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Opponents seek to block Lockport oil pipeline

There are 134 comments on the The Herald-News story from May 22, 2013, titled Opponents seek to block Lockport oil pipeline. In it, The Herald-News reports that:

A Lockport-based environmental group wants to block an oil pipeline bridge that would deliver crude oil from storage tanks at the former Texaco refinery site to nearby barges.

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Hugo

Naperville, IL

#21 May 26, 2013
Maybe the C.A.R.E. memebers could move into an Amish community. If the Amish would accept them.
or maybe there might be an old Hippy commune some place, live "off the grid' Like do your own thing Man,

Peace
Fired by Texaaco

Lockport, IL

#22 May 26, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
I could also add, Plastic food packaging has made our food supply safer, Plastic jars and bottles are lighter and save energy to transport. Plastic bottles and jars don't shatter like glass reducing cuts from broken glass.
Investigate the backgrounds of why this group is against everything. Their husbands might hold the answer. It would not matter what went there, they would be against it.
Jerry

Lockport, IL

#23 May 27, 2013
So,the stuff coming from the CARE bunch really isn't about protecting the environment at all - its just a long-standing grudge against Texaco and Chevron. They just peddle their sob story to the Herald News every chance they get, and the paper prints it.
Ellis Wyatt

Schiller Park, IL

#24 May 27, 2013
Here is the next step,
I urge everyone that is in favor of the development contact the city and let them know you are in favor of it. write a letter to the editor in support of the project.

the importance is to get out leaders know that a very few people do not speak for all of us.
Jerry

Homer Glen, IL

#25 May 27, 2013
Jerry wrote:
So,the stuff coming from me, the local hillbilly hermaphrodite, really isn't about anything intelligent at all - its just a long-standing lust over our new mayor and the only female on the council. I just peddle my kinky sex stories to the Lockport, IL Topix every chance I get, and the website displays it.
So,the stuff coming from me, the local hillbilly hermaphrodite, really isn't about anything intelligent at all - its just a long-standing lust over our new mayor and the only female on the council. I just peddle my kinky sex stories to the Lockport, IL Topix every chance I get, and the website displays it.
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#26 May 28, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
C.A.R.E. has spoke of the evils of having the oil depot in town. Is oil really that Evil?
lets look at oil, Oil is much more than gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, so many products are made from oil that greatly improve our lives. materials like caulk and insulation that make our homes more energy efficient. some components of oil are use to make medicines. Aspirin is one example. Plastics made from oil are use in medical devices like artificial limbs and heart valves. disposable syringes help prevent the spread of communicable diseases.
The list could go on and on. Everything has a risk and benefit. the benefits of oil far outweigh the risks. modern technology keeps reducing those risks.
Now lets take a look at countries that don't have a good energy supply. in these countries people need to cook and usually need to keep warm at times. in these places the landscape generally gets De-forested by people cutting trees and large shrubs for fire wood. How is this good for the environment? In places like Bangladesh there have been mudslides that have buried entire villages because all the trees holding the soil on the hill sides had been harvested for fire wood and building material.
kerosene from oil replaced whale oil for lighting before the invention of electrical lighting. if not for oil ( kerosene ) whales would likely have been hunted to extinction.
Wind turbines and electric cars could not be built or maintained without oil and oil bases products.
We do need to use our natural resources like oil wisely.
The time is now and Lockport is the place for it.
Your analogies are inspiring...especially about those 3rd world countries using wood for fires and building shelters etc. Maybe they need to survive since they do not have a "good energy supply. I would also have you google or bing the search argument "pipeline breaks" and then ask those people living nearby how they felt ? Just asking ?? OH...and ALL those plastic bottles that folks use for their "pure" water...they really don't disappear when they get tossed in the garbage and overfill the landfills...(maybe next to your home). Then....when the landfills "fill up"...maybe they will but all the wonderful plastic on a barge and ship it to one of those 3rd world dumb countries ! Yeah...we need plastic and oil. Our country is sooooo smart we can't get off the black gold....and why...it's MONEY and tons of it. Let's see....BP (British) Shell (Dutch) Citgo (beloved Venezuela and close to home and a sitting councilman) and Cogent...partners with Canada. Agreed on the Texaco site....let's put it back to an oil site...not good for anything else...but then let's not think that Lockport will be anything more than an old refinery town....no more than that.

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Ellis Wyatt

Warrenville, IL

#27 May 28, 2013
Looks like you did not read everything,
I stated that everything has a risk and benefit.
yes a pipe line can break, that's why inspections and proper maintenance is needed. pipe lines are a much lower risk of accident than shipping by road rail or water.

Wonder if you have ever heard of something called recycling? Plastic is easily recycled. When recycled
it reduced what goes into landfills.

By replying to my post you are indeed using oil and oil products.
you computer would not exist with out oil products.

can you propose alternatives to oil without going back to a standard of living 150 years in our past?
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#28 May 28, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
Looks like you did not read everything,
I stated that everything has a risk and benefit.
yes a pipe line can break, that's why inspections and proper maintenance is needed. pipe lines are a much lower risk of accident than shipping by road rail or water.
Wonder if you have ever heard of something called recycling? Plastic is easily recycled. When recycled
it reduced what goes into landfills.
By replying to my post you are indeed using oil and oil products.
you computer would not exist with out oil products.
can you propose alternatives to oil without going back to a standard of living 150 years in our past?
Sir...I fully understand risk and reward with regard to business. I am NOT against oil or even pipelines. What I want people to do is look up pipeline breaks in the USA in the 21st century on the web...that's all. See for yourself what RISKS were ignored by many of these companies and the fact that they are occurring in droves ! In fact..in December of 2010....Lockport was subjected to one that affected a wetlands area. I also question a handfull of city councilmen making decisions about this issue with little or no competence about pipelines, oil tanks, etc. They have only the "word" of the people pitching this stuff that it will be "safe". Ask the folks in Louisiana when BP had their disaster. How about some of that 5W30 schrimp at the local eatery ??? These Multi-Billion dollar companies want to move this stuff around this great country...them let them PAY DEARLY to make their systems 110% safe when doing so...that's all ! A few measly bucks in tax revenue ain't worth millions of dollars in damages if one of these "pipelines" breaks. DO NOT take my word for it..do the research...YOU WILL BE AMAZED....it's not made up.
Ellis Wyatt

Naperville, IL

#29 May 28, 2013
You are sounding like a C.A.R.E. member.

The city council members do not have to be experts on oil distribution. The construction plans have to be submitted and approved by the involved Government agencies. It's like when the immediate was built at I-355 and rt 7 the city council did not have to know construction, The plans had to be submitted to the building department and building inspectors inspected that the construction met building codes.

for the oil pipeline it will also have to meet code
and be inspected when constructed.

please explain what a drilling accident in the gulf has to do with a pipeline in Lockport.
It's not the same. not eve close.
do you realize that the BP incident has and is still being studied to work to prevent a similar
type of accident.

Can air planes, trains, cars, or even Bicycles be made 110% safe? NO, but we work to make them as safe as reasonably possible.
same goes for pipelines. and again it's safer and with less risk than shipping by road, rail or water.

sounds like you are only against oil and pipe lines
when they are near you house.

you really do sound like a C.A.R.E. member.
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#30 May 29, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
You are sounding like a C.A.R.E. member.
The city council members do not have to be experts on oil distribution. The construction plans have to be submitted and approved by the involved Government agencies. It's like when the immediate was built at I-355 and rt 7 the city council did not have to know construction, The plans had to be submitted to the building department and building inspectors inspected that the construction met building codes.
for the oil pipeline it will also have to meet code
and be inspected when constructed.
please explain what a drilling accident in the gulf has to do with a pipeline in Lockport.
It's not the same. not eve close.
do you realize that the BP incident has and is still being studied to work to prevent a similar
type of accident.
Can air planes, trains, cars, or even Bicycles be made 110% safe? NO, but we work to make them as safe as reasonably possible.
same goes for pipelines. and again it's safer and with less risk than shipping by road, rail or water.
sounds like you are only against oil and pipe lines
when they are near you house.
you really do sound like a C.A.R.E. member.
Nope....not a member of anything. I just check into issues...like pipeline breaks. Everyone should do so...including you. One thing for sure...there were a huge number of "incidents" involving pipelines that caused MILLIONS in damages not to mention the damage to peoples lives due to poor maintenance and lack of safety measures by the owners and operators of these things. One thing for certain...there were more "pipeline incidents" than plane crashes...so your analogy about plane safety falls considerably short of reason when you compare the documented incidents where thousands of gallons of oil spilled for hours..even days before anything was done. Once again...LOOK UP THE DATA. The BP analogy I feel pertains...only on a much grander scale. BP was negligent...PERIOD....just like Enbridge..and the other documented breaks. Sorry...sitting council members ARE NOT pipeline engineers. They ALL should do their own DUE DILIGENCE on these pipeline issues so they can make an INFORMED decision for ALL their residents...not just what some attorney or company rep tells them. If they approve....after doing their homework...so be it...no problem. Just do the necessary work. I DO NOT believe in making pipelines "reasonably safe". That is UN-ACCEPTABLE. They have more than enough money to go beyond "reasonable" as far as safety goes. I do not live near the refinery property..nor would I ever. However....people DO live there and are concerned. If they are Care members...it is their right...and they should do what they feel is in their best interests. By the way...would you live near an airport ???? Just asking !
lockporter

Chicago, IL

#31 May 29, 2013
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-03/arka...

More than one month and residents cannot return to their homes. Exxon's efforts to cleanup the spill is pitiful and their profits rise every day. This industry cannot guarantee no spills, the least they could do is accept responsibility and spend the $$$$$ to clean up the land. Arkansas was a small spill, for real information talk to the folks in Valdez, AK for a life that isn't normal almost 3 decades after the spill. And the commenters on here want to make fun of local women who support a cause? make fun of their hair? You owe folks like this a big thank you for doing work you won't. Companies who destroy natural resources are not beholden to a community, oily their shareholders.
my two cents

Alsip, IL

#32 May 29, 2013
OK then, if you feel so strongly, don't use any oil
then maybe Exxon, BP, Mobil and the rest will all go out of business.
Ellis Wyatt

Naperville, IL

#33 May 29, 2013
Guess I have to explain this;
by reasonably safe I mean as safe as we can make thing based on the economic, technology and operation.

yes pipelines do some times leak
that's why they need inspections and maintenance like just about anything else.
Remember Homer Glen passing an ordnance that trees could not be trimmed on pipeline right of ways?
Very bad idea, you need access for inspection, maintenance and response in case of a leak.

So a pipeline in an industrial area is bad but no outcry about the pipeline running through Homer Glen? Sounds like we have some hypocrites here.

of course if there is an incident, the corporations have a responsibility to repair and clean up. and our Government is to oversee that it happens. maybe you really should be angry at the government.

Of course you want to be mad at the oil companies
wouldn't there be a much larger outcry if there was no gasoline to be had when you went to the gas station? Much of our gasoline supply travels through pipelines to oil terminals then by truck to the final destination

And mentioning Alaska, that was a tanker not a pipeline accident. while it got brought up.
new laws were enacted requiring double hulled tankers to reducing the chance of a similar incident.
Hardliner

Homer Glen, IL

#34 May 29, 2013
my two cents wrote:
OK then, if you feel so strongly, don't use any oil
then maybe Exxon, BP, Mobil and the rest will all go out of business.
Exxon Mobil has paid out great dividends to me over the years. They can do no wrong in my book:)
Ellis Wyatt

Naperville, IL

#35 May 29, 2013
good point, oil does create a lot of jobs and adds to the economy.

but if a few people had it their way we'd have job opportunities for blacksmiths, and people who make buggy whips and wooden wagon wheels.
Porter Place

Lockport, IL

#36 May 29, 2013
There are six gas stations in Lockport that store thousands of gallons of gasoline in underground tanks, each of which could potentially leak gasoline into the ground and contaminate our well water. We don't worry about it, because we know that the risk of that actually happening is negligible. Thousands of motorists (including the CARE bunch) pump gas into their cars in these six gas gas stations every day that could potentially spill some of that gas on the ground, but we don't seem worry about that either. We drive around town with that gas in our cars, but we are confident that our cars won't leak the gas and have it cause an environmental problem. But let Cogent propose a federally regulated crude oil depot in the Star Business Park, and suddenly the sky is falling. I don't get it.
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#37 May 30, 2013
Hardliner wrote:
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Exxon Mobil has paid out great dividends to me over the years. They can do no wrong in my book:)
Great ! I'm under-whelmed...nothing like someone who brags about money ! Still got time to go down to "looosiana" and get some of those 5W30 "BP shimps" !!!! Oh I forgot...you have "stock" in Exxon Mobil...so you better head up to Alaska for some of that 10W40 "sammon" !!!!!
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#38 May 30, 2013
my two cents wrote:
OK then, if you feel so strongly, don't use any oil
then maybe Exxon, BP, Mobil and the rest will all go out of business.
So what !! Then we can get all the gas we need back from India and China that we graciously sell them ! You know that mantra...."We do not want to be dependent on foreign oil" ! I know...I know....it's nothing personal...it's just business. By the way...this forum topic is concerning Cogent pipelines/barges etc.....not about "OIL"...OK. Lockport will NEVER see ANY of that oil anyway unless it spills out from a pipeline...which I'm told will never...could never....happen. As I keep saying.....I'm not AGAINST Cogent/EXXON/BP/Shell or baby oil ! What I would insist on is that these big buck companies spend some of that money they "earn" on every protection possible and maintenance to prevent breaks. One does not have to be a member of any group, society, club or organization to want that for this town and it's residents.
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#39 May 30, 2013
Porter Place wrote:
There are six gas stations in Lockport that store thousands of gallons of gasoline in underground tanks, each of which could potentially leak gasoline into the ground and contaminate our well water. We don't worry about it, because we know that the risk of that actually happening is negligible. Thousands of motorists (including the CARE bunch) pump gas into their cars in these six gas gas stations every day that could potentially spill some of that gas on the ground, but we don't seem worry about that either. We drive around town with that gas in our cars, but we are confident that our cars won't leak the gas and have it cause an environmental problem. But let Cogent propose a federally regulated crude oil depot in the Star Business Park, and suddenly the sky is falling. I don't get it.
Relax...take a nice drive....go fill up....the State needs that gas tax money anyway ! Federally "regulated".....now there is the biggest joke yet ! Maybe that Lipinski dude can expound on that topic !! I have to go....my gas-guzzler needs a fill-up !
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#40 May 30, 2013
Will County has more underground pipelines than most all US counties because our politician are the easiest to pay off through the years.

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