Mannatech sues Las Vegas company in p...

Mannatech sues Las Vegas company in patent dispute

There are 216 comments on the Dallas Business Journal story from Mar 20, 2006, titled Mannatech sues Las Vegas company in patent dispute. In it, Dallas Business Journal reports that:

Dallas Business Journal - 4:56 PM CST Thursday Mannatech Inc. has filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Glycobiotics International Inc.

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Apalled

Salt Lake City, UT

#102 May 26, 2007
How much time do you people have on your hands? Are your lives so meaningless and unimportant that you need to post INCORRECT and UNFOUNDED mistruths about a company that none of you people know anything about? Let's get some facts straight:

The corporate office for Techmedica Health/MicroNutra Health/True Value Media is in fact, in Boulder City, NV. The office that is in Grand Rapids is the business office where the Customer Care, Marketing, Accounting and Shipping departments are located.

Justin Buist is a FORMER employee that is disgruntled because he was FIRED.

The FDA has NEVER "raided" the facility in Grand Rapids, or Vegas for that matter, because they are distributing "illegal" product. If this were the case, they would not be in business and would have been shut down immediately. A name change would not have prevented this.

As for the patent that Mannatech has? It's completely bogus in that you CANNOT patent naturally occuring ingredients. This lawsuit is a complete waste of time on Mannatech's part. They are afraid of the competition.

They have not changed the name to True Value Media to avoid litigation or the FDA or anything like that. If there really was a legal issue, changing the name would not get them out of it.

They do not scam anyone. For Ron in Northville, MI, I have a very hard time believing that your relative ended up in the hospital and almost died from taking their products. It was more than likely from the pharmacuetical DRUGS this person was prescribed by their physician that has them brainwashed into thinking that prescription drugs are the only things that will make them better. Futhermore, if you know someone that was allegedly throwing up for 3 days from taking Nutratose, that's his stupidity for continuing to take it. AND could it be possible that it wasn't the Nutratose? Maybe it was the stomach flu, or food poisoning. Let's use some common sense here.

For those of you that are complaining about one product being labeled several times, have you ever taken a look under your kitchen sink to see the ingredients in your window cleaner vs your multi-purpose cleaner vs your oven cleaner? They are the EXACT same products with the EXACT same ingredients. Big business has brainwashed all of us consumers into believing that we need one product for one purpose. This company is no different, yet I don't see negative posts about the cleaning companies on forums like this complaining about their marketing techniques. And for the record, it's SMART marketing. Ron in Northville, MI obviously bought into what they were selling as he admitted to having bought the product in the past. They are marketing geniuses.

Kudos for Dr D for posting his comment before me as I have been reading these blogs from the many of you that have nothing better to do with your time. I am a long time customer of MicroNutra Health and 100% believe in their products. I have many family members that take their product and are benefiting from it.

If you have such a problem with what MicroNutra Health/TechMedica Health/True Value Media is doing, then I suggest you call them, just as I did, to get the facts rather then believing everything you read on the internet and then morphing it into something that is 100 PERCENT UNTRUE. Are you really that gullible?

I wish each and every person that has posted a comment or that has read these comments the best health and happiness that you can possibly have. Perhaps you may get it from your doctor or maybe you will wise up one day and realize that natural cures are the way of the future.
John

Mesa, AZ

#103 May 28, 2007
I am a new Mannatech dealer, and became convinced after seeing my 71 year old uncle become a 65 year old uncle again. He went from barely able to walk to doing construction work again, and able to once again do push-ups. My question however, is what is HealthTech Meds? They sell Nutratose as well, but sell something else no one has mentioned; Cardio Restore. I've used that product for six months now, and it literally saved my life. Are they the same company with yet another name change? If so, should I stop buying from them because of their practices? I can't accepct Apalled's assertion that it's OK to use the same pill in different products, and therefore I need to know if the people making those claims also assert that Cardio Restore is also tainted because it's coming out of the same company. Thanks for this very interesting forum.
big carl

Salt Lake City, UT

#104 May 28, 2007
dr d. go preach the word of the lord to your satanic counterpart in hell. you are the definition of religous biggot. how do us people have so much time on our hands? believe it or not, some people will make time to help others.
Apalled

Salt Lake City, UT

#105 May 28, 2007
To John in Mesa, AZ... HealthTech Meds I believe is a distributor of MicroNutra Products. I have done a little research of my own on the web to verify that. I am not 100% sure that this is the case, but from what I found, I believe this to be true. Now, in response to your comment about all of their products being the same thing and labeled differently... they only have a few that are the same with different labels and the same ingredients. If you go to www.micronutra.com and look at the ingredients of all of the products, you will see that not all of their products are the same. Again, a little internet research will tell you such things.

To Big Carl in Grandville... I can't speak for Dr D on this, but I feel very confident in saying that I feel he is here to help people. With that being said, I believe that you are here to bad mouth a company and it's products in which you know nothing about.
Apalled

Salt Lake City, UT

#106 May 28, 2007
One more thing to John in Mesa, AZ... Mannatech does the EXACT same thing with their labeling. They have several products called glyconutrients that are the same product with different labels. If you are a Mannatech distributor, I would expect that you would understand the marketing concept behind this practice.
John

Mesa, AZ

#107 May 28, 2007
Well I'm just new into it. Thanks for the information. I know this isn't the forum for it, but I would like to find a good forum for discussing the bennefits or problems with oral chelation. There are a number of products out there, and it's hard to know which ones to get.
big carl

Portage, MI

#108 May 29, 2007
obviously apalled is extremely un-educated and knows nothing about snake oil scams. research the company and you'll see thousands upon thousands of complaints about fraud and people not receiving product and what not. This scam is a trend, it's def. not the first time its been done and it wont be the last. Is this was a credible company why so many name changes? It's a scam company run by the vietkong and it will not last. Maybe you should help those by filling in their grave not digging them
Apalled

Salt Lake City, UT

#109 May 29, 2007
One thing is for sure... I am not the one that is "extremely uneducated" here. Apparently basic English and grammar are not your strong suit, but I digress. That is not the issue here. The issue here is that MicroNutra Health is and always will be MicroNutra Health. If you would take the time to call the company and speak with their reps, you would know that. If you insist on believing everything you read on the internet, then I would again feel safe in saying that I am not the uneducated one. For every negative post there is out there on this company, there are thousands of very satisfied and happy customers, like myself, out there they don't report the good things that they have experienced from this company, or any other for that matter.

I suggest you find something else better to do with your time. Do you have a personal interest in bad mouthing this company or do you get off on posting lies and mistruths? This is only serving to prove my point that some people should not be allowed to have a computer or use the internet.
Jodie aus

Australia

#110 May 30, 2007
Greg wrote: It's a fact that Ambrotose is an expensive nutritional supplement. It's a fact that it is sold primarily through an MLM (pyramid) marketing system. It's a fact that people claim it's responsible for helping them recover from everything from cancer to autism. It's also a fact that there is no definitive scientific evidence that Ambrotose does anything at all useful for the human body when consumed as directed.

If you want FACT and evidence that Ambrotose does anything useful for the human body, why don't you look at www.glycoscience.org
there's only thousands of pages of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!
Jodie aus

Australia

#111 May 30, 2007
jayme wrote:
Anybody heard of Mannatech products causing mania and delusions after taking them? My 17 year old son had to be hospitalized for a week with symptoms of bipolar. He had started taking Ambrotose and Plus from Mannatech two months prior, otherwise everything else was pretty much the same. Would love some info if anyone can help out.
If u would like some info, you should read "The cleansing response" my email address is [email protected]
big carl

Portage, MI

#112 May 30, 2007
so according to appalled, as long as you have 1 paying customer that is happy to every 1 customer that does not receive a product you are okay... no that is not how business works. it doesnt matter if it is 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 1000 customers that do not recieve a product, either way it is illegal, and people that do things illegal go to jail, which means they are bad. Like take dr. d for instance. He fradulently puts himself out to be a good christian man, when in reality, he is the very opposite of what god intendy human to be. He is more or less a spawn of satan himself, using greed and trickery to achieve the almighty dollar. Well, techmedica or whatever they wanna call themselves is doing the same thing. A company that needs multiple names and mutliple fake locations, and gets raided by the FDA, and has thousands of scammed customers on the internet crying for their money back is never gonna be on the winning end of any discussion, unless it's between some very evil people. The world is full of this i know, and it's very sad. I am sorry my grammer may not be up to par, and i would definetaly expect you to rag on me and make fun of me for it, I mean you support taking advantage of peoples illness.
Apalled wrote:
One thing is for sure... I am not the one that is "extremely uneducated" here. Apparently basic English and grammar are not your strong suit, but I digress. That is not the issue here. The issue here is that MicroNutra Health is and always will be MicroNutra Health. If you would take the time to call the company and speak with their reps, you would know that. If you insist on believing everything you read on the internet, then I would again feel safe in saying that I am not the uneducated one. For every negative post there is out there on this company, there are thousands of very satisfied and happy customers, like myself, out there they don't report the good things that they have experienced from this company, or any other for that matter.
I suggest you find something else better to do with your time. Do you have a personal interest in bad mouthing this company or do you get off on posting lies and mistruths? This is only serving to prove my point that some people should not be allowed to have a computer or use the internet.
Dr D

United States

#113 May 30, 2007
big carl wrote:
dr d. go preach the word of the lord to your satanic counterpart in hell. you are the definition of religous biggot. how do us people have so much time on our hands? believe it or not, some people will make time to help others.
Sorry carl, Unfortunately I am not who you think i am.
Dr D

United States

#114 May 30, 2007
Why don't you guys use your real names?
Shelly

United States

#115 May 30, 2007
I WORKED AT TECHMEDICA FOR YEARS BEFORE ALL THE ILLEGAL STUFF CAME TO LIGHT. THEY ARE NOT IN VEGAS. THEY ARE IN MICHIGAN. DR. D. YOU ARE SO VERY WRONG. AND I HAVE GOOD FRIENDS THAT STILL WORK THERE AND THEY ALSO HATE WORKING THERE. THEY ARE JUST STAYING UNTIL THEY GET SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THE MONEY IS SO GOOD. I WOULD OF STAYED ALSO, BUT MY FREEDOM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY AND MY FAMILY COMES FIRST OVER ANY JOB. ESPECIALLY THIS ILLEGAL COMPANY. THERE PRODUCTS ARE VERY FAKE, AND THE COMPANY IS 100% ILLEGAL. SORRY TO TELL YOU THIS DR. D. BUT YOU ARE 100% WRONG ABOUT THIS COMPANY.
Apalled

Middleville, MI

#116 May 30, 2007
Big Carl, I apologize for my comments; I was just upset. I realize now, after attempting to contact customer service, that you are correct; I was on hold for 2 hours!! Shelly, how were you able to stay in a business like that? Dr D, is that your real name? lol
Apalled

Salt Lake City, UT

#117 May 30, 2007
To Big Carl... The post right above this one is NOT from me. I have no reason to apologize to you for anything that I have said. The only thing that I am upset about is the fact that you are turning people away from a product that could help them. Like I said in my last post, do you have something to gain for badmouthing this company? One more thing, as for me commenting on your grammar and spelling, I of all people should not judge anyone for simple errors such as yours. However, you seem to be so high on your soapbox that you are above anything including making sure that your sentence structure and such would be anything less than the second grader you make yourself to sound like. I apologize for making fun of you for such things and for attacking you on a personal level, but I still stand by my lack of apology for the things regarding MicroNutra. I have no problem apologizing when it's needed so I guess that would make me the bigger person.

To Shelly (another disgruntled employee, who I feel confident in guessing that they too, were fired): It is no secret to anyone that MicroNutra/Techmedica is in Grand Rapids. They have never denied that. If you read my first post, the corporate headquarters are in Vegas. It's the business office that is in Grand Rapids. Also, if you were so concerned about the illegal activity that was going on there that it made you decide to quit, then why is it that your friends are still there? I talked with one of their Directors in great length about their involvement with the FDA. The FDA has NEVER "raided" their facility. The FDA has no control what they do because the products they market are dietary supplements, and the label says exactly that. The FDA does not have the authority the "shut them down" or "send people to jail". It's the equivalent of the Coast Guard being able to shut them down. It just doesn't work like that. The FDA has been in their facility and that is no secret either. Do you really think that if there were any illegal activities going on that they would still be in business? I think not.

One last thing, like I have said in previous posts, a name change would not prevent the "law" from finding them or get them out of any legal or court matters. This is common sense and if any one of you that are spewing mistruths about them knew even the smallest amount about the law, you would know this. Again, it's only common sense.
Amused

Denver, CO

#118 May 31, 2007
I've been following this thread for awhile, and until now have resisted the temptation to post, but I must thank you all! This is by far more entertaining than anything I see on TV, and has become my new favorite "reality show".

Since all of you are so damn educated about these issues, I would like someone to answer a few very specific questions.

If Micronutra's or Mannatech's products are "dangerous" or "fake" or fradulent in some other way, please tell me which ingredient do you have a problem with? In what way are these products "fake"? Have you tested the product? Because I know people who they have helped: especially Micronutra's Diamaxol product seems to be so effective for reversing Diabetes that it leaves doctors scratching their heads.

Another question: When the FDA raids a place, it becomes a matter of public record (the FDA is not a "secret" government organization) and if the public is truly "endangered" by a company's product, this will make quick news on the various wire services.

So if Micronutra or Techmedica Health was raided by the FDA, why can't I find this information ANYWHERE other than mud-slinging threads by obviously disgruntled employees on the web?

One more thing: All businesses operate on the law of supply and demand. Are you saying that if you went to see a Britney Spears concert and it was sold out you would call the concert promoter a scam artist and a fake?! Ever get bumped from a n overbooked flight? FAKES! SCAM ARTISTS! Oh, those slimy airlines.....I'm *sure* they are all owned by the Viet Cong and is revenge for 'Nam!

But I will disagree with Apalled....I don't want you to stop and get a life because this is WAY too entertaining!

Keep it up bigCarl, "Shelley" and the gang!
Greg

Clio, MI

#119 Jun 1, 2007
Jodie aus wrote:
If you want FACT and evidence that Ambrotose does anything useful for the human body, why don't you look at www.glycoscience.org
there's only thousands of pages of SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!
Hi Jody,

I apologize for coming across so smug in that post you quoted. I have been to the "glycoscience" web site many times looking for definitive scientific evidence that Mannatech's products are beneficial. I have yet to discover any controlled and blinded studies in humans (other than three small scale studies on "glyconutrients" the "resting brain") that are scientifically conclusive. There are, however, plenty of uncontrolled pilot studies, in vitro, and retrospective case studies that have been initiated by persons with longstanding connections to Mannatech. While these studies suggest that "glyconutrients" MAY have health benefits for humans, the conclusions reached in the majority of those "glyconutritional studies" are that "further studies are warranted". I agree with that statement and will offer that those studies need to be published in peer reviewed medical journals so that they can be evaluated by independent scientists who can challenge them if they disagree with the conclusions.

Greg
Swinging Sirloin

Vancouver, WA

#120 Jun 1, 2007
Techmedica Health wrote:
Dr. Movkin, it is quite incredible your keen perception on the situation with our lawsuit with Mannatech. You are absolutely right on the "isolated and purified". Our lawyers have reviewed their patent in detail and this is what they found as well.
There is no product on the market that infringes on their patent because no one will ever make one based on "isolated and purified". Our product, Nutratose, is actually a polysaccharide and the glyconutrients there are not "isolated and purified". Therefore, we do not infringe on their patent. At the same time, their patent is "useless" since no one will ever make "isolated and purifed" glyconutrients.
Mannatech may not realize this but this lawsuit has been the best thing that has happened to us. We have acquired hundreds of new distributors and we are having a difficult time keeping up with sales.
We have documented lab results showing that our product is over 94% pure glyconutrients (all 8 of them but in a polysaccharide...not isolated or purfied). It is more than just a "blend" but rather an "engineered polysaccharide" that was designed to be highly bio-available. You can not get this high level of purity and concentration unless it was molecularly engineered as Nutratose is.
We have submitted Ambrotose for similar lab work and we will be publishing these shortly in comparison to our Nutratose product. We will be "publishing" more science on it on our website ( nutratose.com ) over the next two weeks so check it out.
The lawsuit will never go to trial. Mannatech knows they don't have a case and that the patent is on a bogus product. Mannatech doesn't realize it, but they picked on the wrong company. We are very well funded. I know that Glycobiotics (the other company sued) fully understands everything we do.
Simply put...Mannatech is in deep trouble.
[email protected]
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Another nickle per dozen lawyer,eat vaginal discharge douche bag.
glyco

Buffalo, NY

#121 Jun 1, 2007
I saw some info about a Dr. David Wheeler, who has created a glyconutrient product called MS Gold: http://0disease.com/index.html Who believes in Mannatech...who thinks it's all a bunch of hype

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