~~~~~~~~~

Obama for President!

[Harrisson]

Daniel P from Long Island wrote:

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you seem to be accusing me of being a Dubya supporter and/or Republican.

as can be plainly seen from my profile, I am a LIBERTARIAN.
I Voted Libertarian in the Presidential elections of 1996, 2000, & 2004.

I am NOT a Republican.

No - I am accusing you of advancing a phony agenda when you say that a candidate's judgment can plausibly be called into question based on his refusal to immediately resign from a church based on this or that comment that his minister made.

I'm just pointing out to you that this "test" hasn't been applied to non-Obama candidates in the past or present and I'm challenging you to explain that curiousity.

Do you REALLY want the media to dig through the church histories of any past and present Libertarian candidate for President? And pull out the rope as soon as something antagonistic towards another group is revealed in the records or tapes of past sermons?

It seems to me that, if applied equally, this is a NO-WIN game for most presidential candidates.

[Mr Sulu]

Drevelyn Minor wrote:

Today's News~~~~
Hardcore' Republicans Voting In Demo Race~~~~~~~~~~

what's with the stupid curlicues?

I didn't know kindergarten was posting today.

[vivianr]

Drevelyn Minor wrote:

TRINITY REP DENIES WRIGHT/REYNOLDS DINNER: Daily News item also had Wright 'huddled in a corner' with organizer of Press Club appearance.~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~May 5, 2008)~~~~~~~~~
*A rep for Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ has written EURweb to deny a New York Daily News story regarding its former pastor Jeremiah Wright and Barbara Reynolds, a minister who organized his recent headline-making appearance at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.~~~~~~~~~
The paper's Rush & Malloy column on May 1st stated: "Reynolds and Wright couldn't have looked chummier on Tuesday night when they met at D.C.'s Mayflower Hotel.'They shared a hug and a kiss and then huddled in a corner,' says our spy.'Then they went off to dinner.'" ~~~~~~~~~~
According to Trinity United Church of Christ's media coordinator Donna Hammond-Miller, "Dr. Wright did not have dinner with Dr. Reynolds at any time while in D.C." ~~~~~~~~~~
Reynolds, a supporter of Hillary Clinton, has been the target of conspiracy theorists who suggest she may have arranged Rev. Wright's appearance to embarrass the campaign of Senator Obama.
Today’s News visit: EURweb.com
~~~~~~~~~~Obama for President!~~~~~~~~~

Your a bigger idiot if you want OBAMA in the white house. If he gets elected, we will have worse problems, this man is so wishy-washy, says one thing and then says he never said it. By the way, BIG TIME LIER!!!!!

[Offbeat]

Harrisson wrote:

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No - I am accusing you of advancing a phony agenda when you say that a candidate's judgment can plausibly be called into question based on his refusal to immediately resign from a church based on this or that comment that his minister made.
I'm just pointing out to you that this "test" hasn't been applied to non-Obama candidates in the past or present and I'm challenging you to explain that curiousity.
Do you REALLY want the media to dig through the church histories of any past and present Libertarian candidate for President? And pull out the rope as soon as something antagonistic towards another group is revealed in the records or tapes of past sermons?
It seems to me that, if applied equally, this is a NO-WIN game for most presidential candidates.

With statements like this from a post you made in another forum it's sounds like you need some help. Personaly i think you hate whitey and are a racist!

[Offbeat]

Harrisson wrote:

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I would agree with you IF and only IF that "judgment rule" you cited were applied equally to all Presidential candidates of either party.
When Republican, Bush-allied ministers call for the assasination of a foreign head-of-state (terrorism) or say that Hurricane Katrina is an expression of God's divine wrath for the sinfulness or immorality of local residents... do we see a rush to denounce Falwell or Robertson or whoever the right-wing jerk is?? And to disavow his comments?
Well.... what do you think? You can call it an unfortunate double-standard or you can call it racism or... whatever!
But you can't call it honest or respectable.

s being dark skinned a curse from god?

No! We are truly blessed. We can bust a cap in any fool's ass from 30 yards with a Glock in one hand and a 40-ouncer in the other hand. Can't nobody f*ck wid us!!! I run this town. My Daddy was an El-Rukn! What about you? Who you thank you iz??(14 hrs ago | post #3)
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This was what you said in another post that i failed to paste on my other comment!

[Harrisson]

Offbeat wrote:

<quoted text>With statements like this from a post you made in another forum it's sounds like you need some help. Personaly i think you hate whitey and are a racist!

Then you probably don't want to waste precious time talking to an anti-white racist, do you? Those fools are notoriously stupid, low-IQ, and it's impossible to talk sense into their heads.

Bye! ;o)

[Offbeat]

Harrisson wrote:

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Then you probably don't want to waste precious time talking to an anti-white racist, do you? Those fools are notoriously stupid, low-IQ, and it's impossible to talk sense into their heads.
Bye! ;o)

So you admit you are a racist then?

[Nobamination No Way]

Dear Les,
One must decide if such smoldering anger among whites concerning the blacks in america who see racism behind every tree and bigotry in every handshake and take comfort in every smidgen of racism they encounter and then multiply it 100 fold.
You see Les,
Many whites have a more legitimate right to call themselves "european"-american than the vast majority of blacks to call themselves african-american.
Which brings me to this....
If blacks want to be americans start acting like americans.
Stop grasping for that tired old worn yet oh so comfortable secutiry blanket of racism for all the ills that you suffer.
Grow up....
Even you Les might make something of yourself someday.

[Drevelyn Minor]

Randy Shaw of San Francisco ~ A Colleague and Friend of Drevelyn “D” Minor ~~~ Wrote in the ~~~Beyond Chron.org ~~~for more information please visit their web-site.~~~~~~~~~

Obama’s Strength, Traditional Media’s Weakness
by Randy Shaw‚ May. 07‚ 2008 ~~~~~~~~~~

Prior to counting the votes in North Carolina and Indiana, the traditional media had its post-election narrative all prepared: Obama had once again done poorly among white working class voters, Clinton had out-maneuvered him on the summer gas tax waiver, Reverend Wright was damaging Obama’s candidacy, rural voters had rebelled against Obama’s calling them “bitter,” and Clinton had the momentum while Obama clung to the ropes waiting for the last primary bell to ring. This narrative so dominated the two weeks since Pennsylvania that even Obama supporters who understood the mathematical impossibility of a Clinton victory worried that the nomination would somehow become hers. But as has so often proved true this campaign season, the traditional media created its narrative despite polls showing that Obama was maintaining support, and that his base remained galvanized. Last night not only was a climatic victory for Barack Obama, but a stunning rebuff of the conventional “wisdom” that still dominates the traditional media.~~~~~~~~~

For the first time since this long campaign began in early 2007, I stopped carefully reading various newspapers coverage of the presidential primaries in the week before the election. The prevailing narrative was so at odds with information freely available at Daily Kos and other sites---much of which we put out on Beyond Chron---that I really felt like the world described in the New York Times, Washington Post and other papers was a completely separate reality.~~~~~~~~~

The daily newspapers’ dominant view---that Obama was reeling while Clinton had successfully reinvented herself as a populist, working-class hero---seemed lacking in factual basis, but it was repeated day after day by multiple reporters.~~~~~~~~~

Even Obama supporter and New York Times columnist Bob Herbert expounded the prevailing view that the Illinois Senator was appearing “weak,” was not a “fighter,” and lacked the vision that Clinton was allegedly offering voters.~~~~~~~~~

If there was a single national reporter or pundit who predicted that Clinton’s gas tax scam would hurt rather than help her, send me their name. Everyone I heard was convinced that, as bad a policy as it was, nobody ever lost votes offering a tax cut.~~~~~~~~~

It seems the middle and working-class is not as easily fooled as the media assumed. Although the media completely ignored Clinton blaming Bush for the closing of an Indiana factory actually shut down by her husband, the voters knew and were not fooled.~~~~~~~~~

In Eastern North Carolina, in a town called Clinton, rural voters unexpectedly rejected their namesake for Barack Obama. Rural voters have backed Obama from Iowa to Kansas, from Idaho to North Dakota---and were not fooled yesterday by Clinton and the media telling them to resent Obama’s “elitism.”~~~~~~~~

Remember the stories that said that Obama’s denouncement of Wright could divide his African-American voting base? Well, Obama did better among African-Americans yesterday than Kerry did against George W. Bush in 2004.~~~~~~~~~

Obama not only funded his candidacy through the Internet, but the conveying of accurate information via the Internet allowed him to overcome---and to a great extent, ignore---the demands of the traditional media and its punditry.~~~~~~~~~

Obama’s victory has weakened and discredited the longstanding power of the corporate media over the presidential election process. Yet another historic accomplishment from this remarkable man.~~~~~~~~~
Drevelyn Minor is supporting Obama for President!~~~~~~~~~

[Intelligent Guessing]

If you are white and you don't vote for Obama then you are a racist. There is no other reason not to vote for the man.
EVERYTHING else is white tradition at its best.

Period.

[Offbeat]

Intelligent Guessing wrote:

If you are white and you don't vote for Obama then you are a racist. There is no other reason not to vote for the man.
EVERYTHING else is white tradition at its best.
Period.

Why is that?

[Hedcutter]

Rev. Jeremiah Wright sits at the feet of Min. Louis Farrakhan. He flew to Libya with Farrakhan in 1996 to consort with Moammar Kadafi and declare "God will destroy America at the hands of Muslims". If one looks closer at Jeremiah Wright one sees and hears the destructive rhetoric is Farrakhan's teachings.
And since when does a Muslim group provide body guards for an infidel (non-believer) as was provided for Wright during his appearance before the National Press Club to rant and rave and display buffoonery?

[wtf]

Can't we just ditch this election and start over again?

[Bubba from Bumfucville]

cyberbian wrote:

..........Do one about the summer Hillary spent hanging out with the Black Panthers at their headquarters, wouldn't people really prefer an interesting story like that?

No wonder Hillary doesn't get turned on by Bubba, and he has to resort to chasing bimbos.