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St. Paul / What's wrong with downtown?

Fifty civic boosters sounded off Thursday about downtown St. Paul. Among the concerns mentioned: A lack of retail and nightlife, too many panhandlers loitering, some decrepit buildings, no "real" grocery store ...

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Friday Apr 25
 
Suggestions:
1.Movie Theatre
2.Target (or something similar)
3.A Lowertown Bar/Restaurant for happy hour (maybe some dj music for dancing) Remember the Heartthrob Cafe? How about OTTO's!!! What fun memories!
4.Bring back TOWN SQUARE PARK - Fountains, relaxation, proms, etc.
5.Dollar Store
6.Cafeteria style restaurant
7.Culvers
8.Bakers Square, Perkins, Denny's or IHOP (Some type of family sit down restaurant
9.Stores to by clothes, not just 'Lobby Shops'
10.Get rid of the 'rif-raff'
PAT M
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Friday Apr 25
 
Consider zoning/incentives along the proposed light rail line that promotes the tyoe of venues lacking in downtown such as shopping and entertainment along with more housing. Consder more conversion of obsolete office space into housing owned and rented. Relaxe sidewalk cafe requirements and onstreet vendors to atract more animation to ordinary life. Tell the City Coucil to loosen up with businesses and be more open to ideas such as the Bridges. Create more of a theater district by subsidizing theaters with ties to local schools and dance groups. Sponsor more downtown events to celebrate living in downtown. Attract more art museum venues. Consider renovating the old NSP power plant building into a art museum such as the one in London. Great location and plenty of space. Don'd be afraid to take risks.
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Friday Apr 25
 
WiSH LIST
Today a businessman is talking to GAltier to reopen the cinema.
VON MAUR dept store is looking to expand here .(GOlden RULE bldg).
Theme resturants BOB& Buster,ESPN Zone,JOhnny ROCKETS,Champps even an Applebee .
TRADER'S JOE.
BArnes & NOBLE
Reopen the food court
KMART into Town Sq the store on MAryland can relocacted which is very old
Turn 7th Place into a pedestrian mall "CITY WALK " like UNIVERSAL CITY WALK.
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Friday Apr 25
 
ty st paul wrote:
WiSH LIST
Today a businessman is talking to GAltier to reopen the cinema.
VON MAUR dept store is looking to expand here .(GOlden RULE bldg).
Theme resturants BOB& Buster,ESPN Zone,JOhnny ROCKETS,Champps even an Applebee .
TRADER'S JOE.
BArnes & NOBLE
Reopen the food court
KMART into Town Sq the store on MAryland can relocacted which is very old
Turn 7th Place into a pedestrian mall "CITY WALK " like UNIVERSAL CITY WALK.
1) Fix your keyboard.
2) Most of your list is not viable. Von Maur for example will never est. in St. Paul. Have to been to the EP location? Very sophisticated and needs a base to support it. It is far and above even Macy's which can barely make it here. That would be like suggesting Barney's or Nordstrom would come downtown.
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Friday Apr 25
 
@RememberWHEN:

#1: Lowertown had a multi-screen theater for a few years in the 1990s ... that hardly anyone visited.

#3: Bars/restaurants have already paraded through Galtier Plaza. Is there now, finally, a critical mass of downtown dwellers willing to STAY downtown for their after-work social and nutritional needs?

#4: Absolutely!

#6-#8: Again, is there a critical mass of downtown dwellers available to support restaurants located anywhere east of Wabasha?
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Friday Apr 25
 
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- Post bus maps in the bus stops,
there
is no transit map in all of downtown
that is readable for routes.

- Mayor Kelly wasted transit effort on
Ayd Mill Road while MPLS built LRT.
Get commuter rail and LRT
into the city, maybe trolley lines
too.St Paul is noticably poorer than
MPLS and will not be able to fill
cars with $8/gal gas.

- Remove parking restrictions for
development.
Mark
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Friday Apr 25
 
RememberWHEN wrote:
Suggestions:
1.Movie Theatre
2.Target (or something similar)
3.A Lowertown Bar/Restaurant for happy hour (maybe some dj music for dancing) Remember the Heartthrob Cafe? How about OTTO's!!! What fun memories!
4.Bring back TOWN SQUARE PARK - Fountains, relaxation, proms, etc.
5.Dollar Store
6.Cafeteria style restaurant
7.Culvers
8.Bakers Square, Perkins, Denny's or IHOP (Some type of family sit down restaurant
9.Stores to by clothes, not just 'Lobby Shops'
10.Get rid of the 'rif-raff'
Do you really think a Dollar Store, IHOP, and Culvers will help downtown? See your #10 and remember all those places will be havens for those people.
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Friday Apr 25
 
Real grocery store, CUB-Rainbow placed in the old Gillette Bldg. Better yet Target could be placed there along w/ a Super-Target Store. No place to really dine to eat, maybe 6 spots. As a taxpayer I should not have to travel to Mpls. to have a evening out. It was worth making a trip downtown, stores to stop and shop in. Growing up, downtown St.Paul was the place to be on Sat. mornings. There were stores like Newmans, Field & Schlick,
Donaldson Golden Rule, Mangales, W.T.Grants,
Three Sisters,Stocking Shop,(were someone took the time and showed you the right stockings)Woolworths,Robert Hall, and many others. We need to bring life back to our downtown. I feel somewhat bad to be the host state for the upcoming
GOP, and folks will have to go out to the MOA to purchase things. Thank GOD for Candyland, that is why I can make a trip downtown every now and then.
Lets come together and make it happen.
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Friday Apr 25
 
My husband and I lived in Melbourne, Australia for 2 years. We rented an apartment in the city and walked or took the tram or train everywhere. There were stores, restaurants and coffee shops open along every street. We could walk out of our building and go out to eat, see a movie, or just walk along the river and have coffee. You didn't have to find an entrance to a large building and then find the shops inside. The whole atmosphere downtown here is not welcoming for pedestrians, it looks like it's meant to be driven through. We need places that you can walk into right off the street. I totally agree with Pat M, we need street vendors, sidewalk cafe's, etc....
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Friday Apr 25
 
change the urinals...see my website on wcco

They call me the madman
Whats wrong with St Paul
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What's wrong with St Paul is the idiot democratic City Council we have. I'm a registered DFL'er and how can we expect to have any type of downtown resurgence with the likes of Dave Thune and his band of knuckleheads on our city council?
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Mark wrote:
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Do you really think a Dollar Store, IHOP, and Culvers will help downtown? See your #10 and remember all those places will be havens for those people.
Okay, Okay, so if you're so quick to slam, why not come up with something then? At least someone is making suggestions (it's what some call brainstorming) other than criticizing, DUH!
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#15
Friday Apr 25
 
It sad to see what downtown looks like now. When I was little it was such a treat to go downtown on the "city bus". Me and my mom would get McDonalds and eat by the fountains, I would walk on the stepping stones and play on the little jungle gym they had. There were so many stores! When I got older, me and my friends would take the bus and go to Town Square, St. Paul Center, Galtier...the shopping was endless! We would easily spend the whole day downtown, and there was never a lack of anything to do or see. Now it's just sad. The only time I go downtown now is if I'm going to a concert or hockey game, or if I'm in the mood for Candyland's popcorn. The need to revitalize downtown St. Paul. I have so many wonderful memories, and I would like my children to experience them, too!
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Until we elect pro business pro growth leaders, i see it getting worse before it gets better. I am praying the voters here will realize there is very high price to pay for electing left wing ideologues. This clown crew we have for a city council is a disgrace. The mayor offers no leadership, other than to indicate he too is anti business, which is to say anti-people. The lack of imagination and creativity is astounding.
The ideology of the left stifles innovation. This is the explanation. The solution is replace the leadership. STOP ELECTING DEMOCRATS.
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Friday Apr 25
 
Don Shelby wrote:
change the urinals...see my website on wcco
They call me the madman
Thanks Don, but were not changing the urinals.

go hug a tree
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Start by getting rid of Dave Thune. He is anti business. The city is a ghost town. St Paul should have a street like Nicollet Mall in Mpls. The city council will push until rock bottom before the voters realize what has happened. I like St. Paul and I hate watching it die.
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Friday Apr 25
 
alberto wrote:
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Thanks Don, but were not changing the urinals.
go hug a tree
just wet your pants and ride the 16A like all the bums do.
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Friday Apr 25
 
I word politicians!!! I am old enough to remember when St.Paul had a night life 10 movie theaters a bar for every taste and they had every kind of store you could think of department stores to a little coffee and tea store . Then the POLITICIANS were going to make the city better move all those stores up to a skyway so nobody had to walk on those cold windy streets,and then if you remember the Paul & Paula duo who ran out the night life because people were having a good time and POLITICIANS can't stand to see people having a good time in there view people have to be miserable so they can help them. Now look at UNI ave. many years ago the POLITICIANS drove all the car dealers off because they didn't get enough tax money and they were going to fix it up really nice and just look at it now . the POLITICIANS have one more loser going on now and that is LIGHT RAIL. AND WE WILL BE PAYING FOR THAT FOR ever
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Don Shelby wrote:
change the urinals...see my website on wcco
They call me the madman
Don to bad but you are next to go at WCCO
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Friday Apr 25
 
They don't give us a lot of room to write on here, can we just save time and space and comment on whats RIGHT with downtown St Paul?
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