Opponents seek to block Lockport oil ...

Opponents seek to block Lockport oil pipeline

There are 134 comments on the The Herald-News story from May 22, 2013, titled Opponents seek to block Lockport oil pipeline. In it, The Herald-News reports that:

A Lockport-based environmental group wants to block an oil pipeline bridge that would deliver crude oil from storage tanks at the former Texaco refinery site to nearby barges.

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Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#82 Jun 17, 2013
Hardliner wrote:
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Coo Coo for Coco Puffs Coo Coo for Coco Puffs!
Excellent rebuttal ... did you get help from Steve Balich on that one? Hardliner? More like sperm breath.
Dorothy

Lockport, IL

#83 Jun 19, 2013
Nothing would please them and the land is only suitable for certain things. Evidently they do not understand that! How many are in this group? Three or four people are always pictured.
Ellis Wyatt

Alsip, IL

#84 Jun 19, 2013
It is a very small group.
They like to spread fear and misinformation.

Did you know the majority of oil that ends up in our waterways and oceans comes from improperly disposed of oil, Not from oil transfer terminals.

Does C.A.R.E. every mention that?

The number of Major oil spills has been greatly reduced since the 1970's

something else C.A.R.E.won't tell people.
Ellis Wyatt

Alsip, IL

#85 Jun 19, 2013
If C.A.R.E. is so concerned about our community

How come no talk of this by them.

http://www.epa.state.il.us/community-relation...
Ask them

Lockport, IL

#86 Jun 20, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
If C.A.R.E. is so concerned about our community
How come no talk of this by them.
http://www.epa.state.il.us/community-relation...
Ask the husbands. If they are so important tell us how many are in their group and like you say where are their comments.
Community benefits

Lockport, IL

#87 Jun 20, 2013
I am for it as it will benefit the community. We lived with Texaco for years and we are still here. It is something that the land is meant for. The ding bats that don't like it can move and that goes for anyone else.
Move away

Lockport, IL

#88 Jun 21, 2013
We do not need this tight little group of anti anything on the Texaco property. My family have lived in the north end for years and the Texaco is well suited for this project.
Ellis Wyatt

Schaumburg, IL

#89 Jun 21, 2013
below is a link to a video posted on You tube



It's by Penn and Teller, about environmental extremists, it just might give a little insight into C.A.R.E. types, maybe not exactly but it makes some very good points.

if nothing else it is entertaining and gives some food for thought.

enjoy

Ellis Wyatt

Aurora, IL

#90 Jun 23, 2013
here's another link,

http://drycleaners.apps.chicagotribune.com/

Dry cleaners are a much larger threat to our community and environment than an oil depot
Ellis Wyatt

Alsip, IL

#91 Jun 24, 2013

C.A.R.E. has a website, on this site they have information about recycling yoga mats. it stated millions of yoga mats are disposed of annually
( really?)

http://www.willcountycare.org/index.php...

Is this really a problem?

In an earlier post I stated that most oil that ends up in out waterways and oceans comes from improperly disposed of oil

For our Lockport Citizens; used motor oil can be taken to Autozone, Advanced Auto and Walmart for recycling. If you have used oil from lawn equipment of another small engine a used laundry detergent bottle makes a good container to transport used oil for recycling. rinse the soap out and label it used oil. milk cartons are thin and do tend to leak making the laundry detergent bottle a better storage/transport container.
thank you

Lockport, IL

#92 Jun 24, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
C.A.R.E. has a website, on this site they have information about recycling yoga mats. it stated millions of yoga mats are disposed of annually
( really?)
http://www.willcountycare.org/index.php...
Is this really a problem?
In an earlier post I stated that most oil that ends up in out waterways and oceans comes from improperly disposed of oil
For our Lockport Citizens; used motor oil can be taken to Autozone, Advanced Auto and Walmart for recycling. If you have used oil from lawn equipment of another small engine a used laundry detergent bottle makes a good container to transport used oil for recycling. rinse the soap out and label it used oil. milk cartons are thin and do tend to leak making the laundry detergent bottle a better storage/transport container.
Thank you for the great ideas. Our family is one hundred percent behind the pipeline as it is what the land is intended for and we have lived in the far north end of town and have for over twenty five years.
lockporter

Chicago, IL

#93 Jun 24, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
It is a very small group.
They like to spread fear and misinformation.
Did you know the majority of oil that ends up in our waterways and oceans comes from improperly disposed of oil, Not from oil transfer terminals.
Does C.A.R.E. every mention that?
The number of Major oil spills has been greatly reduced since the 1970's
something else C.A.R.E.won't tell people.
Citation please? The fact sites I checked said runoff was about 36% but that was not improperly disposed of oil but from highways and industry. 12% was from spills, but that leaves 52% from other sources. So pffttt on your "majority of" statement.

As for reduced number of spills, again what is your citation? from a 2010 government minerals site: 1970's - 5, 1980's 5, 1990's - 4 and the 2000's = 18!!!!, so they've tripled in the last decade.
BTW, those are US only stats, worldwide Wikipedia (not my favorite source but it works) shows more than 70+ spills in the 2000's.

Neither side seems to have a lock on false or mis-informed facts. I still think we need to look no further than Arkansas's April spill to see what could be Lockport's future. Once the damage is done, there's no going back.
Ellis Wyatt

Alsip, IL

#94 Jun 24, 2013
Ellis Wyatt

Alsip, IL

#95 Jun 24, 2013
Isn't it funny we don't hear any hysteria over the oil depot in Mokena at 183rd and Wolf rd?
Respect for city is back

Lockport, IL

#96 Jun 24, 2013
Thank you for all the homework you do on the subject. We are for it! We are well suited to it! Texaco or Chevron now knows what they can put on there and what not. The area land is well suited for it. I am hoping it goes through and in the future the projects should be well investigated as this one is. The opponents can always move from Lockport! It is their option.
Ellis Wyatt

Alsip, IL

#97 Jun 24, 2013
I was thinking that the opponents could move to the rainforest some place and build grass huts, then spend their days gathering nuts and berries to survive on.

Most of us understand that the human condition can be improved by using all the earth's resources wisely and understand that there are risks and benefits to everything. And we will try to minimize the risks to enhance the benefits.

also to the opponents, would the tax revenue going to the schools would be like the schools taking "Blood Money"?
The opponents would not want to see that happen would they?

We have the Citgo refinery in Lemont, Exxon Mobil in Joliet and pipelines crossing the area.

and to think there is a small group that think one more mile of pipeline and a couple more storage tanks will lead to our demise.

Porter Place

Lockport, IL

#98 Jun 24, 2013
Turner was originally in favor of the Cogent proposal in the Star Business Park, and voted in favor of it in February of 2012 and again in March of 2013. Since then, he has flip-flopped and decided that it's a bad idea and that he's against it, citing various fictional environmental concerns. Of course, Marynowski is now also against it too, mainly because Turner is now against it. What a pair!
lockporter

Chicago, IL

#99 Jun 25, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
I was thinking that the opponents could move to the rainforest some place and build grass huts, then spend their days gathering nuts and berries to survive on.
Most of us understand that the human condition can be improved by using all the earth's resources wisely and understand that there are risks and benefits to everything. And we will try to minimize the risks to enhance the benefits.
also to the opponents, would the tax revenue going to the schools would be like the schools taking "Blood Money"?
The opponents would not want to see that happen would they?
We have the Citgo refinery in Lemont, Exxon Mobil in Joliet and pipelines crossing the area.
and to think there is a small group that think one more mile of pipeline and a couple more storage tanks will lead to our demise.
Not our demise, but why invite a sticking mess if we could have something else? Was in a nearby town over the weekend and their downtown is lovely historic homes surrounded by boutiques, restaurants, manicured lawns, etc. Drive through Lockport and it "seedy' is the first word that comes to mind. How can we ever reach our potential as a community if this is the type of business "best suited" for us? How does our main thoroughfare - archer/ rte 171 - become a showplace if a pipeline is our tax base and economic saviour? We can and should do better.
BTW, when you run out of argument, debasing your opponent with derogatory statements is all you have left. grass huts? and if you haven't been paying attention, rain forests have their own issues with development.
Ellis Wyatt

Naperville, IL

#100 Jun 25, 2013
If we could have "something else" then what would you propose? Boutiques and restaurants?

not sure you understood my sarcasm of grass huts in the rain Forrest.

the Chevron property is one small part of all of Lockport.

When the Texaco refinery was operating, it was a major driver of the local economy.

If you think boutiques, restaurants and manicured lawns is what makes a community, you are mistaken,
to build a strong community, economic development is needed, a tax base is needed. jobs that are better than minimum wage jobs in boutiques and restaurants.

As for State st 171 being a show place, the pipe line isn't going to be running down the middle of the road. We are talking about a distance of about a mile on the Chevron property itself.
Ellis Wyatt

Alsip, IL

#101 Jun 26, 2013
About those manicured lawns,
fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides to make those manicured lawns are toxic to the environment.

spreading toxic chemicals on lawns right where people live makes a better community?

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