Time to note diversity of black vote

[Tom P]

Concerning today's column, pick any state's primary. The white vote is split 60/40 or thereabouts between Clinton and Obama. Showing Obama is enjoying broad white support. The black vote goes 90+ percent to Obama. Not against a republican, but against another democrat. DT Trice can obfuscate or sidestep the fact all you like, but blacks are voting along racial lines. Demonstrably so. You cannot have an honest 'dialog' with your readers until you face facts. Anything less is insulting them. DT Trice needs to start being honest with herself. BUT SHE IS GETTING WHAT SHE WANTS!!! The more she presses peoples buttons with her nonsense, the more those people respond. E-mails, these comments, etc. Those figures she takes to her editors and claims popularity. This whole discussion is about HER!!!!

[pamiety]

Bud wrote:

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Thanks JayC.
I never realized that since I'm a student at the University of Pittsburgh's main campus that Lyn Swann was black. Holy cr@p.
In my original post, I said, I know that blacks generally vote for the Democrat 90%. Did you read that original post?
My question was between Obama and Clinton, both of which have similar viewpoints on almost everything. Why are blacks voting for Obama v Clinton at such a disproportionate ratio?

Has anyone considered that blacks are voting gender as well?(we've never had a female candidate before) Remember black men received the right to vote before women. How about Sen Clinton has shown a side of herself that has been damaging. Policies play apart in decision making. Maybe the blacks as well as whites like him better? Don't try to base the black vote on just race because we are far more complex then that.

[Keith C]

Harrisson wrote:

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I could point you to a link showing Clinton's documented (eyewitness-verified) use of racial slurs, and her refusal to admit it or to apologize, and point that out as a severe character issue....
and yet you'd continue to insist that only black favoritism (or racism) can explain black voters' overwhelming avoidance of her.
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Please, point me to the link. And while you're at it, point me to the link where Obama apologized for his racial slur "she's a typical white person". Never mind his "bitter" comments. Do you consider these "severe character issue(s)" for Obama as you do for Hillary?

But despite Obama's racial slur against white people, white people haven't abandoned him and voted for the white candidate by a 93% margin! So with which group is racism playing a larger role?

[Keith C]

pamiety wrote:

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Has anyone considered that blacks are voting gender as well?... Don't try to base the black vote on just race because we are far more complex then that.

Very good point - the overwhelming black support for Obama could also be based on sexism. Sexism is certainly alive and well in America - is it that much greater with blacks?

No one claims that "just" race is guiding the vote of black people. But given that the two candidates platforms are so similar and the 90% or 93% figure, it's evident that racism is a major reason blacks are voting for Obama. Sexism may also be a major factor. But whatever it is, it's a much more significant factor with blacks than whites.

What I find interesting is that as far as I can tell, while most whites on this forum acknowledge the racism of white people, it seems that most blacks here are in denial (not all, most!!). That's interesting because on the face of it, black racism seems to be playing a greater role in voting than it is for whites !!

Whats up with that? Could it be that part which you deny in yourself controls you???

so it goes....

[Real Republican]

jenny623 wrote:

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Blacks have been voting for white candidates for years, and suddenly they are racists for voting for Obama? Its insulting. Maybe they like his message, and he is from the party they chose. This is unbelievable. Plus, to say whites vote across the color line is unrealistic too. Whites don't have a lot of other races to choose from, whites dominate all categories. This is the first time there has been a viable black candidate, and all I hear from whites are how racist blacks are for voting for him. 90% blacks will not put anyone one the whitehouse, blacks don't make up that much of the population for people to be so sensitive about how they vote. Also, the media makes a point of making it a black white issue. They know this plays into white fears.

^^^^We Republicans have always suspected Democrats have never been good at basic math. Blacks are the biggest racists in the country. Personally I think it is a good thing, us white redneck racists are now at level playing field with the black racists.

[Real Republican]

pamiety wrote:

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If you are the best republicans have on these boards McCain will never get elected. So keep doing the stand-up job that you're doing
OBAMA '08'

Most Republicans don't like McCain for policy reasons, and not because he's a mick, like some black racists.*thumbs behind*

[pamiety]

Keith C wrote:

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Very good point - the overwhelming black support for Obama could also be based on sexism. Sexism is certainly alive and well in America - is it that much greater with blacks?
No one claims that "just" race is guiding the vote of black people. But given that the two candidates platforms are so similar and the 90% or 93% figure, it's evident that racism is a major reason blacks are voting for Obama. Sexism may also be a major factor. But whatever it is, it's a much more significant factor with blacks than whites.
What I find interesting is that as far as I can tell, while most whites on this forum acknowledge the racism of white people, it seems that most blacks here are in denial (not all, most!!). That's interesting because on the face of it, black racism seems to be playing a greater role in voting than it is for whites !!
Whats up with that? Could it be that part which you deny in yourself controls you???
so it goes....

First I'm a democrat. When Sen Clinton first hinted about the White House I was pro-Clinton. Her husband first term was the first election I was able to vote for. Yes I voted based on my parents' decision and MTV. The second term I was out of college and I was doing well had/have a good job.
I'm in my late 30's and I have different issues now. I now base my decisions on different issues. I now see things in her that I'm not quite liking. I believe her to be a ruthless candidate.(JMO) She makes false claims of experience that she doesn't have. I don't doubt her intellect but some of her quirks are bothersome. She supported NAFTA, she supported the war and I need for someone to take a stand even if it goes against the grain. Maybe I gone off-topic a bit anyway...
Why, when I brought the gender issue into the dynamics it becomes sexism? Is it sexism when women vote Clinton just based on her gender? My parents are Clinton supporters does that mean ageism?
I am a black woman however I can't answer your question about why it seems we(black people) are voting for him due to his race. Hopefully I was able to explain why he is my candidate. I am only one person and one vote. We as blacks are always categorize in a group when we all are individuals. I don't judge whites based on some of the incendiary comments made by some of the whites on these threads. I am able to separate the differences.

[Lil Ticked]

Harrisson wrote:

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Why? First because I already have a pair. Second, because I'm not one of Your Black Friends! LOL!
Seriously, the idea that if Rev. Al Sharpton were running for the Dem presidential nomination, I'd be all fired up about him because he's.... BLACK!!! is pretty stupid.
Because when he tried it in 2004, I DIDN'T support his goofy a$$. I was a Dean supporter, and finally a Kerry supporter. Rev. Sharpton does good work as an agitator and civil rights advocate, yes, but I don't think that qualifies him to occupy the Oval Office.
So I didn't support him. Or even get excited about his candidacy. Understand??
So much for your magic black-mind-reading-skills, eh? LOL Really, you need to think of blacks as a group of individuals, with varying motivations, interests and powers of reasoning.
To do anything less, makes you the sort of bigot you probably insist you are not. Quit trying to insist that black folks are too dumb to think about ANYTHING OTHER THAN SKIN COLOR when a black man is in the race.
Think about how profoundingly insulting that is to all the black people in the USA who are NOT as simple as the friends you have.

WOW! I am humbled by your response. I completely retract the Jerkface comment. YAY!

[Harrisson]

Bud wrote:

...Basically, as a fiscal conservative and social moderate, I can't see him doing great things for this country. His tax plan will hurt the middle-class, which will in turn drive our economy to lower and lower numbers. Pulling out of Iraq is an awful idea as it will lead to even more sectarian violence....

How can readers take you seriously when you're lying to yourself, Bud??

You call yourself a "fiscal conservative" in one breath and then in the next breadth say that "pulling out of Iraq is an awful idea because it will lead to even more sectarian violence." Huh???

Please tell me you're not majoring in Finance or Economics? LOL! True fiscal conservatives don't believe in spending (est.)$3 Trillion of debt-financed taxpayer funds on a contrived war supposedly to confront the threat of non-existent WMDs.

Along with old man McCain, you're simply living in dreamland. Time to wake up!!

[Stop Hating]

Louisiana Democrat Don Cazayoux won a U.S. House seat that Republicans had held for more than 20 years a month ago and now Democrat Travis Childers has won a U.S. House of Representatives seat in a special election in Mississippi.

Vice President Dick Cheney and the state's Republican governor campaigned against Childers in a district considered safe territory in part because it voted heavily for U.S. President George W. Bush in 2004.

Advertisements run for Davis in this conservative part of the country attempted to link Childers to Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner for the Democratic just like in Louisiana.

Once again this backfired on the Republicans. Attacking Barak Obama just reignited voters to get up from their seats and vote against Republicans. Obama will win Mississippi which is made up of 40% blacks, Virginia, Missouri and other states. Us whites in the West Coast will do our work also by voting against the Republicans who like to put our country into debt, love the Iraq war and have ruin our economy.

No to Republicans!!!!!

[Harrisson]

Keith C wrote:

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Please, point me to the link. And while you're at it, point me to the link where Obama apologized for his racial slur "she's a typical white person". Never mind his "bitter" comments....

* Here is the link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_election_race/St...

* I will NOT point you to any link for an Obama apology for the simple reason that Obama's remark about his grandma is not a "racial slur."

Rather it's a manufactured or imaginary "slur" that you've pulled out of thin air; you will find no educated, reputable authority of American English, or of civil rights advocacy, or anti-discrimination activism, who will classify that as a "racial slur." No, Rush Limbaugh does not count as an authority, nor does Sean Hannity, or the local forklift driver at your neighborhood lumber yard with a Confederate flag on his coffee mug.

Please stop playing childish games with the very serious issue of racism. For the REAL victims of anti-white, racist hate crimes (involving verbal assaults as well as beatings or shootings), you are simply trivializing their suffering. Try to be serious.

Keith C wrote:

...Do you consider these "severe character issue(s)" for Obama as you do for Hillary?

No - for the reasons given above.

Keith C wrote:

...But despite Obama's racial slur against white people, white people haven't abandoned him and voted for the white candidate by a 93% margin! So with which group is racism playing a larger role?

Since you have NO credible evidence that Obama made a racial slur against whites, the whole premise of your question collapses.

Try another more serious query.

[jenny623]

But I saw whites in West Virginia being interviewed and admitting they won't vote for a black man. He doesn't connect with them was the other excuse, and a polite way of saying they don't connect with the black candidate. She won by 67%, and not a peep out of the media about whites coming out of the exit polls voting for her. So if you don't care about who votes for who, why do you and the media focus on who the blacks vote for? West Virginia is a good argument about whites voting for one of their own and nothing being noted about it in the media.

Rational Man wrote:

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?? I doubt Obama skipped WV because he felt unwelcome (which would be tantamount to saying he was afraid to go there -- which a candidate could never admit!) And watch the vote -- see what the percentage is for Hillary and what it is for Obama. I'd bet a lot that Hillary won't get 95% of the white vote. Probably be 60 - 40, or thereabouts.
But that isn't my point.
Anyone can vote for ANY candidate for ANY reason. If you want to vote for Obama because he is black, fine.(Of course, if a white voter admitted he was votig against Obama because he was a black, that would make him a racist.)
My only issue is the failure of folks to admit why they choose Obama -- or make up a lot of reasons that really boil down to: He's black. If that is your reason for choosing him, fine. It is your vote, and you get to make those choices.
But don't say it isn't race based. And next time you here someone say they won't vote for a black (or hispanic, or jew, or whatever) because of what they are, don't be so quick to call that person a racist. They have the same right as you.
So, either a person that votes for Obama because he is black IS a racist.... or a person who votes against Obama because he is Black is NOT a racist. You can't have it both ways.

[hammerdown]

If we had two Negroes running we could put a stop to this silly bickering.

[Rational Man]

jenny623 wrote:

But I saw whites in West Virginia being interviewed and admitting they won't vote for a black man. He doesn't connect with them was the other excuse, and a polite way of saying they don't connect with the black candidate. She won by 67%, and not a peep out of the media about whites coming out of the exit polls voting for her. So if you don't care about who votes for who, why do you and the media focus on who the blacks vote for? West Virginia is a good argument about whites voting for one of their own and nothing being noted about it in the media.
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The polls also show that 26% of whites voted for a black candidate. You really can't say that about (in general) about blacks voting for a white candidate when there is a choice by color.

Like I said, I don't care who you vote for, or the reason. I just get tired of the same old mantra that blacks aren't voting for Obama because he is black. Many are. And I already said that I expect many whites won't vote for Obama because he is black. The whites get called racist, but the blacks are just showing solidarity! Like I said, you can't have it both ways. Whether you vote for or against a candidate because of their color, it is racist.

[Uncle Ben]

Blacks voting for Obama because he is half black doesn't show diversity to me!!!

Screw you all!!!

[TCole]

I'm a Black Chicagoan who happens to be a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter. 90% of black people cannot all have the same beliefs, but I feel that I'm in a unique position to agree with those saying the blacks voting for Barak are doing so because of the color of his skin. I have regularly held debates with my colleagues regarding the reasons they are supporting Barak. Many times they are unable to articulate even individual policies of his they agree with. Ridiculous! If Clinton doesn't win the nomination I will write her in. Not ALL blacks support Obama. Just remember that.

[Harrisson]

Rational Man wrote:

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The polls also show that 26% of whites voted for a black candidate. You really can't say that about (in general) about blacks voting for a white candidate when there is a choice by color.
Like I said, I don't care who you vote for, or the reason. I just get tired of the same old mantra that blacks aren't voting for Obama because he is black. Many are.

Man! Based on the last 3 sentences of the quote above, you are SO retarded. Or maybe just dishonest. Or maybe you just can't grasp logic very well.

Suppose I left the courtroom after Charles Manson was denied his request for parole for the umpteenth time. And I looked into the video camera and announced:

"Like I said, I don't care who you believe should be paroled, or the reason. I just get tired of the same old mantra that whites aren't vicious serial killers. Many are."

Huh????? "Many" = All whites?? Or is it 'some'= All?? Is that the deal? If not, then WHAT is the announcer trying to say?

LOL! Obviously a slam is being attempted - it just rests on very shaky grounds and that's what you're being called on, Non-Rational Man.

[Harrisson]

TCole wrote:

I'm a Black Chicagoan who happens to be a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter. 90% of black people cannot all have the same beliefs, but I feel that I'm in a unique position to agree with those saying the blacks voting for Barak are doing so because of the color of his skin. I have regularly held debates with my colleagues regarding the reasons they are supporting Barak. Many times they are unable to articulate even individual policies of his they agree with.

Ridiculous! If Clinton doesn't win the nomination I will write her in. Not ALL blacks support Obama. Just remember that.

TCole, if nobody even said that "ALL blacks support Obama," why are you even wasting your breath?

To impress upon white folks that blacks are a group of individuals? Probably not needed since so many of the ones posting here constantly repeat "90% of blacks..." "90% of blacks..." "90% of blacks..." "90% of blacks..." like a parrot on meth.

OBVIOUSLY you're part of the 10% of blacks whom they respect. Right? Or maybe I should truncate that statement to "OBVIOUSLY you're part of the 10% of non-Obama-supporting blacks." ;o)

If the message is for us, okay that's fine. Personally I was fully aware that some blacks don't support Obama. You see, I learned from my parents that we are a group of thinking individuals with free will and divergent IQs and interests.... not a massive, asteroid-sized chunk of black coal.

[jenny623]

Harrisson wrote:

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TCole, if nobody even said that "ALL blacks support Obama," why are you even wasting your breath?
To impress upon white folks that blacks are a group of individuals? Probably not needed since so many of the ones posting here constantly repeat "90% of blacks..." "90% of blacks..." "90% of blacks..." "90% of blacks..." like a parrot on meth.
OBVIOUSLY you're part of the 10% of blacks whom they respect. Right? Or maybe I should truncate that statement to "OBVIOUSLY you're part of the 10% of non-Obama-supporting blacks." ;o)
If the message is for us, okay that's fine. Personally I was fully aware that some blacks don't support Obama. You see, I learned from my parents that we are a group of thinking individuals with free will and divergent IQs and interests.... not a massive, asteroid-sized chunk of black coal.

So true. If 90% of the blacks voted for Clinton, they would say blacks are looking for handouts. When Jesse Jackson ran, some people were so angry that blacks didn't support him. The blacks didn't pull together. Blacks pulled for Bill Clinton, and it got them very little. No Bill's fault, but he was dealing with a congress that didn't want to support him or his programs. Now Obama appears on the scene and he's more unifying and all I hear is blacks are voting skin color. Meanwhile, West Virginians voted skin color and not a peep out of the media. Do they think people are blind and stupid? We know the media taunts how black voters support Obama, and not a peep about white voters and Hillary.

[jenny623]

TCole wrote:

I'm a Black Chicagoan who happens to be a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter. 90% of black people cannot all have the same beliefs, but I feel that I'm in a unique position to agree with those saying the blacks voting for Barak are doing so because of the color of his skin. I have regularly held debates with my colleagues regarding the reasons they are supporting Barak. Many times they are unable to articulate even individual policies of his they agree with. Ridiculous! If Clinton doesn't win the nomination I will write her in. Not ALL blacks support Obama. Just remember that.

It doesn't matter who you support. Some people prefer the comfort of believing all blacks support Obama. You can't please a racist. You can't convince a racist. Just vote for who you are comfortable with and don't look for approval.