FPL customers could foot bill for nuclear plant expansion

[interesting]

you knownot for nothing. there is a much easier way to generate it other then nuclear power. There is something called an ocean that does not stop moving. hmm maybe harness hydro electric power and step up the voltage. yeah yeah through transformenrs right and then the heat that the transformers create we could capture that and turn that into clean burning energy too yeah yeah and then the polution would not be so drastic and global warming would start too subside. yeah yeah. then we could all be charged less money because the ocean is contantly moving and will not charge us for the use of there movement. yeah yeah. Most Assuardly i say to you there is a simmple solution for everything.

[freddy]

its time for this crape to stop write to the psc with our thoughts on this if we get enough of the people to do this it will have an effect,as a matter a fact write to the govs. office,use e-mail if you want,go to my florida web site all the addresses and phone numbers are there,I have already sent some e-mails we need to send allot more.come on folks lets fight this crape.

[ftlbchman]

I wonder how much Jeb Bush is getting out of this, now that he is on the board of Lehman.

[PhoneBill]

You are joking, right?

"..the heat that the transformers create..." Perpetual energy? I thought that was possible in junior high school, too.

I'm going to assume your last two posts were written in jest.

interesting wrote:

you knownot for nothing. there is a much easier way to generate it other then nuclear power. There is something called an ocean that does not stop moving. hmm maybe harness hydro electric power and step up the voltage. yeah yeah through transformenrs right and then the heat that the transformers create we could capture that and turn that into clean burning energy too yeah yeah and then the polution would not be so drastic and global warming would start too subside. yeah yeah. then we could all be charged less money because the ocean is contantly moving and will not charge us for the use of there movement. yeah yeah. Most Assuardly i say to you there is a simmple solution for everything.

[bem]

Just Plain Vic wrote:

A corporation, like FPL or Walmart or Shell, is not a person nor is it a philanthropist. It is in business to provide a service for profit, which it uses to pay its employees, repay the speculators who loaned it money by purchasing stocks and to grow itself. That is true even for a regulated industry like a power company.

This all may be true, but if I want to go somewhere besides Walmart & Shell, I can ... there are no alternatives for FPL short of having my own generators.

[A1ACharles is All Knowing]

Mangler wrote:

Charles ... quit watching faux news. Everything is a target, but not everyone is a terrorist. I'd be more concerned about a retiree hitting me while I was on a sidewalk or a crane collapsing onto me than someone blowing up a nuclear power plant.
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The spent fuel can be used for bombs. Terrorists get more and more creative.
Why nukes anyway? there are alternatives.

[Wooden Tooth]

"customers"? who the heck else would "foot the bill"? now people want energy for FREE? too funny. ya let's just keep burning coal, that's the way to go.

[FPL Man]

Did you know that there is a huge wildlife reserve around Turkey Point, we have 150 miles of cooling canals, google earth it, it's cool. American alligators and many other creatures are thriving. FPL is a good corporate citizen that cares deeply about the environment, no BS no Rah Rah, they just flat out care about the environment. FPl spends a lot of money on reserch and developement unlike the federal gov or the oil companies. Nuke is part of the solution to our problem of depending on foreign energy, we are working hard to keep quality power available to you. But it will cost a little more. Thanks for your understanding. But in the long run we all will be better off.

[John Thomas]

I think this a super idea and who ever thought of it should get a bonus.
However if we pay for the building of it, we should be the owners of it and receive dividens from our investment, right ?
Da, here we go it again, when are our elected going to look out for us ?
Another reason for my leaving this state
I love.

[Brian]

John Thomas wrote:

I think this a super idea and who ever thought of it should get a bonus.
However if we pay for the building of it, we should be the owners of it and receive dividens from our investment, right ?
Da, here we go it again, when are our elected going to look out for us ?
Another reason for my leaving this state
I love.

If you think that other utilities do not do this too, you are wrong. No matter where you go, most utilities are allowed to collect for pre-construction charges. It's not an FPL thing.

[Ridiculous]

FPL Man wrote:

Did you know that there is a huge wildlife reserve around Turkey Point, we have 150 miles of cooling canals, google earth it, it's cool. American alligators and many other creatures are thriving. FPL is a good corporate citizen that cares deeply about the environment, no BS no Rah Rah, they just flat out care about the environment. FPl spends a lot of money on reserch and developement unlike the federal gov or the oil companies. Nuke is part of the solution to our problem of depending on foreign energy, we are working hard to keep quality power available to you. But it will cost a little more. Thanks for your understanding. But in the long run we all will be better off.

True, true...I had to correct one thing...it's the American Crocodile you meant to say. Some may not have realized that. All true, though.

[PhoneBill]

Do you have any examples? Can you cite any sources?

I have never seen a pre-assessment on my water, telephone, power or cable bill, at least not yet. Where has this been approved and executed?

I'm not saying it's not possible; I'm simply speaking from personal experience, hence my request for examples.

Brian wrote:

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If you think that other utilities do not do this too, you are wrong. No matter where you go, most utilities are allowed to collect for pre-construction charges. It's not an FPL thing.

[Brian]

PhoneBill wrote:

Do you have any examples? Can you cite any sources?
I have never seen a pre-assessment on my water, telephone, power or cable bill, at least not yet. Where has this been approved and executed?
I'm not saying it's not possible; I'm simply speaking from personal experience, hence my request for examples.
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Here is an article on Construction Work in Progress (CWIP)

http://www.ncwarn.org/CWIP%20QA%20FINAL%207-1...

[Brian]

PhoneBill wrote:

Do you have any examples? Can you cite any sources?
I have never seen a pre-assessment on my water, telephone, power or cable bill, at least not yet. Where has this been approved and executed?
I'm not saying it's not possible; I'm simply speaking from personal experience, hence my request for examples.
<quoted text>

This article is an example of CWIP being used by another utility. I hope these help with your question.

http://enr.construction.com/news/powerIndus/a...

[A1ACharles is All Knowing]

Nuclear aint cheaper.

On the other hand call it "Power Bill Reform" so you DlPSHlTS will fall for it hook, line , and sinker.

[kermit]

FPL was proposing a new coal plant with reduced emissions over existing plants. No, the public didn't want that. FPL is proposing a nuclear plant with reduced emissions over existing plants. No, the public doesn't want that either. The public wants more power for an ever increasing demanding to run Ipods, computers, electronics, A/C's, and the latte coffee houses; and wants to conserve...well here it is!

[Demos]

Bill wrote:

Mmmm, let's see now. FP&L wants to expand its nuclear plants to the tune of 259 million dollars and wants the public to pay for it. Just wondering now, if this idea was included in a five year plan and if so, why wasn't money put aside to pay for the expansion?? Also, what is the justification for the expansion?? If I remember correctly, the nuclear plants are only producing 25% of the electric at the present time so, is there a real need at the present time for expansion or is this just cashing in on their part??

Well, after wading through the first few morons I'll give this one a shot. Why the expansion? Lessee? 8 to 10 years to get a new plant on line. How much do you think oil is going to cost then? Should they wait until oil is $500 bbl before thinking about doing something? It isn't like building a new gas station, its $20 billion. Its gonna be bond issues, tax credits and rate hikes. Sorry but energy is getting more expensive. Why don't you just show them like the other poster said and just not pay your electric bill, what'll they do then???
I'll grant you, the PUC is some kind of crooked but you need the power and it ain't gonna come cheap.

[Demos]

A1ACharles is All Knowing wrote:

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The spent fuel can be used for bombs. Terrorists get more and more creative.
Why nukes anyway? there are alternatives.

Terrorists CANNOT use spent fuel for bombs. Remove the tinfoil hat.

[Demos]

DJD wrote:

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I wouldn't say they are dangerous, in fact they are relatively safe. Or another way of saying it is they are very reliable and accidents are few and far between. But when an accident does happen...
Such as Three Mile Island or Chernobyl...
http://www.spaceman.ca/gallery/chernobyl
Of course the new argument will be that the new designs are totally safe. But wouldn't that violate Murphy's Law?

TMI had no discernable effect on the welfare of the public. An expensive mess yes. Chernobyl's design was fundamentally 180 degrees out from most plant designs including all those in the US. Couldn't happen here. The Chernobyl design had a positive void coefficient in that voids in the water coolant actually increased reactivity. All US plants have a negative void coefficient. Remove the water, reactivity stops. You've nothing left to deal with but the decay heat as happened at TMI.

[PhoneBill]

Thank you Brian, those are both good references that explain the driving force behind the power company's desire to secure funding through customer assessments. I'd suggest everyone read them.

It makes sense, they are assuming a great risk by funding these construction projects, and they would like to reduce their liability, as would any company. I just hope that since the customers are going to now be assuming this risk, they will also benefit with a greater reward. As I said before, once these power generating units are brought online, I assume we should see a reduction in our bill by the amount collected, plus interest, plus a reduced kWH rate. But I doubt it.

Does anyone else have any examples of non-power utilities using the same funding method? Granted, power utilities require the greatest capital investment, but I’m sure someone else has tried this? I don’t think the taxes or fees the phone company collects are the same, those are mandated by the FCC not requested by the company.

Brian wrote:

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This article is an example of CWIP being used by another utility. I hope these help with your question.
http://enr.construction.com/news/powerIndus/a...