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chad

Mckinney, TX

#164 Dec 12, 2012
private programs wrote:
Yes, they have been successfuly placed into trade and HSBC has closed bonds for me.
can u please contact me via email, with your email? i have bonds available.... thanks

Since: Jul 11

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#165 Dec 12, 2012
mike Story wrote:
Hello all, I was reading some of the comments and I have a question for david cheever, david, do you know anyone that has made money selling "rare earth", probably not, but I know someone that has made 100s of millions selling it. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean it is not real. Not saying the mexican bonds are legit or not, but why come to a forum about mexican bonds to talk down the people trying to make money on them. Do you have nothing else better to do with your time?
Mike, as a matter of fact, I know a lot more than you give me credit. I know that I can sell horse and cow crap as manure and sell it to someone who will convert it into fertilizer. I know people like you think they are smart, and try to get into an ass kicking contest with me. But, if you only have one leg, your chances of winning are none.

What else do you have?
anonanon

Raymondville, TX

#166 Dec 13, 2012
During Ex President Fox's term of office the Mexican congress released legislation recognizing a particular set of bonds all of which fall under a document termed "La Ley Sobre Los Bonos Del Enemigo" it clearly states that the particular bonds listed there are "vigente" translation...valid. Although Mexico will NOT pay the owner of said documents anything...they will allow the owner to use them as collateral...the catch? You have to obtain permission to do so....good luck in receiving permission. Also...I have letters from JP Morgan specifically dealing with 1899 Series bonds...wherein JP Morgan says very succinctly...they will process for payment upon successful registration of the bond...in other words they want a "certificate of registration" so they can "know where the funds are located" so they can process for payment...these are their words exactly....my lawyers have fought with JP Morgan about this arbitrary requirement which is NOT anywhere a part of any legislation requirement on behalf of the Hacienda or the US Treasury/Fed...etc...just more hoop de loops....

Unless you are someone that can secure permission from the governments involved...you are never going to sell your bonds back for anything...mostly private collectors and banks may risk their capital purchasing ONE or TWO documents...for a reasonable price in order to be able to present the actual bond to one of the aforementioned government agencies...since it is believed they have a bit more leverage with them then a single individual as far as collecting the actual funds or payments etc....

The newest theory is that because Mexico can't afford to fully purchase their external debt obligations...foreign banks will purchase the bonds for mexico in return for special consideration on the commodities side...even if payments made to said banks take years to make. This money will never come to the owner...the owner is usually paid a modest amount if any and then goes away happy if it ever happens....

The brokers will swear/promise the sun moon stars and then some in order to have access to real bonafide bond owners documents...this is where the lies/scams/theft comes....you know what i'm talking about....the reality of the situation is very very different....

Ultimately its very simple...either their is a buyer at the end of the tunnel/street...or their isn't...I tend to believe their is a real buyer...but the brokers and their bullshit mess everything up for everyone all the time. Also...by the time a real buyer has requested a particular set of bonds...the previous people they may have purchased from are the ones they goto before entertaining any new people...

remember also...they actual buyers....they want pristine clean bonds...no associations with idiot brokers and some idiot owners with dreams of grandeur and pie in the sky values...

this is my 10 centavos worth...hope you see a little clearer now....
LAL

Sweden

#167 Dec 19, 2012
I actually agree with this. Besides the actual collectible nature of these bonds, I don't see how anyone can put these into trade.

I know of a few people that own a QV-1000. I also know a few that hold a few Black Eagle 5000. It's like a Babe Ruth baseball card. These people just hold them as collectibles.

I'd be curious to know how much they'd be worth to a real buyer.

I would think the QV would be worth at least 2MM or more. I'd be curious to hear about it from a real cash buyer and not a joker broker that thinks they can make 1B from it.
anonanon wrote:
During Ex President Fox's term of office the Mexican congress released legislation recognizing a particular set of bonds all of which fall under a document termed "La Ley Sobre Los Bonos Del Enemigo" it clearly states that the particular bonds listed there are "vigente" translation...valid. Although Mexico will NOT pay the owner of said documents anything...they will allow the owner to use them as collateral...the catch? You have to obtain permission to do so....good luck in receiving permission. Also...I have letters from JP Morgan specifically dealing with 1899 Series bonds...wherein JP Morgan says very succinctly...they will process for payment upon successful registration of the bond...in other words they want a "certificate of registration" so they can "know where the funds are located" so they can process for payment...these are their words exactly....my lawyers have fought with JP Morgan about this arbitrary requirement which is NOT anywhere a part of any legislation requirement on behalf of the Hacienda or the US Treasury/Fed...etc...just more hoop de loops....
Unless you are someone that can secure permission from the governments involved...you are never going to sell your bonds back for anything...mostly private collectors and banks may risk their capital purchasing ONE or TWO documents...for a reasonable price in order to be able to present the actual bond to one of the aforementioned government agencies...since it is believed they have a bit more leverage with them then a single individual as far as collecting the actual funds or payments etc....
The newest theory is that because Mexico can't afford to fully purchase their external debt obligations...foreign banks will purchase the bonds for mexico in return for special consideration on the commodities side...even if payments made to said banks take years to make. This money will never come to the owner...the owner is usually paid a modest amount if any and then goes away happy if it ever happens....
The brokers will swear/promise the sun moon stars and then some in order to have access to real bonafide bond owners documents...this is where the lies/scams/theft comes....you know what i'm talking about....the reality of the situation is very very different....
Ultimately its very simple...either their is a buyer at the end of the tunnel/street...or their isn't...I tend to believe their is a real buyer...but the brokers and their bullshit mess everything up for everyone all the time. Also...by the time a real buyer has requested a particular set of bonds...the previous people they may have purchased from are the ones they goto before entertaining any new people...
remember also...they actual buyers....they want pristine clean bonds...no associations with idiot brokers and some idiot owners with dreams of grandeur and pie in the sky values...
this is my 10 centavos worth...hope you see a little clearer now....

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#168 Jan 12, 2013
Hello I am the owner of some 1865 $1000 mexican gold bonds 2 president bearer bonds. Pass-co certified authentic. Looking to sell. Selling price is 80,000 each or Obo. Willing to trade.
Don't contact me with crazy offers of millions or billions.
George labarre has them for sale for 150,000. He's sold them for that people have sold them for more and people have sold them for less.

Since: Jan 13

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#169 Jan 12, 2013
Email is [email protected]
Carly rose sonenclair

White Plains, NY

#171 Apr 13, 2013
Cant wait for Carly Rose Sonenclairs first concert in New York City and by the was the bonds are all scams
titan

Orlando, FL

#172 Jul 5, 2013
Let me say this. You cannot place Mexican Bonds into a trade without first having these very same bonds SKR within a top ten world bank or some type of secured depository, etc. Secondly, the SKR solidifies and authenticates to a potential buyer the bonds are real in a sense that they are within a secured location. Finally, only a handful of trades will work. Case in point. These alleged people who assert they've been paid or are next to an intake officer of a trade platform is all B--- S---. A real trader will never worry about in references because he/she knows this is their livelihood. These trade platforms for or about 95% of them cannot deliver. They have no clue as to get this done. You would be well advised to approach a top ten world bank once the bonds a SKR and maybe proceed this way. I have 25yrs in banking and the jokers are ruining this business. Good luck

Since: Jul 11

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#173 Jul 5, 2013
titan wrote:
Let me say this. You cannot place Mexican Bonds into a trade without first having these very same bonds SKR within a top ten world bank or some type of secured depository, etc. Secondly, the SKR solidifies and authenticates to a potential buyer the bonds are real in a sense that they are within a secured location. Finally, only a handful of trades will work. Case in point. These alleged people who assert they've been paid or are next to an intake officer of a trade platform is all B--- S---. A real trader will never worry about in references because he/she knows this is their livelihood. These trade platforms for or about 95% of them cannot deliver. They have no clue as to get this done. You would be well advised to approach a top ten world bank once the bonds a SKR and maybe proceed this way. I have 25yrs in banking and the jokers are ruining this business. Good luck
"titan", actually, the joker brokers who are sadly invading the Internet, are not ruining anyones business. The reason is: They can't land a real deal, even if it was standing in front of them. Real investor are smart people and they won't fall for the bullshit lines recited by the jokers, who have learned everything they know by attending joker broker university with all the errors and nonsense ROIs taught in the Internet.

Since: Jul 13

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#174 Jul 16, 2013
WOW! I didn't realize there is so much discussion about historical bonds here. I read only first and last page on this topic and already got bunch of red warning lights flushing straight in my face so let me explain you guys just a few major things since you have to know how far away from the target you're shooting and since majority of "brokers" keep their mad fingers on the trigger without even knowing where the target is to begin with. First of all let me make a disclaimer (which all the real players from the real game should do and no one does which says it all) that any of thefollowing few words I'm about to write does not have any association with solicitation by intent and is written only in response to few inquiries from individuals requesting help in financial matters and does not constitute a legal agreement, nor is it to be construed as legal advice, consulting or solicitation. Of course historical bonds are being successfully placed in a trade and of course Mexican as well, although it happens very rarely and, on average, not to make you upset, maybe 1 out of a 1000 transactions actually close so if you have just, lets say, 4 QV's and 2 WC's your chances are very slim, especially if you're looking to sell of course. Buyer side might be a slightly different story, but then again, if you have a bunch of so called brokers in the middle, that deal will also be screwed up by their incompetence and lock of knowledge about procedures and time frames, not even mention about their unpredictable and insane panic moves to squeeze their names in IMFPO or biting mandates socks to construct separate fee protection agreement on the side out of not being RWA to walk into transaction with high end lawyer when KYC is already on the table. Historical bonds are most complicated to trade as far as procedure is concerned, but even if some punk broker delays it at the very beginning when POL has to be max 48 hrs. old, then the whole deal comes to a halt from the start. Just like David Cheever said; "They can't land a real deal, even if it was standing in front of them". On the other hand, very often you have a buyer with a big EGO, cause he's worth maybe half a B and he thinks he's a big shot so it happens that the idiot refuses to fly to Zurich to sign the papers. Both seller and the buyer are nobodies for us when it comes to attitude regarding status, however, we give them respect and the time frame with the limit. And when you cross the line YOU'RE OUT and the deal goes to the garbage no matter how many times you'll knock back on the door again. Now, in reference to these posts above mine, funny stuff comes out of everybody's statements, regardless if it's a pseudo broker or so called finance professional (with all the respect of course). Experience, procedures, outcome, statistics and secrets can not be learned outside of this extreme private elite trading market. I don't care if you have 25 or 30 years banking employee portfolio sitting behind the desk overloaded with text book standard conservative investment trust files. It's just as funny as some wanna-be broker here with knowledge from Internet lol. Therefore I understand your frustration "titan" that PPP is a one huge B--S--- since there never has been, is and never will be any education available for public regarding that matter on top of total denial of it's existence. Historical bonds are not being traded in hope of government retainer.(continue in next post)

Since: Jul 13

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#175 Jul 16, 2013
They're being traded between private individuals and institutions. And when it comes to PPP if 95% of platforms you've come across did not perform then congratulations over stumbling into a real bunch of bull crap. Real Platform never fails as it's a perpetuum mobile with absolutely 0 risk FYI. There are no fake platforms or platforms that do not perform, unless some 20 years old fool from the Internet simply wrote that he owns one and you already put it in your treasure box as count 1. Don't tell these people to go to top 10 European banks and try some luck on their own. That's even more hilarious. You've never done anything like that yourself, have you??? Or maybe try to open your own platform and team up with 1000 other people from this forum and I'll wish you a good luck. Big banks are being supervised by the top, so what about a little banker like you. Try to get a single permit and get a CLUE pal. See.... when someone doesn't have a knowledge, it's perfectly fine to say "I don't know" and stay in the shadow. But if you're trying to mislead these people and take the happiness away from them, then we have a problem. I'd always help some small time guy worth few million dollars that has GOOD INTENTIONS, lift him all the way up and possibly make him my future partner, than deal with some negative, clueless spammer or egomaniac. The name of the game is GOOD INTENTIONS! and if some guy wants to go even a little crooked HE'S BLACK LISTED FOR LIFE and there is absolutely nowhere else he can go on this planet. You'd be very surprised who's out of a game out of our celebrities. I apologize for excessive direct fire at you, but as we shall understand, this is to all clueless mambo-jumbos on this forum. The remaining legitimate minority is more than welcomed to email me with inquiries about putting bank instruments into a Private Placement Program trade (LOC, SBLC, BG, MTN, SKR and other Av's). In-ground assets will also be at the table with new program soon as situation changes for even better lately (gold, silver, PGM metals). Historical bonds are also welcomed as we're approaching a fourth quarter show soon (Petchilis, QE, Winston Churchill, QV-1000, Potosi, Liberty-1000, 4H President, Umbrela, Escalera 1843, 1913 Black Eagle, just to name main ones). As to mosquito con artists; do not try to initiate your own disaster, cause WE WILL spot your forgery, misrepresentation, public solicitation, fishing or other funny story before you'll even wake up the very next day and I don't care where you are in the world, so don't get YOURSELF arrested.
My email is; [email protected]

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