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Bruce
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Belief in the supernatural is a American as appe pie. After all, the vast majority of Americans believe God is interested in what they wear and who they have sex with.
Psychics and dowsers and mediums and priests are all charlatans cut from the same cloth: gullibility, ignorance and good old fashioned stupidity.
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Huh
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expat wrote: Maybe you should all take the time to read the story and not just the headlines as it clearly states that the "psychic" in question offered his services free of charge. If it can help who cares how they solve the case? I notice this appears to be an issue with most readers reponses. A lot of readers tend not to read and absorb the story. Then they feel they need to add a knee jerk comment. Take a look at yesterdays Belle Gunness Article.
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Juan Ramirez Garcia
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OK, OK !!! Friday's Big Lotto winning numbers, please. Thanks !!! Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text>
Wow, how closed minded can you get? Why don't you irrationally close minded people ever think that perhaps at the base of psychic phenomena is solid science? I guess it just scares you too much to think about it.
I have been able to give many people readings over the years, and no, I have never charged anyone a dime, nor have I accepted any money. About 90% of the time I was right on target. That's a lot better than chance would allow for. I think there is a simple scientific explanation, if only close minded people such as yourself would allow legitimate science to look for one without all your derision.
Hey, you know people can operate computers with their mind these days? I bet you thought that was a hoodoo fraud, too, didn't you? Well, it turns out science has been able to effectively translate the electrical impulses in the human brain into actual solid thought. Seeing as many other animals possess the ability to sense these impulses, who is to say that some human beings aren't able to do it as well? And if a computer can translate impulses into thought, who says the human brain can't?
It's all about keeping your mind open to the possibilities of science. I was once able to tell someone how their mother died, what she was wearing in her funeral, who sang, what they sang, and how they sang it.(Acapella) Now how else would you explain that except to say that perhaps I somehow sensed what was in her mind?
Open your minds, otherwise you're just as bad as the catholic church in Galileo's time.
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Dave
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expat wrote: Maybe you should all take the time to read the story and not just the headlines as it clearly states that the "psychic" in question offered his services free of charge. If it can help who cares how they solve the case? The "psychic" volunteers to do a free reading for the government and after the coroner is stupid enough to agree, they can advertise the fact to their paying "clients". It isn't exactly rocket science. And unless Doerr killed her, he can't help solve the case. Guaranteed.
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Dave
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: And if a computer can translate impulses into thought, who says the human brain can't? Dumbest. Sentence. Ever. And look deep into your crystal ball and see if you can tell which finger I'm holding up in your direction...
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kali
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Am I reading the National Enquirer?
Eenie menie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak...
and then ask her about Tracy Peterson.
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spot the dog
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text>
Wow, how closed minded can you get? Why don't you irrationally close minded people ever think that perhaps at the base of psychic phenomena is solid science? I guess it just scares you too much to think about it.
I have been able to give many people readings over the years, and no, I have never charged anyone a dime, nor have I accepted any money. About 90% of the time I was right on target. That's a lot better than chance would allow for. I think there is a simple scientific explanation, if only close minded people such as yourself would allow legitimate science to look for one without all your derision.
Hey, you know people can operate computers with their mind these days? I bet you thought that was a hoodoo fraud, too, didn't you? Well, it turns out science has been able to effectively translate the electrical impulses in the human brain into actual solid thought. Seeing as many other animals possess the ability to sense these impulses, who is to say that some human beings aren't able to do it as well? And if a computer can translate impulses into thought, who says the human brain can't?
It's all about keeping your mind open to the possibilities of science. I was once able to tell someone how their mother died, what she was wearing in her funeral, who sang, what they sang, and how they sang it.(Acapella) Now how else would you explain that except to say that perhaps I somehow sensed what was in her mind?
Open your minds, otherwise you're just as bad as the catholic church in Galileo's time. When you seek knowledge without the use of reason or the investigation of evidence you are on dangerous ground and are playing with evil. Truth stands on it's own and does not need supernatural miracles to prove itself. It's wonderful to have a trusting nature. However,miraculous signs and wonders can be counterfeited. Feelings can accompany faith but they never alone determine it. Truth establishes faith and not the reverse. Buy the way, can you name the cases in which your psychics were totally correct in solving the cases out of the total of which they were asked to solve? My point is most psychics are less than 2% right and than are credited with much more success than is deserved. Even you stated so. Were not as bad as the church in the dark ages. I won't put you to a stake and alight the woodbundles. I will just leave you alone to your ownself. You will take care of the rest.
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Pscientific Psychic
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Juan Ramirez Garcia wrote: OK, OK !!!
Friday's Big Lotto winning numbers, please.
Thanks !!!
<quoted text> See, if you are seeing psychic phenomena in a scientific view, you know that noone can tell the future. Therefore asking for the lottery numbers is nonsense. But if you think that you should be able to go to a true psychic, and they should be able to tell you roughly what you are thinking/feeling (keep in mind psychics are humans and not computers, therefore there is some element of variability in answers) then you would be looking at it scientifically. There are many things in this universe we have a very limited understanding of. Time travel. Dark matter. Antimatter. Origins. Even the time space continuum isn't what we once thought it was. Why should emerging neurology and biology be any different? I can't convince anyone who refuses to open their mind. But I can tell you that science can only advance when people are willing to confront the unknown not with fear or derision, but with determination to understand.
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daryl
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text>
Wow, how closed minded can you get? Why don't you irrationally close minded people ever think that perhaps at the base of psychic phenomena is solid science? I guess it just scares you too much to think about it.
I have been able to give many people readings over the years, and no, I have never charged anyone a dime, nor have I accepted any money. About 90% of the time I was right on target. That's a lot better than chance would allow for. I think there is a simple scientific explanation, if only close minded people such as yourself would allow legitimate science to look for one without all your derision.
Hey, you know people can operate computers with their mind these days? I bet you thought that was a hoodoo fraud, too, didn't you? Well, it turns out science has been able to effectively translate the electrical impulses in the human brain into actual solid thought. Seeing as many other animals possess the ability to sense these impulses, who is to say that some human beings aren't able to do it as well? And if a computer can translate impulses into thought, who says the human brain can't?
It's all about keeping your mind open to the possibilities of science. I was once able to tell someone how their mother died, what she was wearing in her funeral, who sang, what they sang, and how they sang it.(Acapella) Now how else would you explain that except to say that perhaps I somehow sensed what was in her mind?
Open your minds, otherwise you're just as bad as the catholic church in Galileo's time. Solid science at the base of "psychic phenomena?" Please. If you really think you are a psychic, follow this link and make yourself a million dollars: http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info.html When offered to take this challenge, a lot of frauds say they do not need or want the money. Then give it to a charity. Anonymously, if you want. Just take the challenge. You stated, "I think there is a simple scientific explanation, if only close minded people such as yourself would allow legitimate science to look for one without all your derision." Well, here is your scientific examination. Take the challenge.
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Pscientific Psychic
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spot the dog wrote: <quoted text>
When you seek knowledge without the use of reason or the investigation of evidence you are on dangerous ground and are playing with evil. Truth stands on it's own and does not need supernatural miracles to prove itself. It's wonderful to have a trusting nature. However,miraculous signs and wonders can be counterfeited. Feelings can accompany faith but they never alone determine it. Truth establishes faith and not the reverse.
Buy the way, can you name the cases in which your psychics were totally correct in solving the cases out of the total of which they were asked to solve? My point is most psychics
are less than 2% right and than are credited with much more success than is deserved. Even you stated so.
Were not as bad as the church in the dark ages. I won't put you to a stake and alight the woodbundles. I will just leave you alone to your ownself. You will take care of the rest. Actually, you are wrong one two counts: 1. If you see a "magic" trick, will you assume that it is actual supernatural magic? I won't! And I think most people are like me, we would look for a logical explanation. This is not being trusting. It is being logical. So if I have experienced psychic phenomena, then why should I assume it's some sort of magic? It's not. I do not believe in magic. There HAS to be a logical, scientific explanation. And since I am the one who experienced the event, I know that explanation is not some sort of chicanery. That leads me to look for other scientific reasons for the event. 2. I have actually done this for free for quite some time for the exclusive purpose of translating experience to numbers. For instance, I can tell a person 10 things about themselves, what they are thinking, a past experience, ect- things that I should not be able to know using my known five senses- and then if I get one wrong and nine right, then I know I have a 90% accuracy rate. Then again, it all depends on how accurate the answers were. Was one answer only 50% accurate? These are things I take into account when I test my accuracy rate. I'm not in this for the money. I am in it for the scientific inquiry. Therefore there is no underlying scheme to pretend I am more accurate than I actually am. My approach is actually a lot more rational than the majority who have expressed their views here. It's simple logic.
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Pscientific Psychic
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daryl wrote: <quoted text> Solid science at the base of "psychic phenomena?" Please. If you really think you are a psychic, follow this link and make yourself a million dollars: http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info.html When offered to take this challenge, a lot of frauds say they do not need or want the money. Then give it to a charity. Anonymously, if you want. Just take the challenge. You stated, "I think there is a simple scientific explanation, if only close minded people such as yourself would allow legitimate science to look for one without all your derision." Well, here is your scientific examination. Take the challenge. Actually, the real scam is this website. The University of Utah, University of Arizona Phoenix, and the University of Wisconsin Madison have all done studies involving psychic phenomena which have proven that it does exist. What's more, these were peer reviewed studies, and held up under a lot of criticism. Do you really think the owner of this website paid a million dollars? Of course not! When confronted with irrefutable evidence, the owner of this particular website STILL refused to pay. Why should be pay for something he refuses to believe even when it is presented in a peer reviewed scientific study? He would rather come up with his own studies which are false and do not take into account the biological causes of psychic phenomena. He knows his own studies won't come up with anything. That's the intent with which he wrote them. It's something like telling Einstein to create a time machine. Even though it is theoretically possible, and proven mathematically true, coming up with the physical prototype a ridiculous thing to ask. But asking scientists to continue studying the theory of Relativity is not ridiculous. It requires an open mind. Really, I am surprised that more people don't have the simple logic to understand these things!
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daryl
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text>
See, if you are seeing psychic phenomena in a scientific view, you know that noone can tell the future. Therefore asking for the lottery numbers is nonsense. But if you think that you should be able to go to a true psychic, and they should be able to tell you roughly what you are thinking/feeling (keep in mind psychics are humans and not computers, therefore there is some element of variability in answers) then you would be looking at it scientifically.
There are many things in this universe we have a very limited understanding of. Time travel. Dark matter. Antimatter. Origins. Even the time space continuum isn't what we once thought it was. Why should emerging neurology and biology be any different?
I can't convince anyone who refuses to open their mind. But I can tell you that science can only advance when people are willing to confront the unknown not with fear or derision, but with determination to understand. You are right about there being many things in the universe that we know little or nothing about, but psychic ability is not one of them. It simply does not exist. You stated: "But if you think that you should be able to go to a true psychic, and they should be able to tell you roughly what you are thinking/feeling (keep in mind psychics are humans and not computers, therefore there is some element of variability in answers) then you would be looking at it scientifically." That's just ridiculous, and is certainly not "looking at it scientifically." So-called psychic ability has been examined scientifically many, many times. There is not a shred of evidence that it exists.
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daryl
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text>
Actually, the real scam is this website.
The University of Utah, University of Arizona Phoenix, and the University of Wisconsin Madison have all done studies involving psychic phenomena which have proven that it does exist. What's more, these were peer reviewed studies, and held up under a lot of criticism. Do you really think the owner of this website paid a million dollars? Of course not! When confronted with irrefutable evidence, the owner of this particular website STILL refused to pay. Why should be pay for something he refuses to believe even when it is presented in a peer reviewed scientific study? He would rather come up with his own studies which are false and do not take into account the biological causes of psychic phenomena. He knows his own studies won't come up with anything. That's the intent with which he wrote them. It's something like telling Einstein to create a time machine. Even though it is theoretically possible, and proven mathematically true, coming up with the physical prototype a ridiculous thing to ask. But asking scientists to continue studying the theory of Relativity is not ridiculous. It requires an open mind.
Really, I am surprised that more people don't have the simple logic to understand these things! Peer-reviewed studies that prove it exists? Nonsense. Post sources, please.
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Dave
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text>
Actually, you are wrong one two counts:
1. If you see a "magic" trick, will you assume that it is actual supernatural magic? I won't! And I think most people are like me, we would look for a logical explanation. This is not being trusting. It is being logical. So if I have experienced psychic phenomena, then why should I assume it's some sort of magic? It's not. I do not believe in magic. There HAS to be a logical, scientific explanation. And since I am the one who experienced the event, I know that explanation is not some sort of chicanery. That leads me to look for other scientific reasons for the event.
2. I have actually done this for free for quite some time for the exclusive purpose of translating experience to numbers. For instance, I can tell a person 10 things about themselves, what they are thinking, a past experience, ect- things that I should not be able to know using my known five senses- and then if I get one wrong and nine right, then I know I have a 90% accuracy rate. Then again, it all depends on how accurate the answers were. Was one answer only 50% accurate? These are things I take into account when I test my accuracy rate.
I'm not in this for the money. I am in it for the scientific inquiry. Therefore there is no underlying scheme to pretend I am more accurate than I actually am.
My approach is actually a lot more rational than the majority who have expressed their views here. It's simple logic. Please stop trying to use the words scientific, rational, and logic. You have absolutely no idea what they mean.
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spot the dog
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text>
Actually, you are wrong one two counts:
1. If you see a "magic" trick, will you assume that it is actual supernatural magic? I won't! And I think most people are like me, we would look for a logical explanation. This is not being trusting. It is being logical. So if I have experienced psychic phenomena, then why should I assume it's some sort of magic? It's not. I do not believe in magic. There HAS to be a logical, scientific explanation. And since I am the one who experienced the event, I know that explanation is not some sort of chicanery. That leads me to look for other scientific reasons for the event.
2. I have actually done this for free for quite some time for the exclusive purpose of translating experience to numbers. For instance, I can tell a person 10 things about themselves, what they are thinking, a past experience, ect- things that I should not be able to know using my known five senses- and then if I get one wrong and nine right, then I know I have a 90% accuracy rate. Then again, it all depends on how accurate the answers were. Was one answer only 50% accurate? These are things I take into account when I test my accuracy rate.
I'm not in this for the money. I am in it for the scientific inquiry. Therefore there is no underlying scheme to pretend I am more accurate than I actually am.
My approach is actually a lot more rational than the majority who have expressed their views here. It's simple logic. So which are you attempting on me? A parlor trick with math and logic or your experience with psychic energy with an unexplained source of knowledge? Again, truth stands on it's own and does not need miracles. Lying signs and wonders are given to endlessly fascinate finite human minds. Truth establishes faith not the other way around. Talk to dead people lately? Do you hear voices? Some people, places and things just should not be investigated. You don't wander down dark alleys in strange neighborhoods do you? So do not ask me to either.
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Pscientific Psychic
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daryl wrote: <quoted text>
You are right about there being many things in the universe that we know little or nothing about, but psychic ability is not one of them. It simply does not exist.
You stated: "But if you think that you should be able to go to a true psychic, and they should be able to tell you roughly what you are thinking/feeling (keep in mind psychics are humans and not computers, therefore there is some element of variability in answers) then you would be looking at it scientifically."
That's just ridiculous, and is certainly not "looking at it scientifically." So-called psychic ability has been examined scientifically many, many times. There is not a shred of evidence that it exists. Ok, so if you acknowledge that there are many things in this universe we don't understand, then what is so hard about admitting that psychic phenomena may just be one of them? About your "shred" of evidence, why do you so quickly discount the university backed studies I listed to you? Open your mind!
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Pscientific Psychic
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spot the dog wrote: <quoted text>
So which are you attempting on me? A parlor trick with math and logic or your experience with psychic energy with an unexplained source of knowledge? Again, truth stands on it's own and does not need miracles.
Lying signs and wonders are given to endlessly fascinate finite human minds. Truth establishes faith not the other way around. Talk to dead people lately? Do you hear voices?
Some people, places and things just should not be investigated. You don't wander down dark alleys in strange neighborhoods do you? So do not ask me to either. Listen, this has nothing to do with faith. Don't you realize by now that science has nothing to do with faith? It is simple science. And no, I don't talk to the dead. I don't believe in that. But I have clearly experienced what others may call ESP, or just a little beyond the normal range of our five senses. And what's more, it's not that extraordinary. About those sources, here they are: University of Arizona Phoenix: "Mind over Matter", Authored by Dr's Harlan and Brandly, peer reviewed in the Journal of Psychology, issue 147 page 82, 10-17-97. University of Utah, "Beyond The Five Senses", authored by Dr. Len Blair, PhD. World Medicine, Jan 19, 1999. University of Wisconsin, did a study in 2004, can't find what the study was called, but I know it was in American Journal of Medicine sometime in 2006. You'll have to go to the library to find these articles as they are online, but you have to either be a member of one of the participating universities, or have student access. The only other website where just anyone can get them is https://weblogin.asu.edu/cgi-bin/login... And I think you have to have a username for that as well. But if you're really interested in any further study than a mouse click, you can find pretty much any of these papers in your local library.
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Dave
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: About those sources, here they are:
University of Arizona Phoenix: "Mind over Matter", Authored by Dr's Harlan and Brandly, peer reviewed in the Journal of Psychology, issue 147 page 82, 10-17-97.
University of Utah, "Beyond The Five Senses", authored by Dr. Len Blair, PhD. World Medicine, Jan 19, 1999.
University of Wisconsin, did a study in 2004, can't find what the study was called, but I know it was in American Journal of Medicine sometime in 2006. 1. Well, the Journal of Psychology was publishing volume 131 in 1997, not 147, the current volume is only 142, and they don't publish issues in October. 2. There's no journal titled "World Medicine". 3. I'm not flipping through an entire year of AJM for an article that either a) doesn't exist or b) doesn't conclude what you think it does. 4. Wanna try again, Kreskin?
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concerned
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text>
Wow, how closed minded can you get? Why don't you irrationally close minded people ever think that perhaps at the base of psychic phenomena is solid science? I guess it just scares you too much to think about it.
I have been able to give many people readings over the years, and no, I have never charged anyone a dime, nor have I accepted any money. About 90% of the time I was right on target. That's a lot better than chance would allow for. I think there is a simple scientific explanation, if only close minded people such as yourself would allow legitimate science to look for one without all your derision.
Hey, you know people can operate computers with their mind these days? I bet you thought that was a hoodoo fraud, too, didn't you? Well, it turns out science has been able to effectively translate the electrical impulses in the human brain into actual solid thought. Seeing as many other animals possess the ability to sense these impulses, who is to say that some human beings aren't able to do it as well? And if a computer can translate impulses into thought, who says the human brain can't?
It's all about keeping your mind open to the possibilities of science. I was once able to tell someone how their mother died, what she was wearing in her funeral, who sang, what they sang, and how they sang it.(Acapella) Now how else would you explain that except to say that perhaps I somehow sensed what was in her mind?
Open your minds, otherwise you're just as bad as the catholic church in Galileo's time. Other people have already commented on your faulty use of "scientific", "rational", etc. IŽll just add that the way you point to the legitimate scientific achievement of translating brain impulses into movement of a computer mouse is misleading. You fall just short of calling it telekinesis. I believe there is where you part ways with science. You may want to use your otherwise admirable open-mindedness to look inwards and re-examine how you structure your scientific knowledge. YouŽve come far in your efforts, just stay rigorous and you will reach the rational and truly scientific conclusions you strive for.
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spot the dog
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Pscientific Psychic wrote: <quoted text> Listen, this has nothing to do with faith. Don't you realize by now that science has nothing to do with faith? It is simple science. And no, I don't talk to the dead. I don't believe in that. But I have clearly experienced what others may call ESP, or just a little beyond the normal range of our five senses. And what's more, it's not that extraordinary. About those sources, here they are: University of Arizona Phoenix: "Mind over Matter", Authored by Dr's Harlan and Brandly, peer reviewed in the Journal of Psychology, issue 147 page 82, 10-17-97. University of Utah, "Beyond The Five Senses", authored by Dr. Len Blair, PhD. World Medicine, Jan 19, 1999. University of Wisconsin, did a study in 2004, can't find what the study was called, but I know it was in American Journal of Medicine sometime in 2006. You'll have to go to the library to find these articles as they are online, but you have to either be a member of one of the participating universities, or have student access. The only other website where just anyone can get them is https://weblogin.asu.edu/cgi-bin/login... And I think you have to have a username for that as well. But if you're really interested in any further study than a mouse click, you can find pretty much any of these papers in your local library. You are not investigating science you are practicing a faith in a belief that you are receiving special knowledge from an unknown source. Again, seeking knowledge without the investigation of evidence and the use of reason is evil and dangerous. If there is nothing special in your practice why bother? What's the purpose? Counterfeit miracles endlessly fascinate finite minds. Parlor tricks or deception of the oldest kind?
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