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What should be done about downtown St. Paul? Boosters sound off

Fifty civic boosters sounded off this morning about downtown St. Paul. Among the problems mentioned: A lack of retail and nightlife, too many panhandlers loitering, some decrepit buildings, no "real" grocery ...

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#1
Apr 24, 2008
 
"not enough incentive for businesses to set up shop in St. Paul. "

What??!! I can think of at least two cases (Gander Mountain, for example) where the city actually paid them for each employeee that they move to St. Paul. For God's sake, if the only way St. Paul can get business to move in is to pay them off, things are worse than we think in downtown St. Paul.
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#2
Apr 24, 2008
 
Just a guess, but maybe get rid of the current DFL leadership? Might that be high on the list? If not is should be.
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#3
Apr 24, 2008
 
We should have St. Thomas college move some of its buildings to downtown St. Paul. Now they have some stuff in downtown Minneapolis, right? They should have to come to St. Paul or we kick them out of their place on Summit (with some kind of tax or fee). GoBama!
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#4
Apr 24, 2008
 
I think replacing the mayor of St. Paul would be a step in the right direction.
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Apr 24, 2008
 
Tired of it all wrote:
Just a guess, but maybe get rid of the current DFL leadership? Might that be high on the list? If not is should be.
Sure, I've often wondered where those streets of gold went after coleman left! Get real. I've worked downtown many years and used to love it - seems now like there's nothing but banks everywhere. Hopefully, with so many interested something will develop.
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#6
Apr 24, 2008
 
Rip the city down and build houses and build a mall or 2.
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#7
Apr 24, 2008
 
All of St. Paul has a "European" feel. High taxes and a City Hall that has no belief in a free market system.

As far as engagement from the Mayor's office it would be nice if the Mayor could do that on his own. But it seems his administration is more interested in the perception of economic activity then actual economic growth.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Light Rail. However, the Chamber and the mayor’s office are putting St. Paul's hopes into one project it makes for a make or break situation.

I certainly do not agree with many of the governors policies but for goodness sake if your going to pin our success on a project that will require his approval can you stop with the public pissing match. In the end your either going to have to make nice or wait 2 years until your can replace him.

The reality is the Central Corridor is the biggest shell game in the history of St. Paul economic development. The politicians use it to stay they are helping St. Paul but it wont come until 2014 and that’s even if they either make up or replace Pawlenty in two years; if it is the later we looking at 2016.

Last time I checked the Mayor’s election is well before then and that presents a perfect opportunity to see which groups really want to improve St. Paul or just kiss the mayors ring.
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#8
Apr 24, 2008
 
Hello!?!?
What's wrong with St. Paul you ask?
Visit the mass transit stops at 5th and Minnesota, 6th and Minnesota and 6th and Cedar anytime during the day. The stops are so over-run with gang bangers preying on innocents they post full time Transit Police patrols there to keep order.
And the elitist twits that run St Paul want us to use mass transit!?!?
Now, that's funny!!!
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#9
Apr 24, 2008
 
Republicans left St. Paul and took their businesses with them years ago. The only businesses that remain in St. Paul are run by democrats and they will fail eventually.
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#11
Apr 24, 2008
 
"We should have St. Thomas college move some of its buildings to downtown"

Saint Paul has fought and put up every obstacle possible whenever St Thomas tries to expand. Minneapolis welcomes them with open arms.

Another example, a developer comes in and wants to put up a building on the old Wabasha Court lot. Doesn't want money, doesn't want variances, just wants to build a 30-40 story building. The mayor and city council response - he's an out-of-towner (never mind that he grew up in St Paul), he has an accent, he's moving too fast with the project, blah, blah, blah. In the end Thune will probably get his way and the project won't get built and they'll be saying "what can we do to attract companies".
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Apr 24, 2008
 
Mike in Mpls wrote:
Republicans left St. Paul and took their businesses with them years ago. The only businesses that remain in St. Paul are run by democrats and they will fail eventually.
Glad you and your positive attitude are across the river, Mike. Lived in Minneapolis most of my life, and while I love the city, I like Saint Paul a lot better. Frankly, it all comes down to the people here; I had more genuine conversations with neighbors in the first two weeks living in SP than I did in two years when in Mipples.
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#13
Apr 24, 2008
 
First order of business should be to get rid of of Thune.
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#14
Apr 24, 2008
 
Downtown needs some decent titty bars, just like Mpls.
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#15
Apr 24, 2008
 
Some day, a great man or woman will come along and give this city the leadership it so rightly deserves...by the way, this article was poorly written and it lacked substance.

P.S. Hey Pawlenty up your aze
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#16
Apr 24, 2008
 
Get rid of Chris Coleman, and Nick for that matter. If you have a culture (DFL) that is against business, you have a business climate that is St. Paul.
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#17
Apr 24, 2008
 
Leave St. Paul alone! We are a hockey and guiness town. I don't want a city hall with a Go green, grass roof.

We don't need anymore diversity, ethnicity or cultural bs. I don't want it turn into Minneapolis.

Leave it alone.
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#18
Apr 24, 2008
 
At least the people at these meetings are being engaged and trying to come up with real, plausible solutions. The people here just keep saying Get rid of Thune, get rid of Coleman, get rid of the city council, etc. As though downtown was so lively before Coleman.....I've worked downtown for more than a decade - it wasn't. How about some REAL answers, instead of people sitting here griping? Go participate in the process!
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Apr 24, 2008
 
An American wrote:
Hello!?!?
What's wrong with St. Paul you ask?
Visit the mass transit stops at 5th and Minnesota, 6th and Minnesota and 6th and Cedar anytime during the day. The stops are so over-run with gang bangers preying on innocents they post full time Transit Police patrols there to keep order.
And the elitist twits that run St Paul want us to use mass transit!?!?
Now, that's funny!!!
Well, I take the bus often, and I wait at 5th & Minnesota to catch my bus. I've never had a problem in 5 years. One time a white guy came into the shelter and asked if anyone wanted to buy some weed - that's it. And I'm a lone middle-aged skinny woman. If I can survive, I'm sure you can too - it's really not as scary as you think in big bad St. Paul!
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#20
Apr 24, 2008
 
beggars can't be choosers. St. Paul should take what it can get and realize that everything doesn't have to be perfect and agreed upon by everyone to get done.
I feel like I'm hearing about a new plan or a new development committe being set up everyweek. We've known for about twenty years that OUR city need more restaurants, stores, nightlife, etc... Anyone who is downtown after 6pm can tell you that. Is that really all those people talked about today.
City council, Mayor, and various development committe members: grow a set and take some chances.
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#21
Apr 24, 2008
 
We need a sports bar/restaurant like a Chammps. Alary's doesn't serve food & dodging panhandlers outside Wild Tymes & Great Waters gets old (and they are overpriced).

Rivertown Market is nice but for downtown to attract more families & money, there needs to be a Target. Shopping is a joke down here too. The St Paul skyway is depressing & dim & the vacancies outnumber the tenants.

It would have been nice to have baseball down here but nooooooooooooo....
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