Interesting questions raised on the M...

Interesting questions raised on the MAS MH017 crash

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HAndersen

Denmark

#1 Jul 19, 2014
RIP to the passengers and crews of MAS MH017.
Condolences to all the affected families, their loved ones, friends, colleagues, and fellow human being.
An unthinkable incident that shouldn't have happened happened, and this must not be repeated.
America should refrain itself with blame game, lest she have all forgotten what she did some decades ago ...
1) US shoot down Iran Air Flight 655 (1988)
2) Ukraine shoot down Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 (2001)
3) USSR shoot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007 (1983)
The West and especially America shouldn't take this opportunity to finger point anyone at this stage. Gives the blame game a rest.
The Russian and the Ukrainian should let the international inspectors free passage to conduct their investigation, and collect the remains of those killed. 2/3 days on... nothing is being done!
Most likely it was an accident. Mistook a civilian liner for a military Antonov!
Found these 10 questions from a Russian General of interests.
TEN QUESTIONS FOR THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES
1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?
2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes?
3. Why are the Ukrainian authorities not doing anything to set up an international commission? When will such a commission begin its work?
4. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?
5. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?
6. Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?
7. Why was airspace over the warzone not closed for civilian flights, especially since the area was not entirely covered by radar navigation systems?
8. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?
9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?
10. What lessons has Ukraine learned from a similar incident in 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 crashed into the Black Sea? Back then, the Ukrainian authorities denied any involvement on the part of Ukraine’s Armed Forces until irrefutable evidence proved official Kiev to be guilty.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#2 Jul 19, 2014
The Ukrainians screwed up. We have recorded communication between two Ukrainian officers where one tells the other "we screwed up. we brought a civilian plane down". The recording will be made public later today or tomorrow morning. Check the news.
HAndersen

Denmark

#3 Jul 20, 2014
David Cheever wrote:
The Ukrainians screwed up. We have recorded communication between two Ukrainian officers where one tells the other "we screwed up. we brought a civilian plane down". The recording will be made public later today or tomorrow morning. Check the news.
Interesting turn of "event"
Looking forward to the expose if any. Seems no coverage (news break) on this have been reported on any main stream median yet.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#4 Jul 20, 2014
HAndersen wrote:
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Interesting turn of "event"
Looking forward to the expose if any. Seems no coverage (news break) on this have been reported on any main stream median yet.
It will be made public. We have a copy.
David The Cheat Sheet

Dunkirk, NY

#5 Jul 20, 2014
David Cheever wrote:
<quoted text>
It will be made public. We have a copy.
Why don't you print out A Cheat Sheet now???

We, the United States!!! Learn your English first!!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#7 Jul 21, 2014
HAndersen

Denmark

#8 Jul 21, 2014
Ukraine air traffic controller suggests Kiev military shot down passenger plane

http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-t... -

Jul 17, 2014
ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is not independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.
Rule Britannia

Mandaluyong City, Philippines

#9 Jul 23, 2014
Who mentioned air traffic controllers?

Who could give a damn about air traffic controllers!!

the discussion was about the transcripts between people who were "on the ground" in the military in Moscow and supporting the rebels! They were discussing the shooting down of the aircraft and mistaking it for a military plane carrying weapons!

Get to grips with REALITY.
HAndersen

Denmark

#10 Jul 23, 2014
Rule Britannia wrote:
Who mentioned air traffic controllers?
Who could give a damn about air traffic controllers!!
the discussion was about the transcripts between people who were "on the ground" in the military in Moscow and supporting the rebels! They were discussing the shooting down of the aircraft and mistaking it for a military plane carrying weapons!
Get to grips with REALITY.
So, Mr. Hearsay King ... social media is a good source for evidence gathering ???
Anyone can remix audio/video

Why not check with ICAO how such accident findings are conducted.

Ask yourself ... why are the Ukrainian holding backing on the ATC records ??
Why are NATO and American refusing to provide concrete evidence with satellite data ??

Even NATO Sec Gen. Anders Fogh Rasmussen is nowhere to be found or heard! He used to pound his chest on everything and every time, but seemingly quite on this matter!

It seems the Russian ain't holding back.
HAndersen

Denmark

#11 Jul 23, 2014
typo error ... "Seemingly Quiet" it should be
HAndersen

Denmark

#12 Jul 23, 2014
@ Cheever

The Ukrainian indeed screwed up, BIG TIME!

Looks like the real fact is coming out, albeit slowly.

This must be the smoking gun everyone is looking for.

Bogus photos of ‘Russian’ air-defense systems in Ukraine debunked by bloggers

http://rt.com/news/174868-ukraine-buk-falsifi...
Rule Britannia

Mandaluyong City, Philippines

#13 Jul 23, 2014
HAndersen wrote:
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So, Mr. Hearsay King ... social media is a good source for evidence gathering ???
Anyone can remix audio/video
Why not check with ICAO how such accident findings are conducted.
Ask yourself ... why are the Ukrainian holding backing on the ATC records ??
Why are NATO and American refusing to provide concrete evidence with satellite data ??
Even NATO Sec Gen. Anders Fogh Rasmussen is nowhere to be found or heard! He used to pound his chest on everything and every time, but seemingly quite on this matter!
It seems the Russian ain't holding back.
Hearsay?? Its the article that YOU posted which quoted that it was based on tweets!

Mine was based on FACTS.

And the Black Boxes were not sent to Moscow, so "your" article is based on social media gossip and speculation based on a sacked ATC person.....

MY contentions are based on facts released minutes after they happened, not after 5 days of tampering!
HAndersen

Denmark

#14 Jul 24, 2014
Rule Britannia wrote:
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Hearsay?? Its the article that YOU posted which quoted that it was based on tweets!
Mine was based on FACTS.
And the Black Boxes were not sent to Moscow, so "your" article is based on social media gossip and speculation based on a sacked ATC person.....
MY contentions are based on facts released minutes after they happened, not after 5 days of tampering!
HEY, go back to sleep, else READ what was written.
Go back to those links and read what have been posted.

Your source of facts sucks! Youtube video was fabricated with verifiable time stamp. Same goes to the edited and remix audio!

Only a brainwashed fools believes in propaganda.
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"Fact" is ... the earth is square, the football is octagon, Argentina won WC 2014. Any disagreement to that ??
HAndersen

Denmark

#15 Jul 25, 2014
Watch and determine for yourself whether this is a better approach or finger pointing without substantiated evidences to solve a crime is the way to go ???

The screw is being tighten. While waiting for the Ukrainian and American to cook theirs, these black boxes may provide some interesting clues to what actually transpired before the plane disintegrated.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28469816

Russia:'Unacceptable to blame anyone for MH17 crash'

24 July 2014 Last updated at 16:52 BST

The Russian Ambassador to the UK, Alexander Yakovenko, has said it was ''unacceptable to blame anybody'' for the Malaysia Airlines plane crash.

He accused the media of ''making its own conclusions without the facts'' and said the result of an investigation had to be known first.

Pro-Russian rebels have been widely accused of shooting down the plane, killing all 298 people on board.

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