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Blood thinner Coumadin gets black box warning over fatal bleedi...

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U.S. health officials announced on Friday that drug maker Bristol-Myers Squibb has added a black box warning to its blood-thinning drug Coumadin warning of possible "major or fatal bleeding." According to the ...

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Lolina Glendale CA

Glendale, CA

#382 Sep 17, 2009
We should all be aware of the studies made by different medical experts and its result when COUMADIN/WARFARIN is compared to ASPIRIN -
http://www.clotcare.com/clotcare/aspirinforti...
This is for informational purposes, and in my own experience should not be granted especially when you are taking warfarin where in you could be taking a safer approach such as aspirin instead..it is the patient's or patient's family's choice, it should not just be a doctor's choice alone...
Roberta Westerly RI

AOL

#383 Sep 18, 2009
Let's face it---the drug is over prescriped!! Art--you need Coumadin. My husband should not be on Coumadin. they found an irregular heart beat the day after he was drinking at a party--they put him on it for life. He has had echograms, stress echograms, stress test and no sign of a irregular heart beat. The doctors are protecting themselves and not properly treating people. There is misuse of many drugs including Coumadin--it is sad! Christine, I am sorry that your mom passed away.I hope you get some answers and share the results with us. God bless you and your family.
Laurie

Merrillville, IN

#384 Sep 21, 2009
I understand what you are all saying. I believe Art is saying the same only differently. The problem with people blaming coumadin or the drug companies are that they are wrong in doing so. Trying to frighten individuals with horrific stories is not the same as cautioning people to become educated. Every drug on the market has serious side effects and many of them cause way more deaths a year than coumadin. Try the ASA for one. But I dont see people demanding this drug be taken off of the market or warning labels be placed on it. Educating yourself - on every aspect of your health is important. To many people are afraid to ask questions or honestly dont even listen to the doctor- so lets at least be willing to share the responsibility for problems with coumadin or any drug. I am a nurse and I regulated hundreds of people on coumadin - the majority of my patients listened and did exactly what I told them and were fine. I then had a handful of people who continued to drink alcohol - and I constantly fought with them because they ended up with INR's all over the place. There is someone on this forum who is exactly like this but instead the spouse blames the coumadin! Lets be fair here. If you want to share a story about a family member and what happened to a loved one while on coumadin - please do so. If you are looking for revenge - and blaming coumadin instead of the doctor or at times the individual please go to another forum to vent. Keep in mind - are you really encouraging people to become educated or are you merely seeking revenge and money.
Sandi

Peterborough, Canada

#385 Sep 21, 2009
Hi Laurie, I agree with you, this forum has helped me different times with over coming my fear of coumadin. When I first started with coumadin now over a year ago I was extremly upset and anxious over it. Now I am more relaxed with it, I talked to my Dr. about my fears and I go faithly for my INR's. I am very stable now with my INR's but it did take awhile to do so. All drugs have side effects and patients should be informed about their own health and make their decisions with the knowledge they have. I hope people continue to educate themselves on the issues of their health.
Roberta Westerly RI

AOL

#386 Sep 21, 2009
Well, I agree that there are a lot of bad side affects in many drugs. I think the big difference is that Coumadin requires one to be tested and watch their diet. My husband is a drinker and I went to the doctors with him and made him fess up to how much he drinks. The doctor did not seem that concerned. My husband takes 7-8 ml a day of coumidan, drinks, gin, beer and wine. All of this processed through his liver. He also takes blood pressure, colesterol lowering and anti depressents. Not one doctor has told him to loose weight, exercise and watch his diet. In my mind the doctors are killing him with medication and hopefully the coumadin that he takes because of a one time irregular heart beat will not be the cause. People must educate themselves and take charge of their health. My husband has taken the easy way out--pops his pills everyday. I fear the coumadin because my husband refuses to lisen--I will end this by saying-I caught him trying to take 1000 grms of asprin after drinking a lot. Asprin, coumadin and alcohol--pray for my family.
ANGELA BELL

Montgomery, AL

#387 Sep 21, 2009
I agree with Laurie,and Sandi! There is a fine line between this medicine saving a life or taking one. But it is up to the responsible adult to do what the Dr says do !! At all times. I have been on this medicine since April! and I am very scared of it, but I know it is keeping me from forming more clots. which could be deadly. I follow all my Dr's orders and I have my INR'S checked often. I am afraid ! But with God's Grace and Love.I am feeling a little more settled on useing it!! I know my Dr is doing all he can to help me stay well for my Boys. This medicine is a life saver for most people. But People need to remember Dr's are not miracle workers!! The Patients have to do their part to to insure their own health!!! Wheather it means changing their diet or quit drinking or quit smoking ect. Dr's and medicine can only do so much! and then it is left up to the HEAVENLY FATHER, and the Patient which is being treated with this medicine. Or any other medicine!!! Thank you
Ron

Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#388 Sep 28, 2009
ZEE: I had multiple blood clots in my lungs over a year ago and have been on Coumadin since. While in the hospital being diagnosed, I broke out in a rash. My dr. diagnosed it as shingles. I was lucky that it was not a bad case and left no scars. I believe that shingles can be brought on by worry/anxiety (not a dr. so not sure about that)but, needless to say, I was indeed anxious while in the hospital and dealing with PE!!! My best to you....
Zee

Irvine, CA

#389 Sep 29, 2009
Thanks Ron! I ended up on the Arixtra daily injections for 3 months because I had too many side effects on coumadin. I am no longer on the anti-coagulant therapy and I must say that I am still experiencing some anxiety. With GOD's help though, I can only take it one day at a time and try to find the positives even in the negatives. This experience has certainly taught me that I cannot take my life or my family for granted! I wish you the best also and may GOD bless you and your loved ones!!
ANGELA BELL

AOL

#390 Sep 29, 2009
Zee, you are so right. When faced with these problems it makes you stop and think about all the little things that matters most!!And just like you with out GOD'S LOVE AND GRACE. I would not be able to face each and everyday that seems to bring new challenges. GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU IN HIS LOVING HANDS!!
Trish S

Augusta, GA

#391 Oct 9, 2009
I am glad to hear others speaking out about Coumadin. Though it may save lives, it seems doctors are prescribing it as a great "heal all things" drug when it is very dangerous. I caution all older people and their relatives to consider not allowing Coumadin to be prescribed for medical conditions that are not imminently life threatening.

My father died last year (age 70) from a brain bleed because he was put on a blood thinner to prevent blood clots even though he had a shunt in his brain for adult encephalitis (sp?). He died a horrible death that included six weeks of medical procedures on his brain and being in and out of it mentally.

I am also on Coumadin because I have an artificial heart valve. I am experiencing problems with bleeding and cannot afford the tests required to rule out all of the possible problems. I believe the answer is to go off of the Coumadin but both my cardiologist and family doctor say no, it is vital to my life. I don't know which way to go.

I just know that Coumadin is very dangerous, especially in the elderly, and that it is way over prescribed.
Roberta Westerly RI

AOL

#392 Oct 9, 2009
Trish,

I am so anti Coumadin as I am most drugs but I think you need coumadin because of your artifical valve. Talk to your cardiologist and find a way to get the testing that you need. Don't take no for an answer. I wish you the best of luck and health.
NOOB

United States

#393 Oct 9, 2009
Consumer advocate Mike Adams, author of "Take Back Your Health Power," said the warning is not surprising, since "Coumadin is actually the same chemical used as rat poison by pest exterminators."

Coumadin works to kill patients in exactly the same way it kills rats: "by causing them to bleed to death from the inside," Adams said.

Pharmaceutical industry critics say drugs like Coumadin are largely unnecessary, since much safer natural alternatives can also effectively thin the blood to prevent dangerous clots. For example, fish oil supplements and oily fish rich in omega-3 fatty acids both act as natural blood thinners.
Laurie

Merrillville, IN

#394 Oct 13, 2009
Noob - that is not true - pharmaceuticals do not state such a thing because the supplements you speak of are not regulated at all and therefore do not contain any type of standard. Please refrain from sharing info that is not accurate or true.
Lolina - Glendale CA

Glendale, CA

#395 Oct 13, 2009
Laurie wrote:
Noob - that is not true - pharmaceuticals do not state such a thing because the supplements you speak of are not regulated at all and therefore do not contain any type of standard. Please refrain from sharing info that is not accurate or true.
Hi Laurie,
It may not be accurate or true in the eyes of FDA, but we should still be allowed to share here what TRADITIONAL ALTERNATIVE HERBS and SUPPLEMENT that might work, but my husband Brett stood firm on his decision to get off of COUMADIN (Rat Poison), even though the doctor said and I quote " I will wash my hands off of him if he ever get another stroke..", we replied to him "We acknowledge your washing of hands, but we don't want my husband to be in and out of EMERGENCY ROOM anymore for LIGHTHEADEDNESS and WEAKNESS just because they don't monitor his INR Daily wherein in his case his blood fluctuates DAILY (if someone could relate). We stood firm last Sept 4, 2009 and he has not been feeling weak nor have to call 911 because he could not even stand up due to lightheadedness before Sept 4. We been to 7 Emergencies and 4 911 calls due to Coumadin. We took the route of 81 mg Aspirin, 3 times GARLIC (Rite Aid) capsule & Fresh Roasted Garlic with a dash of salt, FISH OIL, FOLIC ACID, B12, and lots of Smoothie from fresh fruit with ANTI-OXIDANTS mix with SOY MILK and Honey.
People NEED TO KNOW SOME ALTERNATIVE, this BLOG is not JUST FOR PRO-COUMADIN ENTHUSIAST. FDA is not PERFECT either, so does ALTERNATIVE Medicine. Nobody is PERFECT, but whatever you feel would works the best for your body, you as an individual has to decide. God already made all the solutions to all our problems in sickness, hence, there is GARLIC and other herbs. GOD is our ENGINEER, how amazing our body is made, HE surely knows what our body needs, so he already created those way before we were created. This is my opinion and belief.
Lolina - Glendale CA

Glendale, CA

#396 Oct 13, 2009
My husband is definitely getting way better now & can do more than when he was on COUMADIN. GARLIC really works and GINGER too. You can mix them in PASTA SAUCE instead of using cream, I used FIRM TOFU and Liquefy it with garlic salt and ginger. Creamy Marinara Sauce is very good with Tomate Paste. We just celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary, and we went on a little trip over the weekend with no problem. I am not NERVOUS anymore that, he might FALL and hit his head and DIE from internal bleeding. He can exercise with no FEAR now.
Lolina - Glendale CA

Glendale, CA

#397 Oct 13, 2009
Zee wrote:
Thanks Ron! I ended up on the Arixtra daily injections for 3 months because I had too many side effects on coumadin. I am no longer on the anti-coagulant therapy and I must say that I am still experiencing some anxiety. With GOD's help though, I can only take it one day at a time and try to find the positives even in the negatives. This experience has certainly taught me that I cannot take my life or my family for granted! I wish you the best also and may GOD bless you and your loved ones!!
When you feel anxiety attacks, based on my experience with my husband, just eat FRESH CELERY LOTS OF THEM when you feel like it is coming, and it works for my husband. Also TURKEY BREAST with Veggienaise (its a non-egg type of mayonnaise, you can get it from Whole Foods), the Veggienaise you can mix with catsup and it is a nice dip for CELERY...or with TURKEY BREAST sandwich. Research the WONDERS of CELERY and TURKEY BREAST to calm people's anxiety. Hope this helps.
Casey

Narragansett, RI

#398 Oct 28, 2009
Hi,
I am having no progress in finding out about my INR-from a Blood Test.
I had a DVT in my Colon in 07'( NO SYMPTOM'S AT ALL!!) I lost 1/2 of my colon and a portion of my small intestines, but all the Major Hospital's I have looked into , say they have never seen someone so young with no symptom's ( I was 39yrs.old ). And having a DVT in the Colon seem's to be extremly RARE!
I am now 41,( I was 39yrs.old when this happened) and with this blood test coming back so high, I am quite nervous .
Can anyone tell me the truth about the #5, I had been a 2.2, I go every 2-week's and I have no idea why it is so high.
Again , I want the Brutal Truth.
My Dr. is away but the Dr. covering for him said that is too high,
( and he called personally, that is Huge) it is a 5, I have only had maybe 4 - good blood report's in the last two year's, but the covering Dr. is very nice , but also VERY CONCERNED.
He want's me off Coumadin for the week and take another Blood Test.
How bad is a 5 , and I really want the Truth. I never knew it would jump so high!!!!
Thank You for Listening,
Casey
Rhode Island
Lolina Glendale CA

Glendale, CA

#399 Oct 28, 2009
Casey wrote:
Hi,
I am having no progress in finding out about my INR-from a Blood Test.
I had a DVT in my Colon in 07'( NO SYMPTOM'S AT ALL!!) I lost 1/2 of my colon and a portion of my small intestines, but all the Major Hospital's I have looked into , say they have never seen someone so young with no symptom's ( I was 39yrs.old ). And having a DVT in the Colon seem's to be extremly RARE!
I am now 41,( I was 39yrs.old when this happened) and with this blood test coming back so high, I am quite nervous .
Can anyone tell me the truth about the #5, I had been a 2.2, I go every 2-week's and I have no idea why it is so high.
Again , I want the Brutal Truth.
My Dr. is away but the Dr. covering for him said that is too high,
( and he called personally, that is Huge) it is a 5, I have only had maybe 4 - good blood report's in the last two year's, but the covering Dr. is very nice , but also VERY CONCERNED.
He want's me off Coumadin for the week and take another Blood Test.
How bad is a 5 , and I really want the Truth. I never knew it would jump so high!!!!
Thank You for Listening,
Casey
Rhode Island
Casey,

All I can say is in my experience my friend died at INR = 4.2 brain internal hemorrhage, severe head ache and eventually cannot open her eyes and died within 48 hours. Call 911 and get a K shot immediately. This is my best suggestion.

Concern,

Lolina
Trish S

Augusta, GA

#400 Oct 29, 2009
"Question does anyone else get the muscle pain and the dark circles under the eyes and the black and blue belly from the shots?"

I take pills not shots on the blodd thinner, also for artificial aortic valve replacement eight years ago. Yes on the circles under the eyes. I thought something serious was going on because even though I slept normally, the dark area around my eyes were getting worse. I investigated and fouund out that was one of the many symptoms of blood thinners no one told me about. The doctors really don't know themselves. Blood thinners are very unpredictable from person to person. Unfortunately it seems true that those with heart valve surgery really do need them to prevent strokes.
I repeat my exhortation from another post that older people should think seriously before going on these meds for "preventative" measures.
Trish S

Augusta, GA

#401 Oct 29, 2009
Casey wrote:
Can anyone tell me the truth about the #5, I had been a 2.2, I go every 2-week's and I have no idea why it is so high.
Again , I want the Brutal Truth. My Dr. is away but the Dr. covering for him said that is too high,(and he called personally, that is Huge) it is a 5, I have only had maybe 4 - good blood report's in the last two year's, but the covering Dr. is very nice , but also VERY CONCERNED. He want's me off Coumadin for the week and take another Blood Test. How bad is a 5 , and I really want the Truth. I never knew it would jump so high!
The brutal truth is even doctors can't predict how a person's INR will change or react. There are too many factors: age, alcohol, over the counter meds, etc. Mine will go all over the charts. I am 42.

The good news is that a 5 is not really that high. I have an artificial heart valve and they try to keep me in the 3 - 4 range, but I have been 4.5 and they just lowered my dose for about a week. The higher your INR the more attentive you need to be to unexplainable bruises or bleeding and especially bumps on the head. The high INR will not cause internal bleeding, it just makes it less likely to heal itself should something make it start.

I have heard people say their INR went into the 30s and 40s - considering how a 4 makes my body react, THAT is freaky! Now those people were hospitalized to bring the INR down quickly, but I would not worry too much over a 5.

The other good news is you're young (for blood thinner issues). I have been on coumadin 8 years. It is a major pain but I've had no life threatening problems. The older you are, the more dangerous having "thin blood" is and the more dificult it will be to manage it. I pray (and believe) they will have come up with a better system before we hit 60! God bless.

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