Opponents seek to block Lockport oil pipeline

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A Lockport-based environmental group wants to block an oil pipeline bridge that would deliver crude oil from storage tanks at the former Texaco refinery site to nearby barges.
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Ellis Wyatt

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Lockport Local wrote:
<quoted text>The ladies from C.A.R.E. should think about that when they have no place in Lockport to fill up their gas guzzling SUV's.
Just think of this; the anti-development poster here are able to post because modern electronic devices like desktop computers, smart phones, tablets exist only because of oil products.

so if you are posting here you are using the benefits of oil

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feel free to contact your Alderman as well
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Ellis Wyatt wrote:
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Just think of this; the anti-development poster here are able to post because modern electronic devices like desktop computers, smart phones, tablets exist only because of oil products.
so if you are posting here you are using the benefits of oil
Don't forget to contact our Mayor Steven Streit
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Streit @ Lockport . org
feel free to contact your Alderman as well
if you do not have contact info just reply for the ward you are in and I'll post it
It really isn't about using oil or plastic or the choices that are beyond the control of many of us. This decision is within our community and we can either roll over, invite them in and worry about when the pipeline accident will happen and how they will respond, versus making a more responsible decision for the future of OUR community. I can choose to limit my consumer choices in plastics and oil (and even hardware) or by recycling products responsibly instead of adding to landfills. What our society can't do is restore a wetland area or keep pristine green fields after an oil accident.
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lockporter wrote:
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It really isn't about using oil or plastic or the choices that are beyond the control of many of us. This decision is within our community and we can either roll over, invite them in and worry about when the pipeline accident will happen and how they will respond, versus making a more responsible decision for the future of OUR community. I can choose to limit my consumer choices in plastics and oil (and even hardware) or by recycling products responsibly instead of adding to landfills. What our society can't do is restore a wetland area or keep pristine green fields after an oil accident.
There is neither a wetland or a pristine green field on the Texaco property. It's actually called a Brown Field because of its former life as a refinery.
Ellis Wyatt

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lockporter wrote:
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It really isn't about using oil or plastic or the choices that are beyond the control of many of us. This decision is within our community and we can either roll over, invite them in and worry about when the pipeline accident will happen and how they will respond, versus making a more responsible decision for the future of OUR community. I can choose to limit my consumer choices in plastics and oil (and even hardware) or by recycling products responsibly instead of adding to landfills. What our society can't do is restore a wetland area or keep pristine green fields after an oil accident.
Seeing that some is so worried about oil and the chance of a accident
do you also not travel by air because the plane might crash? or not ride in a car because that might also crash? how about not travel by train because of the risk of a derailment?
maybe live in a cave because a meteorite may land on your house
maybe even wear a tin foil hat in case of a solar flare??

Looks like Lockport is a much too dangerous place for you.
If the oil does not get you, look at all the other dangers all around you.
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Ellis Wyatt wrote:
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Seeing that some is so worried about oil and the chance of a accident
do you also not travel by air because the plane might crash? or not ride in a car because that might also crash? how about not travel by train because of the risk of a derailment?
maybe live in a cave because a meteorite may land on your house
maybe even wear a tin foil hat in case of a solar flare??
Looks like Lockport is a much too dangerous place for you.
If the oil does not get you, look at all the other dangers all around you.
A person can always go back to riding a horse or being like Jesus and walking everywhere. You would have pristine fields but "crappy" roads. How about all those flies and distinct odor! I am sure we would all like to relive those days. C.A.R.E. may want to take a field trip to Mackinac Island in Michigan. No cars all horses, lots of manure for the plants, etc.
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Lockport Local wrote:
<quoted text>A person can always go back to riding a horse or being like Jesus and walking everywhere. You would have pristine fields but "crappy" roads. How about all those flies and distinct odor! I am sure we would all like to relive those days. C.A.R.E. may want to take a field trip to Mackinac Island in Michigan. No cars all horses, lots of manure for the plants, etc.
Poor choice since Makinac's economy actually functions and profits in that environment. Lockport is neither functioning or profitable these days. A pipeline is s step back not forward for this community. Why is it a brownfield? Because of past practice. If the tankers and pipeline stayed ONLY in the brown field not a problem, right? But they move beyond the brown field and run through our community.

The real difficulty is with the vast wealth and power in the hands of the few and the unscrupulous who represent or control capital. Hundreds of laws of Congress and the state legislatures are in the interest of these men and against the interests of workingmen. These need to be exposed and repealed. All laws on corporations, on taxation, on trusts, wills, descent, and the like, need examination and extensive change. This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations.- How is this?- Diary of Rutherford B Hayes, President 1877-1881
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lockporter wrote:
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Poor choice since Makinac's economy actually functions and profits in that environment. Lockport is neither functioning or profitable these days. A pipeline is s step back not forward for this community. Why is it a brownfield? Because of past practice. If the tankers and pipeline stayed ONLY in the brown field not a problem, right? But they move beyond the brown field and run through our community.
The real difficulty is with the vast wealth and power in the hands of the few and the unscrupulous who represent or control capital. Hundreds of laws of Congress and the state legislatures are in the interest of these men and against the interests of workingmen. These need to be exposed and repealed. All laws on corporations, on taxation, on trusts, wills, descent, and the like, need examination and extensive change. This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations.- How is this?- Diary of Rutherford B Hayes, President 1877-1881
This thread is about a new pipeline that stays in the area and does not run through a community. So whats the problem?

It's the evil corporations right?
They can't be trusted, so Government is the solution to you?

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Barry Goldwater wrote:
<quoted text>I would prefer to fight from within and regain what our forefathers intended. Keep waving that flag you scared little douche bag.
Wow you are fighting from within! What a clown and an unoriginal one at that.
Ellis Wyatt

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let's recap.

Pipelines cross our nation,
they are the safest means to move bulk products
safer than road, rail or water transportation.

Is it not logical to transports materials the safest way possible?

Co gen wants to build a short pipe line in an area that has been used by the oil industry for 100+ years
some of the many oil storage tanks were never removed from the property.

C.A.R.E. feels that this is way too dangerous.
Really???

would it not be a better choice to use land that has been used for the oil industry than build a facility some place that has never been used for industry before?

Another complaint C.A.R.E. is with diesel trucks.

So if diesel trucks are delivering to Starbucks or Walgreen's that's OK but if it's for industry that Diesel truck is an evil polluter?

What about Diesel school buses? are those evil and need to be removed from the highways?

Looks like a lot of hypocritical things going on with C.A.R.E.

It's like people who move near an airport then complain about the noise when the airport was there long before they were.

these people move near to a property that has been used by the oil industry, then complain about it.

Is C.A.R.E. really concerned with the environment
or looking at their own self interests?
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C.A.R.E. is not known for letting the facts get in the way of their campaign against Chevron, Cogent of the Star Business Park.

At no time has Cogent ever proposed using diesel trucks to transport crude oil to or from the proposed crude oil depot.

The Cogent plan that was approved by the planning commission in February and the city council in March calls for a facility that will receive crude oil from the Edbridge pipeline (that is already in place and operational), store it in new above ground tanks, and then ship it out on barges on the Sanitary and Ship Canal. No diesel trucks!

The only unresolved issue is the lease of Lockport's dock area on the canal to Cogent and the final configuration of the pipeline from the storage tanks to the canal, and that is scheduled to be voted on at the June 19 city council meeting.

C.A.R.E. is using the environment as their moral high ground, but their real objective is just to obstruct any development at all on this site.
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Porter Place wrote:
C.A.R.E. is not known for letting the facts get in the way of their campaign against Chevron, Cogent of the Star Business Park.
At no time has Cogent ever proposed using diesel trucks to transport crude oil to or from the proposed crude oil depot.
The Cogent plan that was approved by the planning commission in February and the city council in March calls for a facility that will receive crude oil from the Edbridge pipeline (that is already in place and operational), store it in new above ground tanks, and then ship it out on barges on the Sanitary and Ship Canal. No diesel trucks!
The only unresolved issue is the lease of Lockport's dock area on the canal to Cogent and the final configuration of the pipeline from the storage tanks to the canal, and that is scheduled to be voted on at the June 19 city council meeting.
C.A.R.E. is using the environment as their moral high ground, but their real objective is just to obstruct any development at all on this site.
My recollection from the March vote is that CARE had their BS handed to them by a council member. All the council member wanted was some scientific fact instead of junk science from CARE. CARE has repeatedly spewed their propaganda at council meetings.

Any argument that includes phrases like, "could happen" and "might happen" isn't an argument at all. That's all CARE is about. Their entire argument is, "this might happen and can you give me a 100% guarantee that it won't happen".

It's high time that these crazy women be honest with the residents of Lockport and with themselves. They don't want and never have wanted any development on the old Texaco property. They have never admitted that this has been their agenda all along. What they refuse to realize is that 99.99% of the residents in Lockport don't give a damn about the CARE agenda.

If these crazy women don't want to live near any development on that on the old Texaco property they should just sell their houses. They can buy some land in the middle of nowhere and live with the snakes, raccoons, and deer. They can drill their own wells, can their own vegetables and poop in an outhouse in the back yard.
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For the record, I live walking distance to the Chevron property.
I would like to see it developed.

I would much rather see development there than
other open space paved over to be developed.

for business it has access to rail, the water way,
Lewis Air port, and with I-355 access to it and I-80 and I-55
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Wow you are fighting from within! What a clown and an unoriginal one at that.
You are the type that becomes liberal when affected personally. America is filled with your myopic view. You go after fellow middle class citizens and don't realize they have the same hopes for America you have. PT Barnum counted on your genetic makeup for success. You probably already are retired from a government job and collecting your pension. Now you fight to deny others without giving up anything individually. Homer Glen is a community based on these principles. They want their own town but outsource every city service on the backs of the entire Will County citizenry. True conservatives wouldn't be seen with you imposters.
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Barry Goldwater wrote:
<quoted text>You are the type that becomes liberal when affected personally. America is filled with your myopic view. You go after fellow middle class citizens and don't realize they have the same hopes for America you have. PT Barnum counted on your genetic makeup for success. You probably already are retired from a government job and collecting your pension. Now you fight to deny others without giving up anything individually. Homer Glen is a community based on these principles. They want their own town but outsource every city service on the backs of the entire Will County citizenry. True conservatives wouldn't be seen with you imposters.
Coo Coo for Coco Puffs Coo Coo for Coco Puffs!
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Porter Place wrote:
C.A.R.E. is using the environment as their moral high ground, but their real
objective is just to obstruct any development at all on this site.
Does anyone know WHY their objective is to obstruct any development on that site? Is this site in their view from their homes? Or Is there something else they would prefer be there?
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Any argument that includes phrases like, "could happen" and "might happen" isn't an argument at all. That's all CARE is about. Their entire argument is, "this might happen and can you give me a 100% guarantee that it won't happen".
Seems to me that before they even opened their mouths they should of had SCIENTIFIC facts to back themselves up....how stupid is it to show up to a gunfight without a gun? Are they aware that just by showing up at the meetings to spew propaganda that they COULD slip and bust a hip? or that they MIGHT say something so preposterous that nobody will ever take them seriously?

Somebody should reply to them with "It COULD be worse...a slaughterhouse is showing interest in the property as well...the odors emanating from an establishment such as that MIGHT very well gag you on a regular basis".
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A big problem is a small minority like C.A.R.E. will make a lot of noise, while a majority will not speak up for what is common sense and let a few set policy for many.

Make your voice be heard

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I received my copy of the Lockport Legend this evening.
I see there is a letter to the editor on Co-Gent.
having read this letter,
the writer asks if can accept the smell of toxic oil filling the air. Oh really, the oil is in storage tanks and during transfers there would not be "smells of toxic oil filling the air" as stated.
there will be way less odors if any than created by the Citco refinery.
sound like fear mongering to me.

Also there are claims of property values dropping.
What is the proof of this? Once there was a whole refinery operating there, As I remember it property values took a fall when it was shut down.

the writer tells us to ask the aldermen these questions.

1. how many people will be permanently employed by co gent at this location?

More than are working there now, we need more jobs and they will be better jobs than working retail.

2.What amount of tax revenue will be will Lockport gain when they pollute our city?

More tax revenue than we get now. and on what grounds do you claim that Cogent will be "polluting" our city? There are environmental and safety laws on this. they are transferring the oil not pouring on the ground. ever hear of something called E.P.A. and O.S.H.A.??? there are federal mandates requiring spill containment systems. more fear mongering.

3. Ask the councilmen whose side are they on Lockport or CoGent energy?

The question should be. Are you on the side of Jobs and progress for our city? or a few people promoting their own self interest?
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This week's Legend has another Cogent attack letter, complete with the usual mis-information about the project.

The writer states, "Phase I allows Cogent to transport bulk oil, from Canada, and store the oil in eight or more tanks on the Chevron site." In reality, Phase I calls for a facility that will receive crude oil by pipeline (no source specified), store it in no more than three tanks (not eight), and ship it out via barge on the canal.

The writer also states, " Phase II and III lets CoGent ship Tar Sand Oil by rail and barges into our community." How does this writer know exactly what will be in Cogent's possible future phases when Cogent has not submitted any proposals for future phases?

He goes on to rant about dropping property values, lowered quality of life and the west and north side of Lockport "will be thrown under the bus."

If and when Cogent submits proposals for future phases, Lockport can evaluate it on its merits and proceed accordingly; this attack letter serves only to misinform our residents about what really is happening.
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Jerry wrote:
This week's Legend has another Cogent attack letter, complete with the usual mis-information about the project.
The writer states, "Phase I allows Cogent to transport bulk oil, from Canada, and store the oil in eight or more tanks on the Chevron site." In reality, Phase I calls for a facility that will receive crude oil by pipeline (no source specified), store it in no more than three tanks (not eight), and ship it out via barge on the canal.
The writer also states, " Phase II and III lets CoGent ship Tar Sand Oil by rail and barges into our community." How does this writer know exactly what will be in Cogent's possible future phases when Cogent has not submitted any proposals for future phases?
He goes on to rant about dropping property values, lowered quality of life and the west and north side of Lockport "will be thrown under the bus."
If and when Cogent submits proposals for future phases, Lockport can evaluate it on its merits and proceed accordingly; this attack letter serves only to misinform our residents about what really is happening.
The only actual facts in John Johnson's letter are two words: Lockport and Cogent. There is nothing accurate in any part of his letter.

That's the problem with these CARE nuts. They make things up, talk among themselves, agree with their non facts and then agree that everything is true.

I heard Johnson's rant at Streit's town hall meeting. Johnson clearly has no idea what in the heck he actually opposes.
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Some of the people posting in this thread should ALSO be writing letters to the Legend with the FACTS they've presented here. Also, you already know their fear-mongering-propaganda "talking points", so any of you folks knowledgeable on this subject should have a list of FACTS to thwart their crapspew at any future meetings.

It's simple ying-yang, everyone that is PRO cogent should be offsetting each and every bit of CARE's misinformation to the public with FACTUAL information at every single turn. Just posting replies to their stupid letters here on this website is not enough....you are not reaching enough of the population.

This is the problem in SO many instances.....those with all the fear-mongering-propaganda are the noisiest while those with the TRUE FACTS remain quiet. SPEAK UP!! Be the voice of REASON!!

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